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ALMOST ...... ..... and i don't care if we win or lose against the Fish or if DA goes 19 - 20 for 300 yards ... 3 TD's and no picks ... and the reason BQ should start the week after the bye has NOTHING TO DO WITH NEXT YEAR ... he gives us the BEST CHANCE TO WIN THIS YEAR .... the fact were getting him over some of his "rookie mistakes" and ready for next year is just an added bonus ...
your prolly saying .... this idiot Diam is at it again ... he needs yo get over his man crush on BQ .... well heres why i believe it will happen regardless of what happens this weekend ... and this all pertains to this year ... and it has nuttin to do with my percieved man crush on BQ ....
here's the why .....
1. BQ is ready NOW .... hes a REAL SMART kid and an extremely hard worker ... there is NO WAY he hasn't absorbed the ENTIRE PLAYBOOK by now ... NO WAY ....
He has now had his 3 or 4 weeks in TC and 4 weeks in the regular season .. and for the last month he has been taking some reps with the 1st team ... and my guess would be hes staying late after practice and throwing with some of the first team recievers ..
When we traded Frye there were many many reasons for it ... and IMO one of them was that Opie and RAC knew BQ was progressing at a very very fast rate ... and felt comftorable with him starting sooner as opposed to later ..
BQ being ready was always my #1 REQUIRMENT for BQ playing ... and I would be stunned if hes not ready NOW ....
2. The Bye week gives him TWO WEEKS to work EXCLUSIVELY with the #1's .... it makes it the PERFECT TIME to do it ...
3. he gives us a better chance to win now than DA does ... BQ will make his rookie mistakes there is no doubt about it ... but he still gives us the best chance to win ...
Rookies have trouble adjusting to the speed of the game and making the right decisions ... well DA STINKS at those two things ... he has no clue how to read a D post snap and seems to make up his mind 90% of the time PRE SNAP ...
BQ will more than likely not be as good Pre Snap right out of the gate but will be WAY BETTER POST SNAP right out of the gate ... WAY BETTER ....
Will BQ throw to the wrong places and into double coverage sometimes?? ABSOLUTELY ... but he wont do it anymore (and more than likely less) than DA does now .. and more importantly he will LEARN FROM IT ...
B. he is way more accurate than DA .. and thats HUGE for today ....
C. The coaching staff and players know how many yards and points were leaving on the field that would not be left there with BQ ... they know guys .. they see it on the field and in the film room ...
then they see BQ on the practice field and they know he would make mistakes and hurt us at times ... but they also know he would make more plays than DA and not leave near the yards and points on the field ...
they know BQ would throw to the wrong WR sometimes .. but they also know he would throw to the RIGHT ONE alot more than DA does ...
the TIME IS RIGHT for BQ the week after the bye .. and its right no matter what happens this week ... I hope the football folks are seeing what I believe thay are and pull the trigger ...
If not, U won't hear a word from me about it ... as I said before if he sits all year U wont hear a word from me ... i wouldn't agree with it .. but i trust Opie and RAC .. there BOTH doing alot more things right than wrong .. and since our return this is the first time i can say that ..
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thats exactly the type of short sighted thinking that has plagued this franchise since it has been reborn.
How do you know he is ready? Are RAC's personal assistant or something? Do you have knowledge the rest of us don't? Just wondering.
Personally, I don't really have an opinion either way. I can't see him getting playing time as a bad thing.
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If Anderson looked as bad as Frye did the first game against that one team. Yes i would agree but Anderson has shown some shine and no one wants to give him a chance over Quinn...when he has just as much potential.
The last of our worries should be when we will play Quinn or not. Please.
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Fine with me if this game is DA's last start and then the team becomes BQ's. I think Brady is ready and can do well enough not to loose us anymore games than Anderson would, and as you said, Brady will learn from it. That said, I don't know if Crennel will make the switch. Maybe he'll wait until we're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs (maybe we won't be  ).
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when he has just as much potential.
DA has just as much potential as Quinn???
DA has been serviceable at best... Quinn has way more talent and intelligence than DA does.
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I say bring him on. We certainly won't be any worse than we are now and we'll most likely be better. If the line sucked I would want him to sit so he doesn't get hurt. But, they are protecting Anderson and they will also protect Quinn.
Let's see what we've got with BQ at QB. We know what we have with DA.
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The teams we have played are a combined 15-8. We have played the Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, Benglas and Raiders. The only one of those teams without a good defense is obviously Cincinnati.
That being said, Derek Anderson is 6th in the league in passing yards at this point. Edwards is having a breakout season and Winslow catches almost everything thrown his way. Anderson makes way too many mistakes and his INT's are a big problem.
Even with those problems that Anderson has, it is going to be hard to take Anderson out and put Quinn in after the bye week. Why? Well, where did we rank offensively last year... Somewhere at the bottom, I know that...
This year we are 6th in total yardage and 7th in scoring offense. I don't see how Romeo can take Anderson out and put Quinn in if our offense continues to play as it has.
I am still on the fence when it comes to this whole situation. I wouldn't mind seeing Quinn in there against Miami because much of what you said is spot on and the truth. Even knowing that, don't be surprised if Anderson remains the starter indefinitely.
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thats exactly the type of short sighted thinking that has plagued this franchise since it has been reborn.
Ya, ... thats been our problem .... *LOL* ...
and I'm known as Mr. Short Sighted around here ... that and how congeinial I am to all posters ... 
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Holy cow............I agree Diam. What you said is what I would say in a nutshell.
Also to Jay......he said BQ if BQ is ready. I totally agree.
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Got ya thinking.  And I agree as I said earlier today. There is no real not to play him unless there is a reason....and I don't think that is the case.
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Stats mean nothing to me...
It doesn't show the overthrows... I have seen more blown coverages by defenses this year against us than ever.
I see Anderson throw the ball right to defenses and them drop it, that also doesn't show up in the stats.
Bring in Quinn, I will say it until it actually happens unless Anderson starts playing consistently good and stops screwing up our offense.
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You guys might be right and probably are, I am just giving you the other side of the argument, if in fact Anderson is our QB for the rest of the year.
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when he has just as much potential.
DA has just as much potential as Quinn???
DA has been serviceable at best... Quinn has way more talent and intelligence than DA does.
LOL god i hope not...or else we just wasted our next years first round on another DA
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I don't see how Romeo can take Anderson out and put Quinn in if our offense continues to play as it has..
Yup. I hear that. If he has a bad game against Miami it makes bringing in BQ all that much easier.
Diam says 'swap them out even if DA has a great game' but I just don't think they'd tinker with something that's working.
Me personally, I've seen enough of DA to know what he does and can do.
He can throw the ball hard and fast.
He does not have great touch for the pass to the back in the flat or the fade route in the end zone.
He scrambles a little better than Bernie Kosar.
He can make some nice throws.
He can throw 3 to 5 yards behind a receiver.
He has a pretty good 'feel' for when the ball should be coming out but usually doesn't get antsey in the pocket.
He's improving his 'panic mode' play. When things didn't go as planned he used to 'spaz out' completely. Experience is allowing him not to get so flustered and he actually kept his head about him to option the ball to Josh Cribbs this past Sunday.
He locks onto his receiver at times and will throw that damned thing in there even if he's gotta throw it straight through 3 defender's stomaches. (I think his subconcious just blocks out the enemy and all he can see is his target)
We saw some stuff from Brady Quinn in preseason. BUT, it's only preseason and mostly it was 'late in the game' preseason.
In BQ we saw some touch on his passes.
We saw that he too can throw fairly hard when he needs to.
If the braintrust thinks BQ is ready to come in there after the bye week...well, I'm anxious to see him and what he can bring to the table. He's a first round pick. There's a lot we expect from a 1st rounder. I'm hoping that he makes the Dolphins' drafting group go down in history for the stupidity of not taking him.
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Dang, here goes that Diam Guy again,,,,LOL Had to do it! Quote:
1. BQ is ready NOW .... hes a REAL SMART kid and an extremely hard worker ... there is NO WAY he hasn't absorbed the ENTIRE PLAYBOOK by now ... NO WAY ....
I know you think that, but who's in a better position to know it,,, You or RAC? And who should know more about football,,,,,, You or RAC! Not saying you aren't right, but from the outside looking in, I'm going with RAC's judgement. If he puts him in after the Bye, then it would appear you were correct.... funny thing is, even if he doesn't put him in after the Bye, doesn't mean you were wrong,,
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. The Bye week gives him TWO WEEKS to work EXCLUSIVELY with the #1's .... it makes it the PERFECT TIME to do it ...
That makes sense to me.. I mean if they think he's ready, this would be teh ideal time to put him to the test.
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. he gives us a better chance to win now than DA does
Your assuming a lot.. again, you don't know it for sure.. I hope your right. I also believe that in the long run, Quinn may give us a best chance to win.
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B. he is way more accurate than DA .. and thats HUGE for today ....
In college, yeah, in the Pros, who knows. he hasn't seen the likes of Teddy Bruschi coming at him yet. I'm sure he can handle it,, if not right away, in time... but to state that he is more accurate than DA,, again, I think that's an assumption on your part.....
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C. The coaching staff and players know how many yards and points were leaving on the field that would not be left there with BQ ...
Again, I'm sure they know how many yards and points we're leaving on the field, but I'm not sure they are sitting there thinking it would ABSOLUTLY be better with Quinn RIGHT NOW.... They may feel as if he's the answer in the long run.
Truth is, they (the coaches and players) are probably just as anxious to get Quinn in the game as you and I and a ton of other fans are.. can't say I blame them,, I'm thinking he's the guy we need.. I'm hopeing so..
Having said all of that, I have no problem with him coming in after the Bye,,,none whatsoever.
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Good for you. Luckily, stats do mean something to most of us who understand what they can and cannot tell us about a particular situation. Here are a few relevant stats you may wish to re-consider your stance on:
1) WIN/LOSS: Playing a rookie QB with no NFL starts on a team where the offense hasn't worked in 8 years but is just beginning to show signs of gelling is about as short-sighed as you can get. After getting used to a QB who can make some throws that haven't been made here in 5 years, learning a completely new playbook in one off-season, and playing with an almost completely new offensive line, you're ready for more change? There's absolutely no reason to put Quinn in until things are working around him. For reference, see almost every rookie QB who has ever started in this league. Yes, there are exceptions, but stats mean nothing to you, so I digress.
2) TOUCHDOWNS: Another stat which may be meaningless to you, but for the first time in a long time, we're scoring TDs and generally, you need to score points to win games (again, I realize you'd have to embrace statistics to understand that concept). You may have forgotten the games last year where we'd score no offensive TDs for weeks and months at a time (again, a stat or way of measuring the passage of time, but I won't bother bringing it to you attention). We're averaging over 20 points a game, almost 3 TDs a game, and doing so against some not-so-shabby defenses (which, yes, would be measured statistically, both in terms of Win/Loss, points for, points against, etc.).
3) SACKS: Our sacks allowed totals have decreased dramatically this year for what feels like the first time in our entire history. Again, sacks are a stat that is meaningless to you, but what this says to many of us is that our line is improving as is our QBs ability to get rid of the ball. The run blocking is also improving, but until we get that fine-tuned and get the running game working like it should and making the QBs job easier, there's no reason to throw a rookie QB in there to mess with their timing, their growing comfort level, and their mental game. No reason whatsoever we can't wait 4 or even 8 more games (sorry -- another stat).
I'm a huge Quinn supporter.
I can't wait to see him in the position.
But there's no reason for him to see the field right now when it may impede his development, or the development of those around him.
Luckily, the front office seems to agree.
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Even with those problems that Anderson has, it is going to be hard to take Anderson out and put Quinn in after the bye week. Why? Well, where did we rank offensively last year... Somewhere at the bottom, I know that...
Whats that got to do with the price of tea in China?? If this is the best reason u have to leave DA in ... your in deep trouble .. *L*
this isn't last years O ... not even close ... if this was last years O, I wouldn't want BQ in for his own safety ....
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This year we are 6th in total yardage and 7th in scoring offense. I don't see how Romeo can take Anderson out and put Quinn in if our offense continues to play as it has.
its an easy decision if he feels that if BQ led the O it would out produce the O if it was led by DA ....
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1. how well is DA actually playing and how close is he coming to maximizing whats being given to him ...
2. will BQ be able to get more out of what is being presented ont he field ....
its not like DA is even playing good much less lights out ...
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when he has just as much potential.
DA has just as much potential as Quinn???
DA has been serviceable at best... Quinn has way more talent and intelligence than DA does.
Agreed.
Those who think DA is the answer are off IMO. DA will be a great back up for us but Quinn is the guy. The offensive line has been great. Winslow and Edwards have been uncover-able. If there's a time to break in a young QB it's now.
DA has been a great short term solution but a guy that can't read a defense, can't go through his progressions and can't consistently make good decisions won't last. I'm not trying to trash DA because I think he's done an admirable job but he doesn't have what BQ does. I commend him for holding down the fort and giving Brady time to get reps but BQ's time is right around the corner. My guess is week 8 against St. Louis.
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1) WIN/LOSS: Playing a rookie QB with no NFL starts on a team where the offense hasn't worked in 8 years but is just beginning to show signs of gelling is about as short-sighed as you can get. After getting used to a QB who can make some throws that haven't been made here in 5 years, learning a completely new playbook in one off-season, and playing with an almost completely new offensive line, you're ready for more change? There's absolutely no reason to put Quinn in until things are working around him. For reference, see almost every rookie QB who has ever started in this league. Yes, there are exceptions, but stats mean nothing to you, so I digress.
Steelers 15-1 with a rookie QB starting most of the year... Also, how good are those stats... Rookie QB's usually start on terrible teams... Congratulations a rookie QB can't turn around an overall bad team... I really doubt most of the QB's come into this league with a VERY GOOD (yes I said it) offensive line. A top 5 receiver *STATISTICALLY LOL!!!!* and a top 5 tight end *STATISTICALLY!!!!!* and a top 10 running back as well.
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2) TOUCHDOWNS: Another stat which may be meaningless to you, but for the first time in a long time, we're scoring TDs and generally, you need to score points to win games (again, I realize you'd have to embrace statistics to understand that concept). You may have forgotten the games last year where we'd score no offensive TDs for weeks and months at a time (again, a stat or way of measuring the passage of time, but I won't bother bringing it to you attention). We're averaging over 20 points a game, almost 3 TDs a game, and doing so against some not-so-shabby defenses (which, yes, would be measured statistically, both in terms of Win/Loss, points for, points against, etc.).
Interceptions! Yay I love my drive killers!!! Guess who has 8 drive killers (Second in the league, most in the AFC) Yep, Derek Anderson!
Once again, shows how inconsistent Derek Anderson is!
52.2% completion Percentage, one of the lowest in the league!!! There you go... I guess that shows a bit of his overthrows.
Where is the defensive dropped interception stat? I love that stat... Wait never mind, they don't have it... So many times he almost threw another drive killer, but because they don't have a *Stat* for it, then it is irrelevant.
Do they have a stat for him putting us behind with stupid decisions in the first half in two games? Good thing for us, we got two garbage passing touchdowns that meant jack squat on Sunday... Take your *Stats* and run with them, they mean absolutely nothing to me... I'll use what I see to judge a QB, not some numbers on a piece of paper.
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So the line can block for Anderson, but not for Quinn??? Or are you saying that our line is improved, so we SHOULDN'T put our rookie QB in? I always thought it was the other way around, but I don't know I guess... I mean players aren't payed enough that they can't handle it mentally if a better player (in my opinion) gets put in at QB... That would be devastating.
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I give up.
I'm a huge Quinn supporter.
I can't wait to see him in the position.
But there's no reason for him to see the field right now when it may impede his development, or the development of those around him.
Luckily, the front office seems to agree.
Do you have proof that if Quinn gets put in, it would impede his development or the development of the players around him? I can't say that Quinn will come in and tear it up, because I don't know... I just know that what I've seen from Anderson and based on how inconsistent he is, I don't want to get the terrible DA again against a team that sucks and lose another game... I've been a huge Quinn supporter since 2005.
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DA is playing well....but it has to be viewed in the context of back-up.
That should make us happy.......but....time for BQ to take over and start his run.....be it 3 years(I hope not) or 15.
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its not like DA is even playing good much less lights out ...
He's the first QB we've had in about 25 years to average 3 TDs and 200+ yards a game. By Cleveland standards, he's playing exceptionally well. With our defense giving up 30 points a game, there's no advantage to replacing that production with a rookie and asking him to score 50 points a game to win for us.
Anderson's biggest problem, yes, has been the interceptions but how long do you realistically expect it's going to take BQ to figure that out when every rookie QB struggles with that very aspect of the game the most?
At this point in time, if turnovers/interceptions is your biggest beef, replacing the two would make no difference. If it makes no difference, than why not wait a few more weeks until the other aspects of the team -- like run blocking, pass protection, team identity -- have solidified.
Stepping into a fully-functional team is a much different prospect than stepping into an offense that is still trying to figure out how to operate. Ask Ben Rothelisberger how that one works.
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like run blocking, pass protection, team identity -- have solidified.
BB....how much more do you think the blocking can "solidify"?
I am just asking....I don't know how much more we can expect to be honest.
As for identity..I don't know if we can get that until Quinn finally takes the helm.
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I think anytime now is fine to put Quinn in, the hard part is over. Everyone talks of DA like he's some kind of vet.. He has 7 starts. That to me don't qualify as a reason to keep BQ on the bench learning from an inferior player.. Let's see what BQ can do. Lord knows we paid enough for him
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I agree.
DA bought some time and gained some good experience that will will help him as our back-up.
Now it is time to find out if Quinn is the player we all hope.
It is going to take him a while, so we need to get the process going so next year he can contribute at least 85% of what he is eventually going to become.
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STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!! ... so dotn bother with me ... cause you'll get your ass handed to u with a combo of FOOTBALL and STATS .... like what Winslow/Bodden just posted about Int's/ Dropped Int's and comp % ... and add to that missing WIDE OPEN RECIEVERS either because hes innacurrate or just doesn't see them ... Quote:
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actually all he'd need is 31 points a game .. and MAYBE just MAYBE the D wouldn't give up 30 points a game if Da wasn't throwing pics and giving them short fields to work with .... OR if he'd hit WIDE OPEN recievers and keep drives alive ... OR if he throw to wide open recievers instead of into double and triple coverage ...
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I could care less for a MULTITUDE of reasons ...
1. he wont' throw more than DA is ...
2. its problem 1A ... then theres 1B .. the INNACURACY and missing recievers CONSISTENTLY to the tune of 4 or 5 a game .... then theres 1C ... throwing into double and triple coverage and NOT THROWING TO GUYS THAT MUST BE OPEN ...
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Dude .. our pass blocking has exceeded my wildest expectations .. how u can be concerned with this is beyond me ...
our run blocking needs work .. but its WELL BEYOND what it needs to be to let BQ play ...
U have no leg to stand on here ... this makes no sense to me ..
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I would have been preparing BQ for Miami for the last month and a half. Two reasons: 1. BQ has had ample time to digest the playbook by week 6 and could scheme the Dolphins week to week to give him the best chance for success. 2. During the BYE week BQ and the team would have extra time for evaluation and teaching. He'd also have extra time for the Rams game.But what do I know?!? 
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I was thinking the same thing after seeing the highlights...didn't see the game out of town. The frustrating thing about Anderson is what makes him good ...quick decisions quick throws also makes him a problem... doesn't think just throws and misses important keys. Other teams can figure him out just like Holclomb and then we will be scoring and losing.
Quinn has a talent for making plays work and anticipating his reciever. I think the big problem now is getting the student into the drivers seat. Watching is not playing. I also think now is a much better time to introduce a new QB. Before we had major problems where even Dilfer or Garcia couldn't complete passes. Now we are much improved with much more Oline depth...more WR potential and WInslow who never quits and can make plays...Lewis is also a very important part of our success and should be used more for runs and passes along with Wright.
Quinn has talent that is not just natrual but learned from Weis...look at Notre Dame now. We can really use a talented leader that can make plays and make our recievers/RBs look better. We don't need a new QB that will not konw what to do and lose his confidence. Crennel usually doesn't use rookies for that reason...unless he is out of players like Wright. We really don't have to use Quinn now but maybe if we have a lead we can let him play.
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Diam I already owned him with his stat talk
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I have seen enough of Anderson to understand that a leopard will not change his spots overnight, and a can of spray paint wont work either.
The 52 percent pass completion percentage bothers me. An average NFL QB should be around 58, a good nfl QB is around 63.
Those account for 2 to 4 completions per game.
The OL is solid. I am less worried about this element of the game, and throwing him behind an inferior line.
The Browns do not have Dereks ego to worry about, he fully understands his caretaker situation.
I have no issues about starting Quinn.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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Right now DA has thrown 11 TD's through 5 games. We haven't had a QB throw for more than that since Couch in 2002. Holcomb threw for 10 in 2003. Garcia for 10 in 2004. Dilfer threw 11 in 2005. Frye threw 10 in 2006.
DA is also on pace to throw for more than 3,000 yards for the first time since Couch as well. He currently has a higher passer rating of 80.5. Holcombs 4 games in 2002 was the only QB rating that was higher than DA's.
The point is that even though Anderson has his flaws, he has not shown that he needs to be taken out of the starting QB position. He was a 6th round pick, he's only 24 years old, and this is just his 3rd year in the league. I will go with the decision of the coaching staff.
Unless Anderson really starts struggling or is injured, I see no point in putting Quinn in yet unless it is later in the season and we are out of playoff contention. As far as I am concerned Quinn is a rookie QB who has to earn his starting job.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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All I know is that if Anderson goes out and looks good against the Fish in a Browns win, I'll be SHOCKED....no STUNNED.....no, no....FLOORED..... if Crennel makes a switch at QB when our team is 3-3.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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A game under his belt... a weak defense... home crowd.... bye week (a week to evaluate)... 1+1+1+1 will always = 4. No trigonometry required.....
The time to start Quinn is NOW!
* = Cleveland's WINNING teams. Same faces, different uniform, different city.....Championship.
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All I know is that if Anderson goes out and looks good against the Fish in a Browns win, I'll be SHOCKED....no STUNNED.....no, no....FLOORED..... if Crennel makes a switch at QB when our team is 3-3.
yeah, but he's gotta be feeling the heat. This so different then timmah's situation, we have a legit line and some good O players.
I'd love to see him play, I do agree Romeo won't pull anderson until he does a chuck frye meltdown.
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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Let me get this right, in the pre season Anderson was a piece of crap that many wanted to be released or traded. Now all of a sudden he is a Pro Bowler? I don't believe in sitting your best player at any position and Quinn is the best QB we have on our roster. Next here we sit again with a QB controversy which has become the norm on this team. It's time to end it and move on to the next level. Quinn is the starter for this team, he is the leader, and he is the franchise and putting the inevitable off any longer will only serve to putting off our first Super Bowl appearance.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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I've been saying for a couple of weeks now that if the guy playing the position is playing like a rookie than it's time to start the actual rookie.
That said I don't see them making the change if we are winning. I would love to see it but I am not going to expect it.
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That said I don't see them making the change if we are winning. I would love to see it but I am not going to expect it.
That is where you are right but the fact is we are not winning. We are 2-3 and break even at 2-2 with Anderson starting, and I don't call either one of those records winning. I hope your not counting the Fins as a sure win because they will win a few. 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Right now DA has thrown 11 TD's through 5 games. We haven't had a QB throw for more than that since Couch in 2002. Holcomb threw for 10 in 2003. Garcia for 10 in 2004. Dilfer threw 11 in 2005. Frye threw 10 in 2006.
DA is also on pace to throw for more than 3,000 yards for the first time since Couch as well. He currently has a higher passer rating of 80.5. Holcombs 4 games in 2002 was the only QB rating that was higher than DA's.
The point is that even though Anderson has his flaws, he has not shown that he needs to be taken out of the starting QB position. He was a 6th round pick, he's only 24 years old, and this is just his 3rd year in the league. I will go with the decision of the coaching staff.
Unless Anderson really starts struggling or is injured, I see no point in putting Quinn in yet unless it is later in the season and we are out of playoff contention. As far as I am concerned Quinn is a rookie QB who has to earn his starting job.
Can you really use Cleveland quarterbacks as a benchmark for the performance you're looking for? We can't compare DA to what we've had in the past and pretend that it makes him legitimate, because we've been miserable. I said the exact same thing about Reuben when he rushed for 1,000 yards on only 4.0 YPC and look where he is now. Just because you beat out at team's previous horrendous players doesn't make you good in your own right.
Also, for all the stats you're tossing out there, let me throw in a few of my own.
- DA ranks 32nd in the NFL in completion percentage at 52.2%
- DA ranks 31st in the league in interceptions thrown with 8
- The above stat isn't just because of the large amount of attempts. His interception/pass % is 28th in the NFL at 5.0%
- DA ranks 20th in the league in QB rating with 80.5
So what does DA actually do right? He throws down the field. The only reason his QB rating is even close to salvageable is because of the amount of bombs he throws, several of which have gone for TDs. However, that being said: he is one of the most inaccurate and turnover prone QBs in the league.
People have tried to write it off as rookie jitters or lack of experience, but he has been this way his entire career. Here's some word-for-word negatives listed in a scouting report when he came out back in 2005:
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Decision making skills improved as a senior but still inconsistent and need to be improved. Needs to better protect the football. He forces too many throws into coverage. Trusts his arm too much at times. Is streaky and can be erratic. Will fit the ball into a tight spot on one throw and then completely miss the strike zone on the next. Is smooth and athletic for his size, but lacks speed and is not a big threat to run. Pocket presence is below average. Doesn't feel the rush coming as quickly as he should and that may be an instinctive thing that never improves. Has been very durable but still takes too many big hits and hasn't learned to protect his body.
Sound familiar? That's because he's the EXACT same player he was in college - the same player who put up a NFL equivalent QB rating of 78.0... in college.
We know what we're getting with him - some decent passing numbers in garbage time after he kills us with early turnovers along with a ton of poor throws, bad reads and incomprehensibly awful decisions. Are you alright with that?
If Brady isn't ready, he stays on the bench. If he is ready, he needs to go in NOW. There's no point grooming a future backup when your future starter is chomping at the bit for his turn to light the league on fire.
If Brady is ready, he helps us win both now and in the future. I'll take that over the human turnover machine any day.
We're... we're good?
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How quickly....and easily.....we drift away from reality and digress down the grapevine just to have an angle to support one opinion or the other.
Let's deal with the facts here for a second.
Fact #1: We're 2-3.
Fact #2: The Dolphins will be starting Cleo Lemon (what, is this a QB or a fortune teller?!  ), in Cleveland, having just lost a game where their only viable QB was just concussed (yeah, is that even a word?) into retirement, on a last-second 57-yard field goal. They rank near the bottom of most defensive categories. And oh yeah, they are winless.
Fact #3: Derek "I can throw it a mile but can't hit the broad side of a barn...wait...what's a barn?" Anderson will be making the start.
Now, are the Browns guaranteed of winning this game? Hell no we're not! We're the Browns But as hard as this will be for many to believe, the Browns are going to be favorites, and not just by that worn-out 3-point bit that used to be the standard advantage for home teams. We're probably going to be a 5-point favorite *L* (At least that's the line that I'd set, if my experience is actually worth anything).
So if there's a team that's more likely to win a game, it's us, not the Fish.
Ok, that's enough facts. Let's move to speculation and probabilities.
You (not you Corpus. You as in whomever is reading this) are Romeo Crennel. You're favored to be 3-3 for the first time in your embattled tenure as the teams HC. All the Neosporin and aloe-vera on the planet can't heal the burns inflicted from spending so much time on the hotseat. You know that you're just a game back of 2nd place in the division, and very-much alive for a wildcard spot. You also know that the team you're trailing has to play the following teams over the last 9 games of the season:
Steelers
Bengals
Browns
Chargers
Pats
Colts
Dolphins
Seahawks
Steelers
Last but not least, here's YOUR schedule over the last half of the season:
Steelers
Rats
Texans
Cards
Jets
Bills
Bengals
Niners
Not exactly a brutal schedule to close the year 
Now if you're RAC, are you REALLY going to hand the reigns over to a rookie who's missed a bunch of camp?
Hey, I don't care for Derek Anderson. Brady Quinn is the future. But let's get real here for a moment. Does anyone actually believe that RAC is going to put the fate of this team in the hands of a rookie if we're 3-3 and 2-1 within our own division?
If we win the game against the depleted/sorry Fish (which is a BIG if, by the way) and Anderson doesn't look like a complete stiff, there's no way in Hell that Quinn is the starter after the bye week. As hard as I am on RAC, and believe me when I say he deserves ALL of the negativity from the media and fans, I'd think he's even MORE of an incompetent if he benches Anderson for Quinn while we're still alive for a wild-card birth.
If you believe that RAC would go that route, or that Opie would push for Quinn while we're .500 and facing THAT schedule down the stretch, you're
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Toad, I very seldom disagree with your logic or knowledge of the game but I would like to offer another scenario.
Consider everything you stated as fact being included in this theory; RAC has to evaluate who gives you the best chance to reach that wild card. So, let's be RAC's devils advocate for a moment;
DA has earned the right to continue, until Quinn can step in.
DA makes a lot of GOOD plays but he is also one of if not the weakest link on this offense.
BE, KW2, and Lewis are all trying to have breakout (or comeback) years. As in the game last week you (RAC) can plainly see the disgust in their eyes when they are in the right place and the ball thrown is ten feet in front or behind them. Lewis bust his butt to establish a run game so we can air out a few deep balls, but instead of making this easier, your star WR and TE have to sacrifice their bodies on almost every catch because your QB either throws to them in triple coverage or makes them layout on every other pass to have a chance at a catch.
These plays make for great highlight clips but double the chance for injury to star players. These same players know that a BETTER QB is on the bench.
DA has some great stats this year. I take nothing from him for improvement.
DA will never have them same skill set Quinn has... never.
So, is it better for the team as a whole to start the rookie, when everyone on the team KNOWS he is the better QB or do you stick with the guy WHO is getting it done SOME of the time?
IMHO, it's a no brainer... start the rookie. Watch this team come to life.
The only GOOD reason to keep DA in the line up is to build trade value. IF DA can put up record numbers, or impressive CONSISTANT numbers, then and only then is it wise. There are a couple teams who are desperate for QB's and we could recoup some picks. Other than that... BQ is the Future and the Future is NOW.
I think DA has served us well and deserve props for his performances. That said, we are 2-3 which is NOT a winning record. I'd start Quinn this week against the fish.
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On another note: My heart was in my throat Sunday when I saw BQ put his helmet on... for a moment I saw us coming back and upsetting the Pats. I swallowed hard and my heart sunk when DA came to the sideline and started tossing the ball back and forth with BQ. I doubt that I was the only one who felt this way... I am ready to see BQ.
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your prolly saying .... this idiot Diam is at it again ... he needs yo get over his man crush on BQ
Are you that cop from Hero's
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