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I also want to see Quinn but I agree with Toad....if Anderson doesnt play horrible, he will remain the starter after the bye

if we lose and DA plays bad....yep, then theres a good chance we´ll see Brady against the Rams

The Fish have 1 if not the worst secondary (they are starting CB Lehan and Worrell at S...)....if Anderson doesnt play good against this D he´s toast

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All I know is that if Anderson goes out and looks good against the Fish in a Browns win, I'll be SHOCKED....no STUNNED.....no, no....FLOORED..... if Crennel makes a switch at QB when our team is 3-3.

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So would I

No doubt I concur...

Quinn's READY...He was READY the day we made him the #2...One play away MAKES u ready...

Anderson's KILLIN' us with the BS throws he's making...And it's constantly...

It's demoralizing to the team...Demoralizing to the receivers...It's not a good sight when u see your receivers throwin' their arms in the air as to say "WTF WAS THAT"...

Anderson's made just enuff good throws to keep us alive...He's made MORE throws to KILL us...

Oakland AND NE are very much on his shoulders...He's a HUGE reason we lost both games...I don't care that he drove us into position for a game winner in Oakland...IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE...

Quinn's ready and he won't be replacing any Seasoned Vet...

I'm wishing for Anderson to faint. Not get hit, nothing wrong with him, but just faint. Because of the new rule about losing conscienseness, he has to come out. Brady goes in, we win, keep winning, and all it right with the world.

Andersen with a Stomach Flu Sunday morning?

I'm ready for it. I thank DA for stepping in against the Steelers and solidifying the position for this first stretch of the schedule, while BQ got acclaimated to the league, but it's obvious that his shortfalls are holding this offense back:

- VERY inaccurate.
- Tunnel vision results in his looking "through" defenders, not seeing them even when he throws it right at them.
- Stupid mental errors after the snap... missing open receivers and throwing into 2x or 3x coverage.

I have a hard time believing BQ will do any worse. Smart kid with a good arm (power and accuracy). Once he's proven he can run this offense better in practice, the players will know it... and if there's one thing RAC has shown, it's that he plays the players that give them the best chance to win... it's why he has his teams' respect. Right now, this could be the case, which is why you sometimes see frustration from our other offensive players. Win or lose this game, I hope BQ sees the field against the Rams.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see BQ come off the bench against the Fish if we're down in the 2nd half.

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Fact #2: The Dolphins will be starting Cleo Lemon (what, is this a QB or a fortune teller?! )

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It's a fortune teller who's car won't start.

well i'll tell you what....if we are planning to play quinn this year, and he's ready, then i say you start him now...

we've got miami at home...i think we can stack the box slow there running game enough where they will have to rely on there backup qb to throw it...

in other words take brown and chambers out of the game and they have no offense...

home-field vs an average defense...

and heres the kicker....if quinn comes in and plays well it will completely demoralize miami cause they could have had quinn playing instead of lemon...

quinn then gets 2 weeks to learn and correct mistakes, and were on our way...now is as good as after the bye...

the only thing that bothers me is the status of lewis.....i'd rather have him in there instead of wright for quinns first start...wright did ok vs the pats but lewis is better....

i can understand stupid throws when your running for your life....but anderson has had time and he's made stupid throws....

this game makes me nervous...i think the only way we lose though is if we lose the turnover battle....anderson is the extreme of hot and cold....we need some consistancy from the qb position and i daresay we could have been 3-2 right now...and i'm reaching but we could have beat the pats....24 points on turnovers makes me sick...

your prolly saying .... this idiot Diam is at it again
U said it not me
But in the back of your mind you're already calling us idiots..U know if ya say it you'll get a unsportsmanlike flag and get run


1. BQ is ready NOW .... hes a REAL SMART kid and an extremely hard worker ... there is NO WAY he hasn't absorbed the ENTIRE PLAYBOOK by now ... NO WAY ....

He just might be but I'm not looking at it from a personal view but what I think Rac might be thinking ...

When we traded Frye there were many many reasons for it ... and IMO one of them was that Opie and RAC knew BQ was progressing at a very very fast rate ... and felt comftorable with him starting sooner as opposed to later ..


What the?
U mean this has nothing to do with Rac being UNABLE to make a decision and wanting to keep Frye as the starter against the wishes of Opie?





The Bye week gives him TWO WEEKS to work EXCLUSIVELY with the #1's .... it makes it the PERFECT TIME to do it ...

it does in our book but Rac 's book is printed differently..

Rookies have trouble adjusting to the speed of the game and making the right decisions ... well DA STINKS at those two things ... he has no clue how to read a D post snap and seems to make up his mind 90% of the time PRE SNAP ...

BQ will more than likely not be as good Pre Snap right out of the gate but will be WAY BETTER POST SNAP right out of the gate ... WAY BETTER ....
Will BQ throw to the wrong places and into double coverage sometimes?? ABSOLUTELY ... but he wont do it anymore (and more than likely less) than DA does now .. and more importantly he will LEARN FROM IT ...
B. he is way more accurate than DA .. and thats HUGE for today ....

All true,.it's DA to a tee but here's how I think Rac thinks and I'll use one of his quotes...

The Browns point out that Anderson has 11 touchdowns and eight interceptions in four games, and that two of his interceptions against New England were tipped.
I got that from a article on the OBR...
What they don't point out is my 5 year old can read a book better than DA can read a coverage

"If he completes those balls, then we're not talking as much about his inconsistentcies"

Sooooo tell me..does this sound like a coach ready to insert the future ... perhaps buying time for the starter right now?

Or installing a lot of confidence in him REGARDLESS that DA REALLY is not a long term answer?

Now we can say Rac isn't going to throw DA under the bus..or give a hint about it but I instantly thought about what he said about Tucker coming back to take over the RT job again...
Here's his quote...also from the same article....

"There was speculation that Ryan Tucker would regain the job once he returned from his four-game suspension, but coach Romeo Crennel said the job is Shaffer's. "

"He just has to keep his job," Crennel said of Shaffer.
Kinda of a different TONE about Shaffer than he used on DA...

Here's my point made by the article...

But Tucker missed a month of practice, and the offensive line has played well in his absence

Sooooo if DA is playing (and I can't find a word to use adequately ,well we know he's hot/cold) ..if he's playing well enough to put up points and get some wins..I see them riding him for a while UNTIL HE COMPLETELY IMPLODES...so the offense will have to completely come to a grinding halt before they put Quinn in..

Now before U try to do a shot to the helmet on me (which I'll have to illegally crackback on ya)..think about what I'm saying..I trying to read Rac as I always do so i can see WHY he reacts the way he does..

From what I've seen he will ride a player until the guy self destructs or blatantly hurts the team..or is BEATEN out for the job...psst, we know Quin can beat out Anderson..so thats not a huge factor..

Rac's concern is not only winning some games this year but getting continuity and confidence within the team..

Now your point is that Quinn can do the things Anderson can't..I know this also but again I stress Rac is going to look at how the offense is producing points and moving up and down the field not the TO's or missed opportunities that we've seen..his comment kinda stressed that..

He thinks ( and I assuming this) that as long as the team is in a position to win he's not going to budge at a personnel change ..

With the schedule the way it is sure it would perfect time to put BQ in but I GET THIS FEELING it's not happening as we speak..now they could be ready to do it and just trying not to give DA's confidence a concussion ..but answer me this ..DO U think Rac will do it and or do u think they've(Phil/Rac) said they'll ride DA until they fall off the horse?

U can tell me whatever U want about my assessment but I am not thinking about what I would do, rather what Rac might be reasoning...

I agree with you, and the poster who said there's a big problem when open receivers are throwing up his arms in exasperation, because the QB missed an easy throw.

I commend Anderson for doing a decent job for us - and with that arm, sometimes he looked great. He'll be a solid enough backup, perhaps... but he's scares me whenever he drops back to pass.
BQ can do anything Anderson has done, only without the:
1. often horrible accuracy
2. interceptions
3. poor vision
4. immobility in the pocket. DA makes Dilfer look like Doug Flutie. BQ is more mobile than DA, I assume.

I say start him against the Dolphins and get things cookin'.

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I'm wishing for Anderson to faint. Not get hit, nothing wrong with him, but just faint. Because of the new rule about losing conscienseness, he has to come out. Brady goes in, we win, keep winning, and all it right with the world.

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What the heck is wrong with some of you,,, wishing ill on someone just because YOU WANT a different QB,,

The depths some of you drop too amazes and disgusts me!

miami sucks. If you are gonna start Quinn this is a very good week to do it especially with the bye coming up. I would have started him week 1 but I can atleast understand why he may not play this year. they want to give him the Carson Palmer treatment. I like Anderson i just dont think u can trust him at QB as anything other than a long term backup.

And that fact that some DON'T want the BPA amazes me.

Michelle,,, I can't believe you would take that stand.. Are you defending someone that wishes ill on a player just to get his guy in the game,,

Please tell me you are not that stupid!

Not to speak for michelle, but I didn't read it that way.

And another thing Michelle,,, Look at my posts,, you won't see me saying that I DON'T want Quinn in the game,,, In fact in this very thread, in response to Diam, I indicated clearly that I have no problem with Quinn whatsoever,, NONE..

So how do you figure I don't want the BPA,,, were did you get that.. Just because I don't want to wish ill on someone just so I can get my guy in the game,,,

To me,, that's idiotic! if I get thrown off this board for saying that it's stupid to wish someone ill,,, then so be it,.

Stop it.
Here daman, maybe this will make ya feel better:

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What the heck is wrong with some of you,,, wishing ill on someone just because YOU WANT a different QB,,

The depths some of you drop too amazes and disgusts me!

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I want the player that gives us the best chance to win... right now. So I can only hope that RAC is thinking the same thing and that as soon as he feels BQ is ready to go, he will put him in. He doesn't need a big explanation to anybody about our record or our playoff hopes or whether it means he's conceding the season... All he has to say (to satsify me at least) is that BQ is ready and gives us the best chance to win... I don't care if it comes after a game in which DA throws 4 TDs and no INTs....

There was a time, not too long ago, where I wanted to protect QBs from our OL... that time has come and gone... This OL is above average in pass protection

thanks Lampy,,, I needed that

There's been some excellent posts in this thread on this topic.....for both sides.


As much as I'd like to see BQ out there,....I have not seen him play in over 6 weeks and NEVER an NFL down,....that doesn't mean he can't come out and be an instant superstar either,.....but it's still a gamble,....a gamble that at this point and time the coaching staff may not be willing to take.

The team wants to win NOW,...and the team seems to be getting better and better each week.........WHY IN THE WORLD would a coach want disrupt all the positives this team is experiencing NOW.

GREED KILLS,......If DA is winning us games and he is pulled for BQ only because WE THINK that BQ can make us EVEN BETTER is ludicrous.

It has taken this franchise WAY TOO LONG to gain even this much respectability for us to GAMBLE it way because we got so GREEDY.

Let the cards fall where they may,.....If the offense plays well on Sunday AS A UNIT there is NO WAY we make personell changes at the bye.....we'll work with what's been working so far and continue to build on that.

If the team gets into a losing funk or DA gets injured,...then,..and only then will you see BQ take the field........JMHO

Pot meet kettle. At least I was joking. I'm not wishing ill on anyone. If something were to happen to Anderson, I not going to feel bad for joking about it. I said hopefully he faints, for crying out loud. I hope you look before you jump in real life, you could hurt yourself.

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Pot meet kettle.

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What the heck does that mean?

I think it means that you were disgusted by my comments, but didn't leave it at that. You had to stoop to name calling. I think. I guess in your world calling names before you know if your assumption is right is A-ok. I personally don't care what you call me, won't hurt my feelings at all. It helps convince people see your point though, if you don't act less than nice, like you assumed I did.

Yea, that's what she meant...

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All I know is that if Anderson goes out and looks good against the Fish in a Browns win, I'll be SHOCKED....no STUNNED.....no, no....FLOORED..... if Crennel makes a switch at QB when our team is 3-3.

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Toadie I've grown to tolerate U over the years .. so in the spirit of that and the fact I sure as heck don't wanna upset Daman and wish ill on U I need u to do me a favor ... can u please put some kind of foam or other 'cushiony" pading down at the places u frequent cause if RAC does make the change I'd hate to see u get hurt when u are FLOORED ....

No way to know if anything would have changed either way...could be better, could be worse.

I do think we are at the point we need to get Quinn the experience necessary so next year we don't have to grin and bear it when the rookie is playing.

If we are going to lose a game or two because of his inexperience, I would just as soon it be this year.....if that happens at all.

Next year, I don't want to hear people talking about patience.

Anyone know Brady Quinns Middle name? Kinda hoping it's Barry, Bobby, or Bill.


So we can nickname him BBQ.

i don't think he would have crushed the pats....but 2 less picks and we could have won that game....maybe not but who knows...

i guess the real question is did the pats blitz all game, and did we pick it up....if they answer is yes, then its entirely possible that a more accurate, smarter qb could have, not won, but managed to not hurt us...

this is of course based on quinn being ready....if he was capable of making the right calls, and running the plays then, yeah maybe we could have pulled it out....nobody crushes the pats....a win would have been good enough for me

that didn't happen with anderson....

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You had to stoop to name calling.

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Wooo there big fella,, I didn't call you or anyone else a name,,, I do however think your thinking on this subject is idiotic,,, but for all I know, your a genuis that had a momentary lapse in judgement!

You wanted DA to faint,,, and you wanted it so that Quinn would come in..

That to me is IDIOTIC thinking.. if you want to call that name calling,, ok with me. and if the refs want to throw me off this board for saying a particular line of thinking is stupid,,, Then I'll wear my banishment with pride!

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If we are going to lose a game or two because of his inexperience, I would just as soon it be this year.....if that happens at all.

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...If we're at .500 by the bye,...and looking at our remaining schedule,...why would we risk tanking 2 games THIS year to prepare for NEXT year when those 2 "sacrificial" games could mean a P/O birth or not.

I'm all for BQ 110%,...I don't think RAC will disrupt the chemistry if we have a shot at the post season,....and right now,....WE HAVE A SHOT.