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Now if you're RAC, are you REALLY going to hand the reigns over to a rookie who's missed a bunch of camp?
If i feel the rookie gives me a better chance to win??? ABSOLUTELY ..... why wouldn't U or him for that matter???
If u think BQ gives us the best chance to win I have no clue why u wouldn't make the change ... if u believe BQ gives us a better chance to win now the better question is why woukd'ntu make the change????
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But let's get real here for a moment. Does anyone actually believe that RAC is going to put the fate of this team in the hands of a rookie if we're 3-3 and 2-1 within our own division?
I asked the 2 KEY QUESTIONS in a previous post ....
1. is BQ ready?
2. Does BQ give us the best chance to win? ...
answer those ... then u have the answer ... if RC answers yes to both those question I can't see where he has any other choice .. its not like hes coming in for a QB thats making good decisions and throwing the ball accurately ...
u said "GET REAL" .. WELL LETS DO THAT FOR A SEC ...
is DA playing that well that he is irreplacable???
are we winning
A. BECAUSE of him
B. DESPITE of him
C. MORE despite of him than because of him ..
were not replacing a QB who is the reason were winning .. hes doing some good things .. but hes also doing ALOT MORE BAD THINGS .... and hes been VERY VERY FORTUNATE up till the NE game ...
AND hes making the same types of mistakes mentally that BQ would make except that BQ would improve onthem where its part of DA's MENTAL MAKE UP ... its who he is ..
AND BQ will never be nearly as innacurrate as DA and would MAKE MORE POSITIVE PLAYS than NEGATIVE PLAYS in comparision to DA ..
I can GAURANTEE U that the entire first goal line series would have been different on the 2 pass plays if BQ was in .....
1. he would have threw the fade route with air under it ...
2. he would have checked down to Wright and NEVER threw the ill fated pass into about 4 Pats even if he didn't ...
will BQ make mistakes and hurt at times??? ABSOLUTELY .... but its not like DA isnt KILLING us at times himself ..
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As hard as I am on RAC, and believe me when I say he deserves ALL of the negativity from the media and fans, I'd think he's even MORE of an incompetent if he benches Anderson for Quinn while we're still alive for a wild-card birth.
heres to hoping u need that padding and think RAC's even more incompetent than u do now .. (is that even possible .. *L* .. ) .. 
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If you believe that RAC would go that route, or that Opie would push for Quinn while we're .500 and facing THAT schedule down the stretch, you're 
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I understand what you are saying.
In the end, I don't think Quinn can play any worse than DA....and if he does, we need to know that going into next season.
DA is a FA at seasons end. I think we have to have a comfort with Quinn to better help us determine if and how much we offer DA.
I just don't think the chemistry will be disturbed much, and think it foolish to be looking at Quinn as the qb of the future without getting him into ball games.
If DA was a experienced NFL qb, I would probably agree with your point, but as it is he is pretty inexpereinced, so he isn't bringing that much more to the table than will Quinn.
Anderson is a good example of what holding a clipboard does for a player....it doesn't do much after a point. Playing is the only real experience that works.
Quinn has been through the game prep, road trips, watching from the sidelines. Watching more isn't going to help him that much.
Get him in so we can sooner determine if he is the real deal or a mirage.
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If we're at .500 by the bye,...and looking at our remaining schedule,...why would we risk tanking 2 games THIS year to prepare for NEXT year when those 2 "sacrificial" games could mean a P/O birth or not.
because DA coukld very well cost us 2 games or MORE ... U act like dA is playiing this superior football .... at the end of the day hes making the mistakes rookies make and THEN SOME ....
Peenie is finally right on sumptin .. we have no clue what would ahve happend if we played BQ from day 1 or what will happen if he plays after the Bye .. but here;s WHAT I DO KNOW ....
1. the Rush D and DA are the TWO BIGGEST REASONS we lost to the Faiders ... and we have no chance of "FIXING " the rush D .. we can come up with some schemes and try somethings but ultimatley there gonna fail as we just dont have the talent ..
2. DA HURT US VERY VERY BADLY against the Pats ... I wouldnt say he cost us that game as we were just overmatched at alot of spots (unlike the Faider game) ... but he DEFINETLY HURT US ALOT in that game ...
U keep bringing up all the things BQ will more than likely do wrong ... WHAT YOUR MISSING is that DA is doing all those things wrong and THEN SOME ...
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I don't think RAC will disrupt the chemistry if we have a shot at the post season,
and if RAC thinks he will disrupt the chemisrty by making the switch then he shouldn't make it ..... but maybe just maybe he BELIEVES he will IMPROVE the chemisrty if he makes the switch and ACTUALLY GIVE US A BETTER SHOT AT THE PLAYOFFS ....
witch IMO are a pipe dream anyhow .. but thats an entirely different thread topic .. so please dont' digress down that road ..
what ever RAC decides U wont hear a word out of me ... like i said earlier ... i TRUST him and Opie .. sumptin the previous bozos never earned from me ...
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You had to stoop to name calling.
Wooo there big fella,, I didn't call you or anyone else a name,,, I do however think your thinking on this subject is idiotic,,, but for all I know, your a genuis that had a momentary lapse in judgement!
You wanted DA to faint,,, and you wanted it so that Quinn would come in..
That to me is IDIOTIC thinking.. if you want to call that name calling,, ok with me. and if the refs want to throw me off this board for saying a particular line of thinking is stupid,,, Then I'll wear my banishment with pride!
What is your paypal address? I want to make sure you have milk for those Cheerios in the morning. I made a joke, you obviously thought its terrible, but I was joking none the less. Must you continue to rant about it?
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If BQ gives us the best chance to win, then you have to support him going in. With one very important disclaimer...
Once we go with BQ, there's no turning back. If we go BQ now, DA becomes strictly back-up material...only to play if BQ goes down. Having BQ go in and get yanked potentially damages his confidence and also makes DA push too hard to make plays to try to reclaim a starting role.
We're 2-3 and have two very winnable games in our next couple. What we do QB wise will affect the whole year.
The fact is, I think, that this is a call that can only be made by Romeo and the staff. They are the only ones who know how well BQ knows the offense. This is a decision that I would trust that they make appropriately.
I've never been a big DA supporter but I will say that he has shown improvement and keeps us competitive. If the coaching staff chooses to stay with him, I've got no problem with that for now.
Either which way that it goes, I'm excited.... 5 games in last year i was already browsing draft sites, looking for a saviour for the Browns. This year I finally feel that we still have a chance....
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Can we please move this to PM's or another thread ladies and gents .. I;d appreciatte it .. Thanks in advance ... If any of the Refs would care to clean this part out that'd be nice .. if not I HATE U ALL ... 
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Hey, I don't care for Derek Anderson. Brady Quinn is the future. But let's get real here for a moment. Does anyone actually believe that RAC is going to put the fate of this team in the hands of a rookie if we're 3-3 and 2-1 within our own division?
You refer to Quinn as a rookie, as if DA is a seasoned vet? Essentially, putting Quinn in is like DA 3-4 games ago. Not much of a difference IMO.
My thinking is, what better time to start the rookie QB, than against what may be the most confused/befuddled team right now. They are 0-5, they just lost their starting QB, Tillman is out, Z.Thomas is questionable, and J.Taylor is probable, but having leg problems.
Right now the Miami Dolphins are on a raft made of concrete and sinking fast.
If ever there's a good chance of us winning with a new rookie QB, this is the best chance. The longer the season goes on, the more time the bad teams get a chance to recover or repair their problems, Miami is ripe for the strike.
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Anderson is a good example of what holding a clipboard does for a player....it doesn't do much after a point. Playing is the only real experience that works.
NO PEEN it's talent/brains that work.
Palmer and several other QB's have stood on the sidelines..they were largely successful because they were actually good and had the talent even though they had to sit a bit..
Anderson's production has nothing to do with holding a clipboard..he is just inept at doing certain things vital to being a successful QB.
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If DA is winning us games
FYI...he's lost as many as he's won.
You're right,...thanks for pointing that out,....I forgot that if only BQ had been playing all along we'd be undefeated... ....and I'm certain he'd have CRUSHED the patriots 
It may not have gotten us a win in the Pats game but, DA sure as hell played a huge role in the Raiders loss. I can't believe people like what they see in this guy.
Quinn needs to start, and soon.
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If DA was a experienced NFL qb, I would probably agree with your point, but as it is he is pretty inexpereinced, so he isn't bringing that much more to the table than will Quinn.
Exactly, a lot of folks have used the logic "Quinn wouldn't do much better than DA because DA is just making rookie mistakes and BQ will make the same ones." FINE. If anybody is going to learn from their rookie mistakes, I'd rather it be Quinn right now than DA...
I also saw the argument a couple weeks ago that we needed to play DA to groom him as a back-up and to see if he's worth keeping... Well I find that logic to be completely backwards. You groom your starters, you do what is in their best interest, then you do the best you can with the back-ups.
Right now, not only is BQ missing valuable game experience with each game he's not on the field, he's also missing valuable #1 time with the first team in practice. It's like a double wammy...
One other thing... as for how good DA is, we'll see at the end of the year because his contract is up if I'm not mistaken... so we'll see if other teams are actively pursuing him (assuming they know he's not going to be our starter).. we'll see what we offer him to stay... it will tell us a lot. I like the kid, wouldn't mind having him as a back-up going into next year but if a decent offer is out there and we can get a real vet back-up, I think you consider it...
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The Browns point out that Anderson has 11 touchdowns and eight interceptions in four games, and that two of his interceptions against New England were tipped.
I got that from a article on the OBR...
What they don't point out is my 5 year old can read a book better than DA can read a coverage
"If he completes those balls, then we're not talking as much about his inconsistentcies"
Sooooo tell me..does this sound like a coach ready to insert the future ... perhaps buying time for the starter right now?
hes keeping him from under the bus ... plain and simple .... he can talk about the first pas being tipped all he wants .. that ball was not "tipped" .. it was "DROPPED UPWARDS" .... *LOL* .. he threw that ball right to Samuels ..
and the 2nd one was tipped .. but it was only tipped cause he threw it a foot from where someone was standing .. *L*
THEY SEE THIS bro ... if we know it .. they know it ...
Shaff/Tuck and DA/BQ are night and day for MILLIONS of reasons ... there not even in the same ball bark so trying to make inferences from one situation to another is ludicrious IMO ...
U may very well maybe right that DA does stay in after the bye ... but I think your wasting time trying to infer anything from any of the "article quotes" U posted above ...
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is finally right on sumptin
Or maybe you finally admit I am right about stuff. 
At any rate, Quinns time is here or near.
Everything points to him being a top qb, so it is time to get the show on the road.
Unlike Palmer who had a experienced, proven starter in Kitna, we have DA, who has done little more than prove he can be a decent back-up qb for a team.
All logical people know....or at least feel Quinn is a superior prospect.
The fact DA is now keeping him on the bench doesn't make much sense to me.
Quinn should be able to come out and play at least as well as DA...and everything points to him being able to exceed what DA produces.
If the plan was the bye...I say we don't need to be inflexible in the plan....starting at home in front of the crowd is in order....hell...I will even say it....we deserve that.
Miami is a ideal starting point.
Now it is simply a matter of when RAC finally gets it...or savage...or whoever makes the starting decisions.
A start against the Fins gives Quinn the start...then 2 weeks to digest the fact and plan for the next game.
2 weeks to plan your first start is a long time to think about it....sort of like icing a kicker.
It is time to get the BQ era underway.
Also....waiting for DA to screw up isn't exactly the best for him either. This way we can tell him thanks for holding the fort as well as he has but this was the plan....rather than saying you screwed up and lost the job.
Works for his confidence and works for any remote trade possibilities that might remain.
Seems like a win/win all the way around.
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U may very well maybe right that DA does stay in after the bye ... but I think your wasting time trying to infer anything from any of the "article quotes" U posted above ...
Perhaps the Shaffer/Tucker thing is off however I listen how he talks about the QB's..even past times..and he hardly ever sounds hard or harsh about them but with other positions he can be rather blunt as if he has less patience..
He seems to never give the impression he's fed up with them(QB's)...although that yanking of Frye was the ax if there ever was one.
My thought is will he give DA the benefit of the doubt till they say enough is enough?
Or will he admit that dude just is a pot holder for Quinn who should get in there?
If they are producing and DA hasn't self destructed to a point where the NE performance looks like every quarter from here on out I don't see Rac yanking him out..
The other thing is if DA gets hit hard enough to even take him out of a series..and BQ comes in... we know Phil said once he comes in there was no turning back..
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Diam...I touched on this subject briefly in one of my previous posts.
...The Browns have a possible QB controversy on their hands, again!
...Why?
...Because Derek Anderson is playing better as our starting QB than some thought he would.
...Derek ranks in the top 10 in several categories when we look at his stats. Just a little evidence that Anderson is not the slug some thought he would be...since your about to say, stats are for losers...lol.
...Anderson ranks 7th in total yds...and he's had one less start than the QBs in front of him.
...Anderson ranks 8th in yds per attempt.
...Anderson ranks 3rd in the NFL in TD passes with 11 tds.
...Anderson does rank 2nd in the NFL, tied with Tony Romo in INTs...He is learning a new offense as are his WRs. Anderson is starting for the first time but he does need to take better care of the ball..
...Anderson has only been sacked 5 times, ranking him in a tie for 4th with several other QBs for least sacks. Let's give some credit to the Oline, too.
...Anderson's 80.5 QB rating ranks him 19th in the NFL, just behind Eli Manning.
...Anderson's 52.2% completion percentage ranks him 32nd out of 34 in the NFL...Anderson's poorest stat.
I can hear you Diam....stats are for losers...but some stats give an indication as to a players performance.
The most important stat of all, the offense is scoring...ranked 7th in the NFL scoring 25.2 points per game.
I know...most will say that "wins" are the most important stat...but when judging Anderson's performance...the Browns offense is carrying this team and carrying the defense.
The Browns defense ranks dead last, #32, in total offense.
You can't put the responsibility for the team winning or losing on Anderson or the offense as both are doing their job, dragging the NFL's worst defense with them.
The Browns are still in the hunt for a playoff spot and that is the ultimate goal of all the NFL teams.
Yep, it's way too early to talk about playoffs BUT, as long as the Browns have a possibility of making the playoffs, IT IS HARD TO JUSTIFY SETTING ANDERSON IN FAVOR OF QUINN.
Again, it's hard for the Browns front office to justify setting Anderson as long as the offense is scoring and the team is competitive.
If Anderson's performance turns sour, that would be a legit reason for setting him.
If Anderson gets hurt, no problem, Quinn will start.
If the team is mathematically eliminated from the hunt for a playoff spot, no problem with setting Anderson to see what Quinn can do.
BUT, if the Browns just hand the job to Quinn while the offense is performing well under Anderson's leadership, IT'S WRONG!
Looking at the calendar and using the bye week as an excuse to put Quinn in, while Anderson is playing at this level and the team is still playing for a potential playoff spot, would be wrong.
This is just my humble opinion...yours might be different...WOOF...mac
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1. the Rush D and DA are the TWO BIGGEST REASONS we lost to the Faiders ... and we have no chance of "FIXING " the rush D .. we can come up with some schemes and try somethings but ultimatley there gonna fail as we just dont have the talent ..
2. DA HURT US VERY VERY BADLY against the Pats ... I wouldnt say he cost us that game as we were just overmatched at alot of spots (unlike the Faider game) ... but he DEFINETLY HURT US ALOT in that game ...
.....Can't deny that at all,...and I agree...BQ couldn't have done any worse.
You didn't mention the Cinci or Rats games,......would BQ have thrown 5 TD's to beat the Bengals?,.......would he have beaten the Rats?,....he MIGHT have.
...If RAC feels BQ can come in now and make this team better,....I'll be excited as hell.......If he feels it's better for him to sit,...well,....that's why he gets paid the big bucks.
.......I've heard of QB's getting ruined for coming in too early,...I don't know of ANY that were ruined by being allowed to sit and learn.
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...The Browns have a possible QB controversy on their hands, again!
I disagree. We all know (even the QBs) that BQ is coming at some point. There isn't controversy when you know something will happen.
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I have tried to think of the reasons not to start BQ. I think there are reasons that better teams sit rookies, and there are reasons crummier teams sit rookies. Just brainstorming here, so anyone else's input is appreciated:
Why "Good" Teams Sit Rookie QBs:
1. To watch and learn from a seasoned veteran on his way out
The Browns certainly are not in this situation with DA essentially being a rookie, as others have posted
2. To "win now" with the veteran rather than risk a playoff berth with the rookie
We might be on the cusp of a playoff berth if we can keep up the progress, so this could be valid if DA was playing well enough to not be a liability
3. Don't risk the rook's ego/whatever by putting him in and not succeeding immediately
I think this is actually a valid reason to sit a QB (see Tim Couch), but what BQ went through at ND should have him prepared for this.
That's all I've got, there.
Why Bottom Dwellers Sit Rookie QBs:
1. To not risk injury to the investment with weak supporting cast (OL, running game, etc.)
This is why the Couch exepriment failed (not the only reason, of course). We actually have a line that can give time to a QB and an adequate running game to keep the pressure off the QB
Again, all I have there. In the past, I have been a "sit the rook" guy, but I am rethinking that based on our current situation. We are in position to give a rookie, especially a talented rookie, a chance with the cast around him. DA is immobile, but stayed upright far more than I might have expected any QB to be in that Pats game. If we can protect a QB with that pass rush, BQ should be alright. I know one of the arguements is that an opposing team will put more pressure on an inexperienced QB to try to force errors and rattle them, but I think BQ has more poise than DA, and the opposition has known this, so I don't think BQ would see more pressure than DA has. That is where my biggest fear would be.
There have been rookie QBs who have started as rookies, often by necessity (injuries, etc) who have been successful: Marino, Manning, Toothlessberger, etc. The common denominator in all of those was a capable offense and scheme setting them up for success. I think that situation exists here. If Brady tanks in those conditions, I want to know sooner than later.
The only wildcard that none of us really know about is how well he is picking up the playbook. He looked good in the preseason, but he was only running what, 5 or 6 different plays? I would suspect, from what we think we know about BQ, he has a decent handle on the playbook. At least as good as DA. DA was not the study/film hound that Frye was, according to the media. If he can handle the O, Brady can too, I suspect.
Anyway, let me know what you think about the reasons above and if there are other valid ones to add.
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can u please put some kind of foam or other 'cushiony" pading down at the places u frequent cause if RAC does make the change I'd hate to see u get hurt when u are FLOORED .... 
Hehe.....I'm touched by your concern
I'm glad you recognized that I'm not advocating keeping Anderson as the starter.
I'm just trying to envision a scenario where RAC would make the switch at this point, and the only way it happens is if Anderson goes out and lays another egg. I remember how he remained loyal to Dilfer late into the season despite shoddy play, even though Frye was "the future." Yes, I know that Frye isn't Quinn (knew it then too *L*) but as hard as it is to say, Anderson is playing better now than Dilfer was playing then. Also, there's the likely reality that we'll still be in the playoff hunt after the bye week.
An embattled, conservative, old coach suddenly making an aggressive move at this point? I don't see it.
Hopefully, we'll win despite a bad performance by Anderson, and this entire controversy on the board (I don't think there's any controversy in the building at this point) will be a moot point. We can then make the switch and not look back. I just don't believe that RAC would make the switch if Anderson plays well.
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Hehe.....I'm touched by your concern
OMG, you two guys are funny! I really think I could sit here and read your quips all day long sometimes..
Can I ask a really stupid question? Does any of this bantering back and forth really matter..
I mean, at least I and 100,000 of my closest friends feel that it's Brady Quinns team pretty soon.. Does it really matter all that much if it's this coming week or after the Bye or during the 10th game of the season?
Sooner or later, the QB of the Browns is gonna be Brady Quinn.. Can we all agree on that? Or can we at least agree that that's the plan as of today?
In my feeble little brain, Quinn represents the future of this franchise. If he's everything we all hope he is, we could be winners for years and years. At least now that we have an Oline...
Pick up another worthy receiver, A stud running back and this offense should be golden. (the D is another story)
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Can I ask a really stupid question? Never stopped U before  Does any of this bantering back and forth really matter..
Does it really bother U ? U left yourself open so I took advantage of it Sooner or later, the QB of the Browns is gonna be Brady Quinn.. Can we all agree on that? Or can we at least agree that that's the plan as of today?
Agree on that? Who doesn't know that? Only way he isn't the future is if he busts out. Does it really matter all that much if it's this coming week or after the Bye or during the 10th game of the season?
That's a better question than those "feel good questions" U ask as of late  it matters in terms of how much game experience they want him to get this season alone.
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Jamey,...You've given 3 reasons for a good team to sit a QB and 1 reason for a bad team.
I'm guessing you feel we're in the Bottom Dwellers class,...we're not.We actually have a pretty good team that until last week when we played the best team in football we were in 2nd place.
....DA is certainly not to be considered a vet but he's certainly not a rook either,...he's got what?....3 years on BQ.
...It's too early to tell about P/O's,...but it's definately a possibility,...it's too early to tell if DA will be a liability in this quest......we're STILL improving,...once we reach our peak and it turns out we're not that good or that we start to regress,...than changes will be made.
....I'm not at all worried about BQ's confidence if we put him in now,...that's not what's holding him back.
....injury concern is not the issue,....he has the line and the weapons RIGHT NOW if he's brought in,...but again,...that's not what's holding him back.
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I mean, at least I and 100,000 of my closest friends feel that it's Brady Quinns team pretty soon.. Does it really matter all that much if it's this coming week or after the Bye or during the 10th game of the season?
Sooner or later, the QB of the Browns is gonna be Brady Quinn.. Can we all agree on that? Or can we at least agree that that's the plan as of today?
.....Please don't try and make it THAT simple...
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Let's take this a little farther.
One main reason people are bringing up for keeping DA as starter, is that we still have a shot at the playoffs.
Now with that in mind, who here believes that even if everything went our way, and we snuck into a WC spot, that we have a realistic chance of advancing very deep into the playoffs?
I say we don't, yes it would be a great moral victory for the season, and one that would be thrown away when we start BQ next season and live through half a season of growing pains, that we could easily get out this year. And do so with a weak schedule.
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I'm guessing you feel we're in the Bottom Dwellers class,...
I don't actually. I think offensively (which in this discussion is really the only bit that matters), we are near the top of the league.... once we have an adequate QB installed. I think all the other pieces are in place offensively outside of the QB position. I think the missing piece is holding a clipboard.
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I say we don't, yes it would be a great moral victory for the season, and one that would be thrown away when we start BQ next season and live through half a season of growing pains, that we could easily get out this year. And do so with a weak schedule.
I agree. Let's get the growing pains out of the way THIS year. That way next year we can worry about the D.
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Now with that in mind, who here believes that even if everything went our way, and we snuck into a WC spot, that we have a realistic chance of advancing very deep into the playoffs?
I say we don't, yes it would be a great moral victory for the season, and one that would be thrown away when we start BQ next season
...man,...how can you say that?...to think that it would only serve as a moral victory and all be thrown away???
....If we make the P/O's,...that means this team learned something extremely valuable,....they learned HOW to win...... BQ entering next season starting on a winning team that has already overcome the "mental" part of winning,.. can only be valuable to his growth.
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You can't put the responsibility for the team winning or losing on Anderson or the offense as both are doing their job, dragging the NFL's worst defense with them.
We lead the AFC is give aways with 13 and are ahead of only the Lions and the Bears. That's almost 3 a game. Our defense is right in the middle of the pack with 8 take aways which leaves us at -5. So yea, the offense scores points, but how many short fields have we given up? How many times have we pinned the defenses back to the wall?
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Again, it's hard for the Browns front office to justify setting Anderson as long as the offense is scoring and the team is competitive.
First of all, it should have nothing do with the FO.. it should be about Chud and RAC making a decision... and no it's not. Not if dumb mistakes and turnovers and missed throws are costing us points or costing us games.... I don't care if we score 35 a game, if we're turning it over 3 times a game and giving up short fields or those turnovers are keeping us from scoring 45, then you try to address the problem. If all of the numbers were the same and Jamal Lewis was fumbling 2 or 3 times a game, you can bet your butt that everybody would want him replaced.... especially if a first round draft pick was on the bench waiting to take his place...
Look at the Bears, you don't think they regret not going after a decent freakin' qb in the off-season? They were winning, heck they were in the superbowl, sticking with subpar inconsistent QB play, relying on other factors to keep them competitive... now where are they?
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Now with that in mind, who here believes that even if everything went our way, and we snuck into a WC spot, that we have a realistic chance of advancing very deep into the playoffs?
I say we don't, yes it would be a great moral victory for the season, and one that would be thrown away when we start BQ next season
...man,...how can you say that?...to think that it would only serve as a moral victory and all be thrown away???
....If we make the P/O's,...that means this team learned something extremely valuable,....they learned HOW to win...... BQ entering next season starting on a winning team that has already overcome the "mental" part of winning,.. can only be valuable to his growth.
OK, we make the P/O's with DA. Then next year they put BQ in as planned, and we struggle for half the year. BAM!! Boards are filled with Fire Romeo, Fire Savage posts because we went from a P/O Team to a under .500 team.
Whereas I see it that we get BQ experience this year, fix the Dline some next year, and be looking at P/O next year with an offense AND defense that can get us passed the first round.
I'm willing to give up a 1 round P/O birth this year for a complete team next year, and honestly, I think we have as good a chance of a WC spot with BQ finishing out, as we do with DA.
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Amen. First I agree that if we can make the PO with Anderson, we can make them with Quinn... Secondly I agree that getting into the playoffs so we can have a first round beatdown at the hands of the Colts or the Patriots sure sounds fun.. but not at the expense of the next couple years when we might actually be able to compete.
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when he has just as much potential.
DA has just as much potential as Quinn???
DA has been serviceable at best... Quinn has way more talent and intelligence than DA does.
Jaybird, do you think Quinn would have put up 51 points against Cincy, somehow, I do not! Also, Anderson knew what to expect against Baltimore, I'm afraid BQ would have run into more pressure than he was ready for, though I didn't get to watch the game, so I don't really know how much pressure they were getting on DA? All in all, I really don't think BQ would have started the season for the Browns any better than what DA has done. (Except maybe the Oakland game, LOL) I do believe that BQ is the future starter of the Browns but why hurry him in...I think we could allow DA to start another game and if he looks bad against the Fish then after the BYE, enter the dragon; er Quinn!  JMO
I do think DA has been slightly more than servicable and deserves to be the back up once BQ is the starter. Too sum it up about Sunday's game against the Pats, he had a bad game but so did the Defense and most of the team in general. Well, did you really expect us to go into N.E. and win? I thought we had a chance but a slim one at that. N.E. is looking very much like a S.B. team and we're not quite there yet!!!
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You'd almost have to wait til the Seahawk game. You wouldn't want to deprive the Cleveland fans the initial start of BQ at home would you?  Besides having that crowd cheering for him, would help him overcome those first start jitters.
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OK, we make the P/O's with DA. Then next year they put BQ in as planned, and we struggle for half the year. BAM!! Boards are filled with Fire Romeo, Fire Savage posts because we went from a P/O Team to a under .500 team.
Whereas I see it that we get BQ experience this year, fix the Dline some next year, and be looking at P/O next year with an offense AND defense that can get us passed the first round.
.....All true,...... I think he's gaining more experience now than most people are giving him credit for.
If he's more NFL ready than any other QB coming out this year(which I think he is).....by the time he gets through T/C , pre-season,and the first 1/2 of the season,...you'll probably be looking at an almost finished product.
.....If not,....we've all been had.
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yes, but learning from the book and tapes means nothing until you put it into practice on the field, that's the next step that he needs to begin, and begin soon.
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He's getting his snaps,....just not as many as DA,...he's gotta be ready every Sunday too.
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You'd almost have to wait til the Seahawk game.
You wouldn't want to deprive the Cleveland fans the initial start of BQ at home would you?
Besides having that crowd cheering for him, would help him overcome those first start jitters.
True, it probably would be easier on BQ to have his first start at CBS. However, the Bye Week will give BQ more time to prepare. Either way I'm fine if DA starts or BQ starts.
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He's getting his snaps,....just not as many as DA,...he's gotta be ready every Sunday too.
He needs game snaps, not practice snaps. Totally different.
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I doubt that Crennel keeps his guys during the bye-week, I'd be willing to bet they get the week off to visit their families and return for Practice the following Monday.
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He's getting his snaps,....just not as many as DA,...he's gotta be ready every Sunday too.
He needs game snaps, not practice snaps. Totally different.
He has to get his plays and timing down(by far the most important)....come actual game time,....he'll be fine
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He has to get his plays and timing down(by far the most important)....come actual game time,....he'll be fine
Oh, it's as easy as that? Not hardly. Game speed is WAY different than practice, it's time for him to move on to that and getting the majority of snaps in practice.
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