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This is a very poor way to debate. It actually illustrates the opposite.

But hey, at least you didn't call someone a racist in this one!

#BabySteps

I give what I get. And you never like a dose of your own medicine.

There are some great debates actually going on in this forum right now. Then we have single minded individuals who can only focus on BLM and can't sem to try and have discussions. Good luck with that.

I don't think you really understand how to use any of those rhetorical methods very well. Knowing the words clearly doesn't mean an ability to effectively use the methods.

You're great at giving your interpretation of alleged facts. Or repeating someone else's interpretation.

You claim to know things that are unknowable. "I know [what] people will think."

Admitting the things you don't know is the first step towards wisdom.

Holding yourself accountable should come before trying to hold other people accountable.

You claim to make your arguments in a "factual manner," but they seem more emotional and idealized.

Calling something a fact doesn't, in fact, make it a fact.

It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

You approach every story as if it only had one side, and it's the one you want to see. The world usually doesn't work that way. Stories are always influenced by the person telling them.

To deny that there could be any other interpretation of any story is the opposite of logic.



...I find myself strangely in the mood for a fortune cookie.

Trump's despicable. His opponents frequently duck just as low.

You just don't like my arguments and you're arguing semantics.



I'm all for you refuting any of my facts. Please go ahead!



Please show verifiable proof where I claim to know what's unknown or that I know will people think. If you find these very exact statements, I'll leave the board forever. If you don't find those statements, you leave the board forever. Want to take that wager?



And this is why I wish for you to refute my facts. Please expand my knowledge!



Please show where I have called something a fact that hasn't been supported by evidence. I'll be waiting.



Facts are facts. I want to live in reality.



Oh, the ol' Newt Gingrich "feelings are more important than facts" approach!

Door Number One... with Stephen Miller whispering in his ear.

This is not hard to figure out, Ben Shapiro's observation notwithstanding.


Gig: postponed by one day, after being outed in public on a national scale. Boogaloo Boys, Proud Boys, TripleK's, Stormers... no joy this Friday. 'Negroids' win this round.

I'll bet Miller is piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissed...

Okay.........I hate doing this because we fight each and every time we talk. I also have noticed others have called you out and I typically stay out of the battle if others are fighting for what I believe in. However, I have been kinda hard on the other side recently because I feel they have been biased and unchecked. Thus, I have to say/ask this.

What do you think you are are accomplishing by posting so many videos that depict black people in a negative light?

I don't like posting videos in these types of discussions because sides can take a video that makes the police look bad or whites look bad or blacks look bad or etc, etc, etc.

What does it accomplish other than to further divide our nation?

I have often said that if folks would put 1/10th of the energy in trying to build bridges as they do in trying to further the divide, this country would prosper immensely. And I am being conservative in that 1/10th stat.

I can tell you this. I have had the honor of serving the black community for many decades. Yes, there are idiot black folks. Racist blacks. Woe-is-me blacks. Just like there are in every freaking race. However, most black people are decent folks just like every other race.

I have no idea why there is so much resistance to just treating each person as an individual rather than part of a "group."

My videos are depicting people in a negative light. Some white. Some black. Some hispanic. Some asian. Actually most of my videos have depicted white people in a negative light.

You are doing the very thing you are complaining about. You are making this about race. I am making this about large groups of people that are destroying property, injuring people, etc., WHILE hurting an important movement and peaceful protesters. These people are of various races, but again, mostly white. I don't appreciate the idea that I am sharing videos of only black people in some effort to target a particular race. That has been the furthest from the case.

The group isn't white. The group isn't black. This group comes in various colors and I wish people would do more research on them.

You know trump supporters don’t care.

Still gonna vote for him. They’re perfectly fine with racism. It’s just not important to them.

J/C
https://nyti.ms/37JEaJr

OAKLAND, Calif. — Twitter added a warning to a post from President Trump about a racist baby on Thursday, saying it contained manipulated media designed to mislead people.

Mr. Trump’s tweet, which he posted earlier on Thursday, featured a video of two toddlers running down a sidewalk. The video had been altered to appear as if CNN had broadcast it, along with a fake chyron that claimed, “Racist baby probably a Trump voter.” The video went on to accuse “fake news” of stoking misinformation.

Mr. Trump sourced the video from a popular pro-Trump meme creator who goes by the name CarpeDonktum.

Pfft trump supporters. And really trump! How much hate do you have to repost this How much more hate can you project toward our brothers and American citizens?


The complete video showed the two kids hugging and playing together. Only trump supporters could take a beautiful moment captured and turn it into a ugly racist hate filled meme.

Not really. I'll give you credit for making some feeble attempts at doing so, but they've fallen well short of the mark.

"I know people will think" is a direct quote of something you wrote earlier in this thread. Another person's thoughts are unknowable.



You want to live in your subjective version of reality. All "reality" is subjective. Here's one of a multitude of articles on the topic: link



No, I'm saying the opposite. I'm saying people let their feelings get in the way of the facts. "People see what they expect to see." "This is what they say happened, it agrees with what I already believe, that must be exactly how it happened." This is faulty, but typical logic. You deny any other possible explanation because of your beliefs, not your knowledge. You're stuck in a paradigm.

Sadly, our society seems to turn people into partisan parakeets. "This is a fact because I was told so. I will repeat it." Once something gets through a person's inherently flawed "sniff test," it becomes a part of their subjective reality and they are increasingly unwilling to really examine it.

It's not because they know things are facts. It's because they want to believe them.

Wow. Really grasping straws hey?

"I know people will think" is a common expression, it's part of our vernacular, it is not a statement oof being able to read minds. trying to suggest anything otherwise is just admitting that you have lost an argument. Congrats

What is it a statement of? Why is it in our "vernacular", as you say? It indicates and contributes to the problem I am talking about.

Rocket's argument fits your paradigm, so you seem to be unwilling to critically examine it.

But, I can see I'm wasting my time. It becomes more and more obvious, people don't want to change, they want to feel righteous. My time apparently would be better spent having this discussion with an actual parakeet. At least they can learn to repeat words that don't agree with the ones they "know."

I know you'll think this is not accurate, but you are a trip recently. You've given up any attempt to have real conversations

I know people will think that political discussion on a football message board is meaningless, but for many it seems very important.

I know people will think that Trump used the symbol from Nazi Germany by accident, and maybe he did.

I know people will think it's impossible for Trump and all his aides that worked on this to be totally ignorant of the symbolism and Nazi connection.

I'll admit my frustration is coming through. The problem isn't that I've given up, the problem is that I keep trying to have a conversation with individuals that aren't prepared/equipped to listen to it.

In the end, it amounts to about the same thing.

Things come easy to me that don't to other people. It's a blessing and a curse. Great for getting good grades and solving analytical problems. Not so great for having meaningful conversations. Life can be lonely at the top of the bell curve, I keep hoping someone will understand. I'm not sure why I keep looking here, I suppose the hope is that the bonds of shared Browns fandom will help.

Not for nothing, but I guess you didn't notice the difference between the two signs....

Ahhhh... nobody else is smart enough to keep up ? Got it! .... either that or maybe your not actually the smartest person in the room and people see thru you? Hmmmm ? Wonder which is more likely ?

Hey at least you have it all straight in YOUR head. At least YOU know YOU are right and everyone else is wrong! Thats an awesome starting point

by the way I didn't see if you answered the question about the cop shooting the individual at Wendy's.... on my phone so I hard for me to look up right now

I hate the term justified. It has both moral and legal definitions. I'd like to think that I'd have never done it. Intellectually, I never would. However, I don't know what was going through the mind of anyone involved. Morally, I find it reprehensible. Legally, it's a gray area. Technically, I think he could be charged in his own killing. It's silly but the law frequently is.

How did he get to the Wendy's parking lot? As far as I know, Wendy's doesn't serve alcohol. Did he drive drunk to get there? Do we actually know that he was "drunk"? It's been used as a reason that he may not have complied, but I'm not sure if a BAC was officially released. Legally, these things matter.

It's tragic and should never happen. Sadly, it does happen all too frequently. There's plenty of blame to go around, though. With the officers, yes. Also, society and the way we promote alcohol. Probably a bit with the man himself.

I hadn't answered the question because this thread keeps getting pulled towards a certain issue to the detriment of the myriad issues that allow that issue to constantly happen.

I probably should have used purple. I guess I need to stop overestimating what people will comprehend.

As long as you realize that you're no less guilty of what you seem to be accusing others of that's fine.

Only for a police officer is shooting someone is the back a "gray area". The rest of us knows exactly what would happen if we did the same thing. A badge means it's you duty to uphold the law, not be above the law.

Was he calmly walking away or was he constantly twisting around to look behind him? Where were his hands at? Was he saying/shouting anything?

Shooting someone in the back sounds horrible and very well could have been (most likely was.) It's not like he was just standing there with his back to the police and they walked up, pressed their guns against the back of his head, and shot him, though. There were things that led up to the shooting and not just the being in his car asleep. There was interaction between the sides. I don't know what that was. Neither do you or anyone else that wasn't there.

Morally, we shouldn't be shooting people. However, legal doesn't equal moral.

The body cam issues do trouble me. I think they should be fixed to harnesses instead of on clips that can "fall off." Maybe even have multiple of them sewn securely inside the uniforms.

Dude, you really need to stop reaching. The guy "twisted around" one time. It was before the officer fired. The guy was turned away with his back to the officer when he fired. There is video that can't be refuted. What happened "before he started to flee" does not change what happened at the time of the shooting.

I'm neither reaching nor refuting anything. I'm asking questions. I'm trying to get you to ask yourself questions. Try to step outside the narrative.

Every story should be looked at from multiple perspectives before deciding on which one you believe. Sometimes people just need to learn that they'll never know the particulars despite how strongly they suspect.

It's okay to admit not knowing something or that there are other possibilities than what you believe.

There's always more to learn, and there will always be things that each individual doesn't know. Most things are complicated. Insisting on simplifying them only works with math, and even then it can be problematic.

I've watched the video several times. Stating what actually happened is not a narrative. Trying to create a false narrative, rationalizations and excuses is nothing more than creating a story about conditions that didn't happen.

Which is a lot of words that don't say squat.

We've seen the video. We've seen enough to take a position and form an opinion on fairly detailed and distinct evidence.

Based on what is to see - and what is known ... it's not hard. The shooting of the man running away from the police with a tazer in his hand is flat wrong. Period.

See - not hard. Straight forward. If there is additional information that comes to light we can revise and update our opinions at that point. But as it is -

1. The guy was not armed with any sort of deadly weapon.
2. He was running away from the cops after they had talked and breathalyzed him - it's not like he could of had a firearm tucked in his waistband.
3. He certainly aimed the tazer at the cops - but again, the appropriate response to that can't be taking of life.

There's enough evidence to have charged the police officer with murder.... and yet you want to talk in circles and avoid offering an opinion ... and I don't know if that's because you are so clever and see so many things ordinary mortals don't or if you are just biased. Hard to tell.

A taser is classified as a firearm in the Georgia criminal code. Link

The fact that it is less lethal doesn't make it non-lethal.

I'm not saying what happened was right. It might make it legal, though.

If you get hit by electricity, most SOPs have you put under mandatory observation in case you go into cardiac arrest. They don't do it without reason. Getting shocked with electricity has, does, and can kill people.

I'm not going to be sorry for my intelligence. Trust me, I've tried to drink myself stupid, so I can see things the way the rest of you do. It didn't work.

It doesn't make me "better," but I do see things most people don't. A lot of times I wish I were "ordinary." I'm not proud of my intelligence, it's just something I was born with. I can't help it, and there is no point in denying it. When you test in the 99th percentile on all the standardized test, there aren't a lot of people that think like you. Most people fall in, for simplicities sake, the 25-75 range of the bell curve. We "lucky"/ cursed few only represent something like 0.1% of the population. We do think differently. You can either consider what smart people say and try to learn from it, or you can ridicule it because you don't understand. You don't understand, that's fine, but don't try to make it my problem.

I wasn't trying to toot my own horn. I was trying to show some vulnerability and give some perspective. If you don't understand something, ask. Don't attack because you don't understand and it makes you feel insecure. Things aren't learned by attacking. Things are learned by asking questions.

This ties back into the whole protest problem. We're not asking questions. We're not even allowing others to ask questions. People are attacking anyone that doesn't agree with them.

It seems to be our society's default. When in doubt, attack.

It's a lousy way to solve problems.

Is "When in doubt, ask" that unthinkable for people?

Or is the problem that people don't allow themselves to have doubts? Are they so insecure that they don't allow themselves to question things?

Sometimes ones own eyes tell us more than word salad.

Sometimes, but usually not.

It depends on the "word salad," and how willing one is to try to understand the words.

Eyes can be deceived. Illusionists, advertisers, and propagandists rely on this fact.

Breaking News...

Bull Dawg is smarter than everyone else.

lol

Thanks. That is why I used the word "Deadly".

And while a Tazer may well be deadly to some people with health issues .... they are used when deadly force is NOT needed.

Thanks. But sometimes the 99-1 rule applies.... it's a lot like the 80-20 rule but in this case it's 99-1.

It wasn't David Blaine out there shooting a man in the back.

Why am I not surprised you would think that from of person trying to make excuses for a cop shooting a black man in the back and killing him.

think: 'purple text'...

I often time do. Yet at the same time I always consider the source when reaching a conclusion.

No, just 99% of people.

Jeez, more hyperbolic headlines and fake news.

But, really, that wasn't the point of the post at all.

It was just an incidental part of the response when someone uses "maybe you're just cleverer than the rest of us" as some kind of dig. It's possible that I am *shrug*

Not that it makes me infallible. It's the people that act like they are infallible that drive me nuts.

That's part of the reason I frequently pose things as questions. I freely admit there are lots of things I don't know.