A noose in a garage as a threat seems about as out of this world of a concept as fear of an invasion by Zepplins, but that's the America I live in, Makes me think it'd be someone who doesn't understand America who would try to pull this off, some outsider trying to cause division in the USA,
But that's been the common theme hasn't it, overthrow America?
To be fair I haven't read the story if it's twitter or youtube or some other then it's blank and won't load.
Good. Now that the feds are on the case, it shouldn't be too long before we find out Bubba Wallace "Jussie Smolletted' himself...
No idea who did it or why but I would have to imagine these NASCAR garages have tens of millions of dollars of parts and specialized racing equipment in them... they must have cameras and some pretty intense security don't they?
If it was a white supremacist then lock them up for a long time.. if it was somebody pretending to be one to fuel racial hatred, they are only a smidgen better than the white supremacists themselves so knock a few weeks off their sentence.
A noose in a garage as a threat seems about as out of this world of a concept as fear of an invasion by Zepplins, but that's the America I live in, Makes me think it'd be someone who doesn't understand America who would try to pull this off, some outsider trying to cause division in the USA,
But that's been the common theme hasn't it, overthrow America?
To be fair I haven't read the story if it's twitter or youtube or some other then it's blank and won't load.
Yeah. let’s gloss over the fact a deplorable redneck racist who had access to the NASCAR garages hung that noose.
An outsider Typical.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Good. Now that the feds are on the case, it shouldn't be too long before we find out Bubba Wallace "Jussie Smolletted' himself...
No idea who did it or why but I would have to imagine these NASCAR garages have tens of millions of dollars of parts and specialized racing equipment in them... they must have cameras and some pretty intense security don't they?
If it was a white supremacist then lock them up for a long time.. if it was somebody pretending to be one to fuel racial hatred, they are only a smidgen better than the white supremacists themselves so knock a few weeks off their sentence.
IN the garage, 10's of millions of parts? No.
Fans, this year, aren't allowed in the pits at all, let alone the actual garage.
Team members only. Plus, you will never see an open 'garage' without a team member in it. Most teams also have security camera's in their garage as well.
Race teams are, generally speaking, fairly secretive of the cars, and parts, and who's allowed to get close.
I haven't followed this close since I don't watch nascar anymore, but I've not seen pictures of the noose. Regardless, at least in previous years, this would probably be easy to find out who did it, and not only that, when it was done.
When society waits until social unrest happens to act, it's obvious what the catalyst was for that change. The fact you refuse to see that is not my issue. Unless it's your claim that in every one of these cases it was "merely a coincidence".
Yeah, that crap won't flush.
Sounds like you need to get your pipes cleaned.
But were they the best/only "catalyst" and was that the best change?
Is it possible that a different approach would have led to a better, more lasting/overarching result?
I've never claimed that protest and change were completely unrelated. It's the direct causation and level of effectiveness that I question.
It's the expression of social unrest that I think could be further refined. I think there should be social unrest. I agree that social unrest can bring about change.
What if instead of kneeling during the National Anthem, there was an announcement before or after the Anthem asking people to introduce themselves to each other and share a bit about themselves and their problems? What if athletes recorded something similar to occupy that time for viewers at home?
It would probably still have some detractors, but it seems like it could be a reasonable compromise.
There's definitely a discussion that needs to take place. It's the question of how we shape it/keep it going that occupies my brainpower.
It also seems like you're glossing over a lot of steps between the protest(s) and the actual change coming/that came about. Someone did work in there to actually change policies. The "unrest" may have gotten the ball rolling, but the direction/steering could have been/can be better.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
You can all it "getting the ball rolling" if that makes you feel better. But at least you're starting to come around to the fact that there was a causation between the two. I understand why you wish to move the goal posts now but at least you are making progress. And that's all i can really ask for at this point.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
So maybe I guessed high on the dollar volume but everything else I agree.. Are all 40 teams in the same big garage? If so, $10 million would only be $250K per team. But the exact dollar volume isn't exactly the point.
I know these guys are protective/secretive of their cars and their stuff, looking for any small advantage they can get, and I know not just anybody gets to walk into the garage...
So this had to be somebody with access and I can't believe it isn't recorded somewhere. Wonder if it was somebody on the crew of that driver that retired in protest?
Drivers, crew members stand with Bubba Wallace in pre-race show of support
NASCAR drivers and crew members offered a unified show of support for Bubba Wallace on Monday at Talladega Superspeedway when they pushed his car to the front of the grid during pre-race activities and stood resolutely beside the Richard Petty Motorsports driver during the national anthem prior to the NASCAR Cup Series race.
The support comes one day after a noose was discovered in the garage stall of the No. 43 team. Wallace drives the No. 43 Chevrolet for Richard Petty. The lone black driver in the NASCAR Cup Series, Wallace has used his voice and platform over recent weeks to speak out against racial injustice in the world.
PETTY: I stand with Bubba
Prior to Monday’s at-track gesture, several drivers had already voiced their support for the 26-year-old, who has driven a Black Lives Matter paint scheme and pushed for NASCAR to ban the Confederate flag from its events – which NASCAR did on June 10.
Jimmie Johnson, Ryan Blaney, Chase Elliott, Kyle Busch, Joey Logano and countless others joined former drivers Jeff Gordon and Dale Earnhardt Jr. in offering words of support for their fellow driver.
Petty, 82, also was on pit road by Wallace. NASCAR’s all-time wins leader and longtime team owner had been absent from the track during the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic but arrived in town Monday to be with his driver.
Hmmm... Seems those who actually are a part of NASCAR aren't making excuses for it and trying to make it sound like fake news. I think they would have a lot more information about how hard or easy it would be to have access to a NASCAR garage stall.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
You can all it "getting the ball rolling" if that makes you feel better. But at least you're starting to come around to the fact that there was a causation between the two. I understand why you wish to move the goal posts now but at least you are making progress. And that's all i can really ask for at this point.
I'm still not sure you grasp the difference between causation and correlation.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
man imma start leaving jars of mayo and crackers on peoples front door.
except knowing white people they wouldnt even get it and just think it was a thoughful neighbor leaving treats.
Somehow, no one is saying this is a racist statement. It even got a "like."
No use for hateful folks. I don't care what color they are. Hate is hate and ignorance is ignorance.
Not funny how you come in here and point fingers at us while ignoring the noose and the pos who hung it there. But you come in here point fingers the wrong way bro. But totally expected.
I’ll use the line the grand wizard in the WH uses. ‘it was a joke”. But having a sense of humor isn’t exactly in the GOPer wheelhouse is it?
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Belittling my opinions by saying I want to solve things by hugging or singing Kumbayah might win you points w/some folks, but they are inaccurate descriptors. I'm not about hugging. I am about respecting one another and treating other groups fairly.
Belittling my opinions by saying I want to solve things by hugging or singing Kumbayah might win you points w/some folks, but they are inaccurate descriptors. I'm not about hugging. I am about respecting one another and treating other groups fairly.
Your continued personal attacks in these forums confirm a different you than you imagine for yourself. As others have pointed out - you still think you are in a class room where you can bully and intimidate your audience into acquiescence.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
See, I see it the same way you do, only in the opposite direction. I think saying things like Daman's and PS's earlier in the thread ("Trump era", this is what happens when you have Trump... and stuff like that) really cheapens and oversimplifies the whole conversation around racism. Racism preceded (and some argue was a cause of) Trump. Not the other way around.
Are you saying that Trump doesn't stoke the flames of hate?
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
No, he is saying there hate crimes against blacks long before Trump entered the office. I also think that trying to blame every single incident on Trump actually weakens the idea that we still have a long way to go in improving race relations.
Wasn't sure where to put this, but this is a great story. I think the dude is a hero even if he says he isn't.
Quote:
Man wronged in past by police saves officer from burning car
CLAUDIA LAUER Associated PressJune 23, 2020, 1:25 AM EDT
There was a boom, then the house shook. Daylan McLee thought for a minute it might have been a small earthquake until a relative came running inside to say there had been a car crash involving a police cruiser outside the apartment in Uniontown, Pennsylvania, about 45 miles south of Pittsburgh.
McLee ran outside and pulled an officer from the mangled patrol car as flames began to spread into the cabin. Police officials and others have credited McLee with saving the officer’s life after the Sunday evening crash.
“I don’t know what came across me, but I ripped the door open and just pulled him to safety across the street,” McLee said Monday.
Protests over police brutality following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis that have gripped the nation for weeks have laid bare tensions between police and the communities they serve, exposing grave mistrust by civilians, and frustration by law enforcement officers who say they are being painted with too broad a brush. But for McLee, the issue broke through the larger questions on race and policing; it was about saving a life.
Uniontown Police Lt. Thomas Kolencik’s voice cracked as he told WTAE-Pittsburgh at the scene Sunday that the department was thankful McLee was nearby when the crash happened.
“Daylan actually said, ‘I’m not going to let him die,’” Kolencik told the TV station. “There’s just no words to describe, you know.”
Several of Officer Jay Hanley’s relatives had thanked McLee on social media Sunday and Monday, noting the officer was undergoing surgery after the crash for a serious leg injury.
McLee said Hanley’s sister had called to thank him, along with a handful of officers and even the police chief.
The 31-year-old said it wasn’t a complicated decision to help another human being. But even some of his close friends wondered if he hesitated because of his previous interactions with a few law enforcement officers.
“No. There is value in every human life. We are all children of God and I can’t imagine just watching anyone burn,” he said. “No matter what other people have done to me, or other officers, I thought, ‘this guy deserves to make it home safely to his family.’”
McLee filed a lawsuit in late 2018 against four Pennsylvania State Police troopers for wrongful arrest after he spent a year in jail related to a March 2016 fight outside an American Legion bar.
McLee had rushed to the bar in Dunbar, Pennsylvania, after his sister called saying she needed a ride home because she had been drinking and a fight had broken out. When McLee arrived, he disarmed a man who was standing in the parking lot with a gun and threw the weapon aside.
At least one trooper fired shots at McLee as he fled. The trooper said McLee pointed a weapon at him twice, but security footage showed McLee disarming the man, discarding the gun quickly and fleeing when shots were fired.
McLee, a Black man with tattoos visible on his neck and arms and twisted dreads that reach below his chin, spent a year in jail before a jury acquitted him on the charges after reviewing the video. That was a year away from his children, and a year away from his mother, who was ill at the time. She passed away last year.
McLee had another run-in with officers a few months ago, when he ran from a porch gathering after officers in plain clothes and vests approached with guns drawn. He said they did not announce they were officers, and he stopped running and put his hands behind his head when they yelled they were police.
He said he was charged with fleeing and resisting arrest, but said during that arrest an officer kicked him in the face through a fence, splitting his lip. He said the use of force was caught on a security camera and he plans to fight the charges.
But McLee stressed forgiveness, saying he couldn’t blame every police officer for bad interactions he had with any others.
“We need to work on our humanity... that’s the main problem of this world. We’re stuck on how to get up or to get even, and that is not how I was raised to be. You learn, you live, you move on and I was always taught to forgive big,” he said. “You can’t base every day of your life off of one interaction you have with one individual.”
McLee’s attorney Alec Wright said he isn’t surprised his client acted quickly and without being jaded.
“Over the course of his life, Daylan McLee has had multiple, unjustified encounters with police officers just because of the color of his skin,” Wright said. “Those encounters make him the perfect candidate to hate and resent the police. But, that is not Daylan... The answer is not to disregard human life; the answer is to accept it for all that it is. That is Daylan.”
Police said the officer McLee helped rescue was flown to a hospital in West Virginia where he underwent surgery and is recovering. McLee said he realized after the crash that he had spoken to Hanley maybe three weeks earlier when the officer was on patrol.
“I realized after, that I’d seen him. He speaks to people; he says hello; he isn’t an officer that harasses anybody. He commented to me about the heat was coming for us,” he said.
McLee has a 13-year-old son, Avian, who he is trying to teach not to judge anyone for the color of their skin, for the job they hold or for what other people might say about them, but to instead look at people as individuals.
“Some people may think I look intimidating... and I can’t hate the trooper who shot at me for what he doesn’t know,” McLee said.
“I don’t want to be called a hero. I just want to be known as an individual who is an upstanding man. No matter... what or where, just an upstanding person,” he added. “And I hope (that trooper) sees this and knows he’s forgiven.”
Uniontown police would not comment Monday on the crash or McLee’s actions, saying questions should be directed to Pennsylvania State Police who are investigating the crash. Phone calls and emails to a Troop B spokesman were not returned.
See, I see it the same way you do, only in the opposite direction. I think saying things like Daman's and PS's earlier in the thread ("Trump era", this is what happens when you have Trump... and stuff like that) really cheapens and oversimplifies the whole conversation around racism. Racism preceded (and some argue was a cause of) Trump. Not the other way around.
Are you saying that Trump doesn't stoke the flames of hate?
Not at all. I'm saying flames have to already be there in order to stoke them.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Belittling my opinions by saying I want to solve things by hugging or singing Kumbayah might win you points w/some folks, but they are inaccurate descriptors. I'm not about hugging. I am about respecting one another and treating other groups fairly.
Let me know when that starts coming from the top down. You see, Trump doesn't do that. His ardent supporters refuse to do that.
Yet you expect more from some than you do others. I'm a fight fire with fire kind of guy. I won't be getting any warm, fuzzy feelings until Trump leaves office.
This isn't about typical Republicans verses Democrats ideas. Ideas are something you can debate and discuss. Our nation has been infested with an entire new level of nastiness. When a person spits in my face I'm not going to play Mr. Nice guy. It sounds like you need to send your ideas to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. See how that works out for you and get back to me.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
No, he is saying there hate crimes against blacks long before Trump entered the office. I also think that trying to blame every single incident on Trump actually weakens the idea that we still have a long way to go in improving race relations.
So now it's be nice and don't blame Trump for the current atmosphere his words incite to an even higher level? Wow!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I think/hope you're being deliberately obtuse... but oh well.
Hold him accountable for what he's actually done. Don't blame things that existed prior to his presidency on him. It's not that hard.
Per the article I posted earlier, hate crimes are up since Donald Trump took office. They have gone back up to the pre-Obama levels (the last couple years before 2008).
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
He has fanned the flames. Racism existed long before Trump. It's actually been a sad American tradition. But adding fuel to the fire has caused it to increase. Your own numbers reflect precisely that.
What your numbers show is that a sense of calm can help a situation. A sense of chaos increases it.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
No, he is saying there hate crimes against blacks long before Trump entered the office. I also think that trying to blame every single incident on Trump actually weakens the idea that we still have a long way to go in improving race relations.
So now it's be nice and don't blame Trump for the current atmosphere his words incite to an even higher level? Wow!
No kidding. All trump and his supporters can do is project their every flaw onto others. It’s disgustingly weak and cowardly.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Wasn't sure where to put this, but this is a great story. I think the dude is a hero even if he says he isn't.
Quote:
Man wronged in past by police saves officer from burning car
CLAUDIA LAUER Associated PressJune 23, 2020, 1:25 AM EDT
There was a boom, then the house shook. Daylan McLee thought for a minute it might have been a small earthquake until a relative came running inside to say there had been a car crash involving a police cruiser outside the apartment in Uniontown, Pennsylvania, about 45 miles south of Pittsburgh.
McLee ran outside and pulled an officer from the mangled patrol car as flames began to spread into the cabin. Police officials and others have credited McLee with saving the officer’s life after the Sunday evening crash.
“I don’t know what came across me, but I ripped the door open and just pulled him to safety across the street,” McLee said Monday.
Protests over police brutality following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis that have gripped the nation for weeks have laid bare tensions between police and the communities they serve, exposing grave mistrust by civilians, and frustration by law enforcement officers who say they are being painted with too broad a brush. But for McLee, the issue broke through the larger questions on race and policing; it was about saving a life.
Uniontown Police Lt. Thomas Kolencik’s voice cracked as he told WTAE-Pittsburgh at the scene Sunday that the department was thankful McLee was nearby when the crash happened.
“Daylan actually said, ‘I’m not going to let him die,’” Kolencik told the TV station. “There’s just no words to describe, you know.”
Several of Officer Jay Hanley’s relatives had thanked McLee on social media Sunday and Monday, noting the officer was undergoing surgery after the crash for a serious leg injury.
McLee said Hanley’s sister had called to thank him, along with a handful of officers and even the police chief.
The 31-year-old said it wasn’t a complicated decision to help another human being. But even some of his close friends wondered if he hesitated because of his previous interactions with a few law enforcement officers.
“No. There is value in every human life. We are all children of God and I can’t imagine just watching anyone burn,” he said. “No matter what other people have done to me, or other officers, I thought, ‘this guy deserves to make it home safely to his family.’”
McLee filed a lawsuit in late 2018 against four Pennsylvania State Police troopers for wrongful arrest after he spent a year in jail related to a March 2016 fight outside an American Legion bar.
McLee had rushed to the bar in Dunbar, Pennsylvania, after his sister called saying she needed a ride home because she had been drinking and a fight had broken out. When McLee arrived, he disarmed a man who was standing in the parking lot with a gun and threw the weapon aside.
At least one trooper fired shots at McLee as he fled. The trooper said McLee pointed a weapon at him twice, but security footage showed McLee disarming the man, discarding the gun quickly and fleeing when shots were fired.
McLee, a Black man with tattoos visible on his neck and arms and twisted dreads that reach below his chin, spent a year in jail before a jury acquitted him on the charges after reviewing the video. That was a year away from his children, and a year away from his mother, who was ill at the time. She passed away last year.
McLee had another run-in with officers a few months ago, when he ran from a porch gathering after officers in plain clothes and vests approached with guns drawn. He said they did not announce they were officers, and he stopped running and put his hands behind his head when they yelled they were police.
He said he was charged with fleeing and resisting arrest, but said during that arrest an officer kicked him in the face through a fence, splitting his lip. He said the use of force was caught on a security camera and he plans to fight the charges.
But McLee stressed forgiveness, saying he couldn’t blame every police officer for bad interactions he had with any others.
“We need to work on our humanity... that’s the main problem of this world. We’re stuck on how to get up or to get even, and that is not how I was raised to be. You learn, you live, you move on and I was always taught to forgive big,” he said. “You can’t base every day of your life off of one interaction you have with one individual.”
McLee’s attorney Alec Wright said he isn’t surprised his client acted quickly and without being jaded.
“Over the course of his life, Daylan McLee has had multiple, unjustified encounters with police officers just because of the color of his skin,” Wright said. “Those encounters make him the perfect candidate to hate and resent the police. But, that is not Daylan... The answer is not to disregard human life; the answer is to accept it for all that it is. That is Daylan.”
Police said the officer McLee helped rescue was flown to a hospital in West Virginia where he underwent surgery and is recovering. McLee said he realized after the crash that he had spoken to Hanley maybe three weeks earlier when the officer was on patrol.
“I realized after, that I’d seen him. He speaks to people; he says hello; he isn’t an officer that harasses anybody. He commented to me about the heat was coming for us,” he said.
McLee has a 13-year-old son, Avian, who he is trying to teach not to judge anyone for the color of their skin, for the job they hold or for what other people might say about them, but to instead look at people as individuals.
“Some people may think I look intimidating... and I can’t hate the trooper who shot at me for what he doesn’t know,” McLee said.
“I don’t want to be called a hero. I just want to be known as an individual who is an upstanding man. No matter... what or where, just an upstanding person,” he added. “And I hope (that trooper) sees this and knows he’s forgiven.”
Uniontown police would not comment Monday on the crash or McLee’s actions, saying questions should be directed to Pennsylvania State Police who are investigating the crash. Phone calls and emails to a Troop B spokesman were not returned.
Some may read this as a feel good article, but I just see it as racism illustrated, or if not rasism, at least hate for the police illustrated.
Sure the opening title defines the one party as "Man wronged in past by police" it doesn't just say "Man", or Person, or even Hero,
but to define the one person as "Man wronged in past by police" Sure sets a tone as police are bad, others are good,
But so doing won't appear as even favoritism, prejudice, or other to some readers.
2ndly. 2 Statements don't agree with each other in this article, (McLee's attorney Alec Wright) "Over the course of his life Daylon McLee has had multiple, unjustified encounters with police officers just becauase of the color of his skin. Wright said. ( The bolded part is an unprovable assumption) ^Which is a totally inflammatory statement and accusation of skin color prejudice as an assumption, accusing all police officers.
( at this time, I'm not surprised when I read this story comes from the associated press)
But his above statement , cannot agree with the next statement. (because it's in contradiction, and comes from his attorney)
McLee has a 13 year old son Avian, who he is trying to teach not to judge anyone for the color of their skin, for the job they hold, or for what other people might say about them, but to instead look at people as individuals
Then there is this comment. "The answer is not to disregard human life, the answer is to accept it for all that it is"
But constantly now, (it's not even increasingly , that may have been the case 25 years ago, but it's a constant now)
Constantly if that life resides in white skin it is called racist, called bad, guilty of something, asked or demanded to celebrate the black skin of others, to (now suddenly asked to kneel to the BLM movement at parades) to basicly figuratively kiss the ring of black folks, in the name of ending racism, and equality.
But it's very racist to young white children, to tell young white children they are racists and bygots simply for being born with that skin color, no matter how much denying any prejucdice might be practiced, to the extent to not even see color in individuals
(For decades you've heard white people publicly say the ole phrase, Black, white, red, yellow, green, blue, but it's not good enough, the affront of racism is still assigned to anyone with white skin no matter of their actions.)
And it's advertised, and perpetrated in The Press, The Democrat party, and The Acedemic establishment, Colleges, all the way down to pre-Kindergarten education.
And not only if that life "The answer is not to disregard human life, the answer is to accept it for all that it is." If it resides in white skin, must not only have No identity, but if there is any kind of identity:
That must be labeled "Hate" , the most vile kind, and thousands, literally thousands of blacks and whites will gather to demand that this (disgusting hate) (white identity) must be stamped out, because there is no place for it in America.
Which is what you have at the unite the right rally in 2017.
Yet, we'll see constantly the white individual asked, do you support the black individual, do you celebrate the black individual, do you appreciate, celebrate, uplift, or endorse the culture of the black individual while ensuring the white individual cannot have any cultural identity of their own, except that which is so unjustly assigned to them from without an identity of guilty, hateful, racist.
It's even portrayed on Saturday night live, did you see what Beck Bennot said on Saturday night live, in a sketch with Leslie Jones? with excitement he said, " I finaly found out who I can play, A racist! and A racist who gained 20 pounds!
These are the role models, these are the things young children with white skin have to be exposed to if they experience culture in America.
But each of us knows diversity and equality will never include the white, because they are told they already have some advantage.
Soo we have the message of the article, (read between the lines)
the message is, (Even though this is a police officer, and no matter his or her skin color, by virtue of being a police officer, an obvious hateful, unjust, individual guilty of harassing people with black skin,
even so..., it is a heroic thing to save their life, you know, because obviously the first thought would be not to, but overcome that because, you know, humanity.
That is the message of this article,
Pat this guy on the head, because he did right in the moment, to save life (even in spite of it being a police officer, which the message of the article would portray as somehow lesser.)
So I find the entirety of the message of the article, as anti police at least, if not racist, which is unknown, because the race of the police officer is not offered, even though there is an understood consensous that, overall, there are more whites on police forces.
Others, may read it as some feel good story! I note that it comes from the AP, Associated Press.
He fanned the flames and the numbers increased up to what they were prior to Obama. So while he has set the country back, we're not all the way back to 1950. Once he's gone we can start to heal and make progress once again.
One thing that struck me when I read that article and looked at that graph.... There was a sharp drop once Obama took office. You would think that racists (folks that would commit a hate crime) would be all bent out of shape to see him in office which should lead to an increase. It didn't.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I didn't say we were "back to 1950". I'm also not saying some wouldn't like us to be. I'm not sure of the exact time line that people are referencing when they say MAGA. It could be pre 1860 for all I know. But by saying the word "again" that means you don't think it's great now. So there seem to be a lot of people who want to go back to some previous point in history.
So you're only point of contention is actually how much he fanned the flames. Not if he is actually fanning them? Do I have that right?
White nationalist hate groups have grown 55% in Trump era, report finds
No, he is saying there hate crimes against blacks long before Trump entered the office. I also think that trying to blame every single incident on Trump actually weakens the idea that we still have a long way to go in improving race relations.
So now it's be nice and don't blame Trump for the current atmosphere his words incite to an even higher level? Wow!
Holy Jeebus. You need to work on your paraphrasing skills.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Constantly if that life resides in white skin it is called racist, called bad, guilty of something, asked or demanded to celebrate the black skin of others, to (now suddenly asked to kneel to the BLM movement at parades) to basicly figuratively kiss the ring of black folks, in the name of ending racism, and equality.
I'm truly sorry you feel that way. I don't get why you feel that way, I think you are misconstruing or not hearing the right message. But I doubt any of us on the Dawgtalkers PFF board are going to sway you at this point.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
FBi completedt its investigation Not a noose, not the target of a hate crime, and wasn't Wallace himself that found it, It was the Garage door pull rope, fashioned like a noose
to make it easier to pull down, and camera suggest could have been as early as last fall.
I don't Flippin know, if it's true, I'm sayin that's what the local radio is saying right now.
Typical.
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