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Before we draft Brady, I said I was a Brady hater.

I did not want him at pick #3, period, end of story.

We got Joe Thomas to my enjoyment.

I did say if we took Brady Quinn, and I quote myself.

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He better sit AN ENTIRE YEAR, NO EXCUSES!!!!

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I hold to that. Derek Anderson has been a pleasant surprise, but even if we were 0-6, I would say NO TO QUINN!!!!!

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I hold to that. Derek Anderson has been a pleasant surprise,

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yes he has....He has`nt started that many games....But one thing....He has`nt never quit !......Brady may be the answere...But what would people say if he had the same amount of starts with the same record ?

I know if I can "Armchair GM", and come up with a perfectly good reason we need to get Quinn in, Savage has it figured out also. We can't allow the FA period come around without knowing what direction we need to take with the QB. We will either pay Anderson to much to sit the bench, or let him go then wish we didn't. Our remaining schedule is filled with teams that will make teams interested in Anderson. Those that are going to WHEN Quinn goes in this year don't, Quinn playing is in the teams best interest. God I love Anderson now, he is going to force Brady onto the field with good play. Didn't see that one coming.

Put in Brady...and the team starts to lose due to a rookie QB...Then what ?

So Diam...What ya want...see your stud boy come in....The Browns are playing good ball....So lets put in a rookie....and keep going at .500.....No way...There`s a thing called progress...and thats happening right now....Think about it...DA is getting wins against decent teams.....

I saw alot of mistakes from DA and the receivers....But I don`t see a reason to change now....That time may come....But right now the team is belieing in themselves...

What cracks me up is Brady lovers want him to come in after a weaker schedule...Pittsburg is really the only tough team we will face...And the Ravens are beating weak west coast teams......Could`nt beat us...did they ?

BQ interview coming up in a few minutes on ESPN NEWS.

*LOL* ... well your wait is over .. KIND OF ...

Been sick as a dog while preparing to go out of town tommorow for 10 days ... not a good combo ...

haven't even watched the game ... but from what i understand from people i trust .. DA PLAYED A GREAT GAME ... good for him .. CONGRATS DA ... GOOD JOB ......

with that out of the way .... I still want and think playing BQ is the smart thing to do in week 8 against the lambs ... its not going to happen and u wont hear me whining or crying about it as i understand .. don't agree but understand ..

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I read that your under the weather. I hope you get to feeling better. That excuses the above comment

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I ain't that sick .. *L*

I BELIEVE BQ gives us thebest chance to win today .. NOW ...

I am however to sick (and don't have enough time ) to xplain it to U AGAIN ...

when's the last time the pond waters been changed??

Ya .. one game changed everything ... its all better now .....

Well I have been harder on Crennel and I am changing. The Anderson move was right although I disagreed at the time. The real credit doesn't go to the QB...this is still a team game and now we are starting to have a real team so don't forget that the QB starts the process and the rest finish, The GM HC and players are the right mix for success maybe not great but better and I have to give Savage credit for strating the process and Crennel credit for having faith. Quinn also benefits so we do have progress...did you noticce no team controversy no questioning plays and no problems with getting the ball. Finally a team...I hope it continues.

Why would you make a change in an offense that is top 5 in the NFL in scoring- including the egg they laid under Frye game one. You take that game away and this team has put up numbers. They have a shot at the playoffs. We couldn't even utter those words at any point of the season in previous years. It would be a stupid move. Very stupid.

Well since I have been away(from the board, not the games) attending to matrimonial matters, I am just now getting into this thread.

I have to agree 100% with something Diam said earlier.

Quinn should start if:
A) He is ready to play as he is 100% up to date on the playbook
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B) He gives us a better chance to win than Anderson.

Well personally I think that it definitely has to be a both or no go situation. If he satisfies A but not B, then we are officiallty saying that we are giving up on the season. If he satisfies B but not A....Well it could have been argued that he satisfied that for game #1....But Lets forget that for now...If he satisfies B but not A...We can do more harm to him than good.

so what is the situation now?????

Does Brady satisfy A???....Well I don't think we can 100% say that he is up do date on every play in the book. After all we are not in the know and sitting in on all of the players meetings and practices. But I think all of the educated guesses that say "yes" would not be far off. I think he is about as caught up with the terminology, plays and reads as any QB on this team...

IMO I think he is ready to play in that respect. But I have nothing concrete to back it up aside from the information we know about Brady and his make up....and the words from his mouth saying he is all caught up...I also have not heard anything to contradict this opinion of mine from anyone in the organization.

So the feeling is Yes for situation A....

Does Brady satisfy situation B???? I think this is the sticking point. I think it is absolutely correct in saying that the Offense under Anderson has done far better than we could have ever hoped it could after the Steelers game. Does Anderson make mistakes??? Absolutely....as do all QB's....Did some of those mistakes cost the Browns Wins.....Not entirely on their own, but it could be said that better QB play could have brought about at least 1 more win. Is the offense the part of this team that is holding this team back??? Absolutely not.

Now sticking Brady in to some of these Questions or variations of....Will Brady make mistakes??? Absolutely...possibly more than Anderson until he adjusts to the speed of the game. Will Brady's mistakes cost the Browns wins???? It is very possible...

But the question we face now is this. How much better could Brady do in these games than DA???? Personally....at this point....I am not sure the answer is significant enough to rate Brady as satisfying situation B.

Because as bad as some want to make DA's games to be....His play has put us in position to win games that most of us did not give us a chance in hell of winning if asked at the beginning of the year. His play...including good and bad throws and good and bad decisions have put us on the brink of 4-2.

This in NOT to say that Brady doesn't give us a better chance......If DA's play had a larger affect toward losing games instead of winning them.....I think it would be a much easier question to answer from our outside-in perspective. But since DA's play has contributed heavily towards wins(I mean really...who in their right mind would have said that this offense would have the ability to win shootouts with most if not all the teams) I think this question can only be answered from an inside perspective. Which is something that we will never truely have...even those that have "sources" are getting information that is based upon anothers perspective(albeit inside) and not their own.

The questions that need to be asked in order to determine situation B are this....
How will the team chemistry react to a change in QB when considering the play of Derrick Anderson????You have a lot of guy's rallying to Andersons cause and deservedly so. I think a change could possibly have more harm if the players feel the move is unjustified.

Will an improved play(assuming it is an improved play) on offense win more games with a defense that is like a sieve? Sure we might score more points....or we may not as we give the opponents longer fields to take more time off the clock giving us less time with the ball. Even if we score more points on offense...there is no guarantee that it will bring more wins. The offense or QB has not been the biggest problem in our losses.....

Does DA have more to show us in his play or has he progressed as far as he can? I thought there was an easy answer to this one but I think he has gone farther than most thought..so who really knows from our perspective.

Is the timing right to make the switch??? Frm an outside in perspective it is easy to say that this is good timing....We give him 2 weeks to gameplan for a weaker team....We are out of the forrest of the Heaviest D's in our schedule....It seems to be good timing for Brady....But is it good timing for the Browns??? DA is coming off a very good game and has gotten us to a point no one could have predicted....his play muddies the water a bit.

I am not a huge fan of DA. Except mainly in comparison with Charlie ...He is doing exactly what this offense needed. He is being decisive and he is getting the ball out on time. The OLine Play is helped because of that and so the OLine is able to give back and give more time to DA when needed. Could we have better play that what DA has given us??? I think so...would it make much differnce in the Win column.....I am not so sure it would.

For me I can't make a knowledgeable decision on whether or not Brady gives this team a better chance to win from this outside-in perspective. Anything I say would be a guess and not much of an educated one. I think that in order to make this decision....you would have to see how the practices went, how the meetings went, how the film breakdown goes....and importantly, how the team reacts to each of these under each QB as well. And that is just something that we cannot get from our perspective.

Actually...I think it is a blessing that this is a debate at all....

First off Pete,, Welcome back (to the board) and congrats on the wedding... Be happy!

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Quinn should start if:
A) He is ready to play as he is 100% up to date on the playbook
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B) He gives us a better chance to win than Anderson.

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Who knows if Quinn is ready? Wait,, let me answer that,, RAC and Chud and his teammates should know!

Who knows if Quinn gives us a better chance to win? Wait, let me answer that,, RAC and Chud and his teammates should know!

By the way, when I say teammates, I'm including DA in that mix.

Here's the problem, if all they have is a belief or gut feel that Quinn is ready and can give us a better chance to win,, and everyone isn't on the same page, then is that enough to risk team chemistry?

Probably not! IMO anyway. Remember, this is coming from a guy (me) that wants to see our shiny new 1st rounder play.. I want to get on with his career already..

But I'm also concerned about team chemistry..... Right now, even the most critical of fans have to admit,, the Offense is doing pretty well.. Oh yea, they can point to the inconsistencies of DA or the simple yet costly mistakes he makes from time to time and say,, THAT'S reason enough for a change..

But in the end, we are 3-3 largely because of DA. On top of which, you can't hang the Pittsburgh loss on him.. and while he was awful in the Oakland game, he had enough stuff to get us back into a position to win at the end. (of course, he totally screwed up in the NE game, but even the best and most experienced QB's do that from time to time)

So as much as I want to see Brady Quinn get into a game, I don't want that at the expense of team chemistry.. It really does have to be something that the entire organization,, Players, GM, Coaches, Owner,, they all have to buy in completely,, Then chemistry won't be an issue.... none at all.

Having said all of that,, DA will be a RFA after this season.. WE don't know what's going to happen with him. (there are a few possibilities) So it's only smart to get BQ some game experience..

NRTY...This board have gone to the dawgs, literally. I remember in the old days when posters on here would demand for a player to earn their starting position. Now we just give a player a position because of a MAN-CRUSH(can't even believe theres a name for such a thing). Freakin pathetic!!!

If the AIR-FORCE ANDERSON show falters then bring in the Glamor Boy. Not now.

So,, what's your point?

I don't think there was one.

Anderson Apologists?

How about,, he's doing a good job so everyone come up off his butt about it

Anerson's Anal-Retentives....

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Anerson's Anal-Retentives....

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Spelling is not the strongest part of your game I take it?

I'm sorry Damon........didn't know this was a spelling bee, but I see your quite knowing there.........too bad that doesn't apply to football where you are fairly clueless.

Ok,, clearly you can't take a joke... it's also clear where you have your head stuck.

Dude, you make a dumb comment about spelling and follow it up with a "Boo" icon...........how the hell am I supposed to take it??

psst......a joke is a smiley face and not a pissed off Boo face unless you mean for it not to be a joke.......just saying for future reference.

I'll go stick my head back up my keester (did I spell that right..lol) now..

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did I spell that right

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Nope.............

ummm...

derek droolers?

best i could think of, i cant get pork chops off my mind. can smell em from here.

maybe later ill come up with something more clever. maybe not. lol.