The difference is that you act deranged about it and they dont.
Yep, that's me, deranged... smh
OR that's the squawking libertarian putting her "stable" 2 cents in when nobody asked for it... Go vote for Gary Johnson or whatever loser the real libtards are putting up... OR vote for Trump because you love him and he's just like you... whatever you do will be less than "deranged" I'm sure...
Read your post and then tell me who is deranged. Like do you even read what you post? Would you say that to a person in real life?
[The "Peanuts Gang" gathers at the neighborhood park playground]
"Fight! Fight! Snoopy and Lucy are having a fight!"
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I'm sorry. I got my buzz on 2nite... and y'all's a trip.
I didn't watch it. I figured it would be bad. Just like I don't watch most of the videos because you can tell what the message is by just looking at who posts it. I just wish we could have balanced, rational conversations.
I do try and have them, but then I get angry by some of the BS and I go off. Like I just did. That makes me as bad as others.
Damn!
Catch 22. I used to try to be more level headed in talking to Trump supporters too... then I figured out we have so little in common in the way we think politically that it was impossible to have rational conversations on Trump. I hate him, they love him. I feel that almost everything he does is bad, they think it's all good. There is no middle with them, there is no middle with me. How do you overcome that?
Well now you know how we felt when Obama was president. Your mistake is painting people with a broad brush and assuming just because someone voted for Trump or god forbid supports the President of the United States they must be some wacko. I don't agree with everything he does but he aligns closer with my views than Biden ever would. Now if the Democrat party could field a more moderate candidate than we might have something more substantial to talk about.
You keep running your big mouth and I will share even more stories about what's real and what isn't. I tried to make this friendly. Begged you guys to stop trying to further the divide. But no, that was a bad idea. Like I said earlier, Hoss...........you wanna dance.......we'll dance.
Oh, the "Hoss you wanna dance" BS? Bonanza was canceled decades ago and you are no Cowboy. Do you even hear yourself?
Let me clue you in. There is a nationwide movement that has been joined by corporations, sports, musicians and millions of people.
Yet rather than join in and try to help "change one thing at a time", you would rather stand on your soapbox and preach.
Well you go ahead. While millions are fighting for change you sit around and complain that the change people are fighting for means nothing because it doesn't fit your priority list. That seems like all you want to do.
I'll tell you what, since you know black people better than anyone else, since you do more for the black community than anyone else, you must know how they all think and feel. Maybe not? Maybe that's why millions of them are fighting for a change that you don't see as that important.
Of course there are those among us who actually feel they know the black community better than the black community actually know themselves. I'm not on that list.
Since black communities across this nation have joined together in a cause and I'm the one supporting that cause while you are the one that seems to be undermining its importance, who is it that's furthering the divide here?
So tell your stories and explain to black communities across the nation that they are in the wrong. That it's you who knows better what they should be protesting and when. Set their priority list for them. Tell them they have more important things to fix first. Tell them you know more than they do.
Then after you're done, ask them who it is that's trying to sow division.
I am adding this because I feel it's extremely important. At this juncture I doubt you will listen because it's something I'm posting. But I really want you to consider it. You see, I'm not trying to discount the importance of everything you have listed as problems that are huge within the black community. I'm really not.
But let's be honest here. To fix any of the issues you have listed, there needs to be a foundation on which to fix them. Until such time as black communities trust and are willing to work with law enforcement, none of those issues can be addressed.
When a persons first instinct is, "what ever you do, don't call the cops", how can the problem of gang violence ever be addressed? When people feel calling the cops is more of a problem than a solution how will the scourge of heroin be wiped from the streets?
You see, only when black communities feel a sense of being protected and served by the police can other issues be addressed. It's the foundation needed to addressing all of the other issues of concern.
I don't pretend to speak for the black community. But what I have done is listen to what they are saying. And every one of the issues you have spoke of on this board are truly legitimate. I just hope you can see that the first step in solving those issues is trust and belief that they see the police as a part of the solution and not a part of the problem. First a foundation must be laid and there have to be some building blocks.
As long as the mistrust remains between law enforcement and the black community, none of these other issue will ever get better. We both know and have seen how that's been working out for decades now.
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Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I disagree w/your premise on what the foundation should be. And if this movement no longer wants the support from people like me, so be it. You,and similar-minded folks, can keep trying to convince people to see things your way by attacking them. Great strategy.
I pointed out in a rational manner why there has to be a trust factor between black communities and law enforcement in order to solve those other problems. You wish to ignore that basic principal.
What and who you support is up to you. I fully comprehend that a foundation of trust must first be built in order for law enforcement and these communities to work together. If you don't, that's not my fault.
I'm not the one who said, "You keep running your big mouth" and " Hoss...........you wanna dance.......we'll dance."
Please tell me then, how can the problems you mentioned be solved without these black communities having trust in, and working with law enforcement to solve them? Do you think the community can fix it alone without the help, trust and cooperation with law enforcement? Or do you think law enforcement alone can fix it without the help, support and trust of black communities?
Like I said, we've seen this vicious cycle fail for decades. It seems at this point you're happier just throwing stones at each other than actually discuss the points I've brought up here.
And that's fine if that's the road you wish to continue down. I can hang with you.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I also think that police brutality is pretty far down the list when it comes to identifying the problems of many black communities. Focusing on persecuting cops is just a defective device while ignoring much larger issues.
Well of course you do. That's why you keep trying to deflect the thread away from it.
You do realize I'm more concerned about the people who actually have to live under those conditions than an older white mans opinion of it don't you?
Maybe if you had to sit and wonder if your child was going to make it home safe if they get pulled over by the cops year after year you may feel differently.
So says the older white man.
This one just listens.
Your definition of listen and mine are VERY different. I'll just say that mine involves a lot less attacking posts.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
I pointed out in a rational manner why there has to be a trust factor between black communities and law enforcement in order to solve those other problems. You wish to ignore that basic principal.
What and who you support is up to you. I fully comprehend that a foundation of trust must first be built in order for law enforcement and these communities to work together. If you don't, that's not my fault.
I'm not the one who said, "You keep running your big mouth" and " Hoss...........you wanna dance.......we'll dance."
Please tell me then, how can the problems you mentioned be solved without these black communities having trust in, and working with law enforcement to solve them? Do you think the community can fix it alone without the help, trust and cooperation with law enforcement? Or do you think law enforcement alone can fix it without the help, support and trust of black communities?
Like I said, we've seen this vicious cycle fail for decades. It seems at this point you're happier just throwing stones at each other than actually discuss the points I've brought up here.
And that's fine if that's the road you wish to continue down. I can hang with you.
You win, Pit. You, and those who you are getting your messages from, don't like that I think we should compromise. Okay, that's fine. You have succeeded in driving me away. Good job.
Biden is am moderate candidate. The fact he isn't just to the right of Ronald Reagan doesn't make him a flaming liberal.
Biden is just a tool, an empty vessel for the radical left. He believes in illegal immigration, is anti 2nd amendment, wants big government, supports socialist medicine models. Yup, but let's call him moderate.
Biden is as moderate as the polls tell basement joe to be. Dude doesn't even know if he tied his shoes.
120 million dead from coronavirus, 150 million dead from guns, 750 million back to work if we only gave them an $8,000 child care credit on their taxes.
Dude's proud of his 40+ some years in govt'. Says he has a record to run on.
I'm not saying this to be mean or degrading. But....
I feel like Biden's mental capacity has degraded so much that he isn't fit for office.
I feel like the left only want him on the ballot so that he will somehow get elected and then croak and his woman VP will be president.
So the most important thing right now will be the woman VP.
I agree. The guy is lost in his mind. No way he is going to win debates, thus, we probably won't see any. The Dems will come up with some excuse.
They are the party of excuses.
Your GOP’er conspiracy theories are hilarious.
Yeah Biden and the left are planning his death so a black women can become president. Pffft trump and his supporters are so mean and still all about their white power. Pfffft. You don’t need half a brain to see Biden is 1000 times a better man then trump will ever be.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Biden is as moderate as the polls tell basement joe to be. Dude doesn't even know if he tied his shoes.
120 million dead from coronavirus, 150 million dead from guns, 750 million back to work if we only gave them an $8,000 child care credit on their taxes.
Dude's proud of his 40+ some years in govt'. Says he has a record to run on.
At least he took out corn pop.
3 years of trump with 125,000+ dead American’s and wasn’t briefed that Putin was offering bounties to kill American soldiers? He took an oath to protect us! Your boys got some splaining.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Jay-Z sparked controversy last month when it was announced Roc Nation would be embarking on a new entertainment deal with the NFL and the partnership would support social justice efforts.
Those of us who did not immediately jump to conclusions, sat back and waited to see how social justice would come into play.
Last week, Roc Nation launched a new platform called Inspire Change and signed on advocates Meek Mill and Rapsody who will perform in a free concert on September 5th to mark the NFL’s 2019 kick-off.
Just as concerns began to die down around the intentions of Roc Nation’s money moves, a clip resurfaced of Jay-Z from a January 2019 NFL panel in which he said the below on kids growing up in single-parent households:
“You think about the idea of growing up in a single-parent house - which I grew up in, which we grew up in, and having an adverse feeling for authority. Right, your fathers gone so you like, ‘I hate my dad. I don’t want nobody telling me what to do. I’m the man of the house.’ And then you hit the street and you run into a police officer and his first thing is, ‘put your hands up, freeze, shut up’ and you like - excuse my language to everybody - you like ‘**** you’. Right, so that interaction causes people to lose lives.”
A few questions come to mind when listening to Jay-Z spout his theory on police brutality. First, one has to wonder how many Black men and women (and children) who ended up dead by the hands of the police said “**** you” right before their altercation.
Eric Garner said, “I can’t breathe.” Mike Brown said, “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting.” Kenneth Chamberlain said, “Officers, why do you have your guns out?” John Crawford said, “It's not real.”
It feels a bit nearsighted to make a blanket statement about the state of minds of those who have been victimized by the police, especially when you’re a man who has referenced the police negatively. Jay-Z memorialized Sean Bell, who was shot 50 times by police officers, in his remixed version of Lil Wayne’s ‘A Milli’.
Jay-Z also founded a trust for Sean Bell’s children, so one has to assume he has some complex knowledge of how situations like this actually play out.
Sean Bell didn’t say “**** you” before dying either. It’s a bit more feasible, that any young person spouting “**** you” to a police officer is more influenced by Jay-Z’s lyrics than the absence of their father. And would Jay-Z be any more to blame than a single mother of a child who listens to his music if they’re wrongfully murdered by police?
Jay-Z is no stranger to the nuances of the streets or growing up in the hood. He’s also well-versed in growing up with a single mother and no father around to speak of. Single-parent families are not a monolith. Neither are the various mental states of Black children as they navigate their perspective of authority.
It is blanket statements and fear-building stereotypes that create disdain for police in our communities, not because we are not raised to respect authority, but because police too often approach us in ways which demean our humanity. “Put your hands up...freeze...shut up,” let’s start by asking why this is how authority figures assert themselves in the Black community.
Many celebrities and talking heads have placed blame on innocent parties when it comes to police brutality.
In 2017 retired NBA player, Charles Barkley asked the Black community to take responsibility for the nervousness police officers feel when they come into our neighborhoods trigger happy and emotionally charged. Geraldo Rivera famously blamed Hip Hop and the “us against them” mentality for the bad blood between Black youth and the police.
The narrative that seems to be missing is that blame, accountability, and responsibility should always be placed solely at the feet of those who pull the trigger, who use illegal chokeholds, who site “excessive force” as a catch all for physical abuse, who time and time get away with their antics under the guise they did what they had to do.
There is nothing necessary about shooting a civilian who is unarmed, mentally unwell, or otherwise not a lethal threat.
It is dangerous to suggest, especially in the political climate we currently exist in, that the people to blame are the ones who are oppressed. It is especially concerning to call out single-parent households, further reinforcing the stereotype that single parent homes are in anyway less valid, less supportive, less loving or less capable of raising respectful children.
As we watch this new chapter between Roc Nation and the NFL unfold, we may want to unclench our grasp of the idea that Jay-Z (or any celebrity) will be our social justice savior.
The real heroes don’t have lucrative deals with major corporations. They don’t get press releases and media coverage every time they make a statement, they risk their lives rallying against injustice and it is their actions that tend to hold slightly more weight than their words.
Jay-Z is a successful entertainer who is leveraging his resources to make a socially conscious and inclusive business choice, he is not the second coming of Martin Luther King.
Let’s just enjoy the music and keep fighting for our rights.
Basically, this is bring up what I referenced back in the other thread; namely, that each racial group's chances of getting killed by the police is directly proportional to the number of single-parent households for each group.
That fact is indisputable. Even if you lower the number of deaths by the police through policies and laws, you will never eliminate it, and it will always be disproportionately against those groups with higher numbers of single-parent households.
I'm not they only person who has brought this up...Obama has brought this up as well. However, BLM uses blanket statements like the one bolded above to discredit those opinions. Nevermind what happens to get the altercation to that point...it is ALWAYS the cops fault. I can't be the only one to find that very concerning. It is even more scary when they claim that kids are just a well off without their fathers in their lives when that has been disproven by multiple studies and statistics.
When you make arguments based on emotion, it's probably not a good argument, but that is the way our country is going. Facts and logic don't matter anymore.
I think the biggest issue with that article is that he is taking Jay-Z as literally saying they would say "** you" to the cops, when I took it as a figurative things with the attitude one would have when they interact.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
I'm not saying this to be mean or degrading. But....
I feel like Biden's mental capacity has degraded so much that he isn't fit for office.
I feel like the left only want him on the ballot so that he will somehow get elected and then croak and his woman VP will be president.
So the most important thing right now will be the woman VP.
I agree. The guy is lost in his mind. No way he is going to win debates, thus, we probably won't see any. The Dems will come up with some excuse.
They are the party of excuses.
Your GOP’er conspiracy theories are hilarious.
Yeah Biden and the left are planning his death so a black women can become president. Pffft trump and his supporters are so mean and still all about their white power. Pfffft. You don’t need half a brain to see Biden is 1000 times a better man then trump will ever be.
An apparently crazy President has advantages. His being mad enough to go nuclear probably gives foreign countries pause.
With Biden, the only thing they'd have to worry about is him wanting to nuzzle their children.
Trump is a despicable human being, but that doesn't mean I want to watch Dumb and Dumber: White House edition part 2.
How hard is it to find an intelligent, under ~55, moderate politician?
Trump? Biden? Both parties are pathetic and need to start over from scratch if these are the best options they can give the people.
But, then, maybe these are the candidates people want/deserve... Or they're just too busy fighting to notice how utterly terrible both are.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I'm not saying this to be mean or degrading. But....
I feel like Biden's mental capacity has degraded so much that he isn't fit for office.
I feel like the left only want him on the ballot so that he will somehow get elected and then croak and his woman VP will be president.
So the most important thing right now will be the woman VP.
I agree. The guy is lost in his mind. No way he is going to win debates, thus, we probably won't see any. The Dems will come up with some excuse.
They are the party of excuses.
Your GOP’er conspiracy theories are hilarious.
Yeah Biden and the left are planning his death so a black women can become president. Pffft trump and his supporters are so mean and still all about their white power. Pfffft. You don’t need half a brain to see Biden is 1000 times a better man then trump will ever be.
I don't think anybody is going to kill him. The Secret Service is pretty good at what they do. I would he horrified if he or any President was killed. Can you say the same?
I do think it possible he is deemed mentally incompetent and he steps down, either by his decree or legislative action.
We really haven't faced that, at least in my days. President Eisenhower had a heart attack and VP Nixon gained more up front power, but in the end, everybody but maybe 500 people in the country Liked Ike. He won WWII. Everybody liked, or at least respected the man. How could you not?
I was a teen when President Kennedy was assassinated. Horrible, and I leaned right then, but everybody knew this wasn't good. I guess that is why you don't see Presidents driven around in open, convertible limos anymore.
We have to find a way to where even if we disagree, we respect each other. It's the only way our Republic of United States is going to survive.
Let me make a correction. Back then it wasn't really left leaning or right leaning politics. It was simply Democrat or Republican. We may have had different views on how to get there, but the goal was always to advance America. We were all still somewhat middle ground.
The divide in this country has gotten pretty wide.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I do think it possible he (Biden) is deemed mentally incompetent and he steps down, either by his decree or legislative action.
Not saying Biden is a good candidate, I don't believe he is ... but I think if anyone is likely to be deemed mentally incompetent it would be Trump... Biden as old and fragile as his ability to talk on a subject might be, is still miles ahead of where Trump's ability to articulate a coherent thought is (unless he's attacking someone or calling people names - then he gets on a roll).
Let us not forget unedited, verbatim words of Trump:
President Trump was a phone-in guest on a show hosted by Fox News’ Brian Kilmeade
Kilmeade : This is the one stat I’m going to bring you to, and I’m going to ask you if could attack this.
According to a Axios-Ipsos poll, 70 percent of white Americans say they trust the local police. Only 36 percent of African Americans do. How do you attack that problem? How do you change things?
Trump: Well I think it’s a very sad problem. As you know, as a Republican I’m doing very well with African Americans and with the vote with the — in polls and everything — especially, I mean, I haven’t seen one very recently because you had the plague come in from China.
So that changed things up, but we had the best economy ever. We had the best numbers for African-American on employment and unemployment in history. Best homeownership — best everything. We had the best numbers in everything — not only African-American, but the African-American numbers were great.
Kilmeade: How do you handle the law enforcement part?
Trump: Well, I think you have to get better.
Kilmeade: How do you handle the law enforcement part of this?
Trump: They have to get better than what they’ve been doing. I mean obviously that was a terrible thing. And I’ve spoken about it numerous times in various speeches. And what’s interesting is I spoke about it when we launched a very successful rocket — a tremendous program that culminated on that day and obviously it goes on from there.
But I then made a speech and it was a speech about the rocket, and I devoted 25 percent of the speech probably to what happened — or more — to what happened with respect to George — George Floyd, and it was — and then you listen to this, he doesn’t talk about George Floyd. The rocket went off, I then I made a speech, and I talked about George Floyd, but they said he didn’t talk about George Floyd.
Half — maybe even almost half of the speech, but a large portion of the speech was devoted exactly to that. And so, you know, with — with the media you basically — and basically no matter what you do, it’s never going to be good enough. But the people understand it.
Kilmeade: Right.
Trump: And that’s one of the beauties of social media. I mean, I would love not to even bother with social media, but I’m able to get my word out beautifully by social media, fortunately. You use social media too.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Please tell me then, how can the problems you mentioned be solved without these black communities having trust in, and working with law enforcement to solve them? Do you think the community can fix it alone without the help, trust and cooperation with law enforcement? Or do you think law enforcement alone can fix it without the help, support and trust of black communities?
I'm hoping for this to inspire a productive response.
You can't have trust if you don't have unity in purpose. You can't have unity in purpose if the stakeholders don't have priorities that are aligned.
Right now you can't even get the police and the citizens of some neighborhoods to agree that the goal is safer, less violent neighborhoods.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
is anti 2nd amendment, wants big government, supports socialist medicine models. Yup, but let call him moderate.
People like you are almost not even worth bothering with. I didn't know allowing everyone to "buy into healthcare" was a socialist model. Biden himself is a gun owner. And securing your border with technology instead of a wall isn't being for open borders. It's just a different way of securing them.
I know you think all regulations mean "big government". But at one time the Cuyahoga River was on fire. Until "big government" helped fix that. But since ya'll want to MAGA maybe we can go back to that time?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Please tell me then, how can the problems you mentioned be solved without these black communities having trust in, and working with law enforcement to solve them? Do you think the community can fix it alone without the help, trust and cooperation with law enforcement? Or do you think law enforcement alone can fix it without the help, support and trust of black communities?
I'm hoping for this to inspire a productive response.
You can't have trust if you don't have unity in purpose. You can't have unity in purpose if the stakeholders don't have priorities that are aligned.
Right now you can't even get the police and the citizens of some neighborhoods to agree that the goal is safer, less violent neighborhoods.
I had hoped it would lead to something productive as well. The response was anything but.
However, it seems obvious to me that there are two sides of the coin you proposed. There are certainly reasons why the black community does not trust law enforcement. And before we go down the rabbit hole, let me state that I believe the vast majority of police officers do a great job. I do have a problem with the fact that many officers cover for,or refuse to report the actions of the bad ones though. I find it hard to call those who do that, "good police officers".
I think it would be impossible to claim that the vast majority of blacks in this country do not want "safer neighborhoods". Just as with police officers there's no "one size fits all". And I won't argue the point that the media often times focuses on the worst while ignoring the best.
The problem is until there becomes a level of trust between these communities and the police, nothing will change. I do believe that having police of color that are actually from the community patrolling that same community is helpful. But I also understand that you can only hire from the applicants that apply and not every applicant is qualified for the job.
But I find it hard for anyone to argue that if there could be a level of trust built between the police and these black communities, it would be a wonderful way to begin the healing and the solution to many of the problems we are seeing today.
Maybe we can discuss it? The last time I tried to do so the person I addressed claimed I was trying to run him off.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Right now you can't even get the police and the citizens of some neighborhoods to agree that the goal is safer, less violent neighborhoods.
I don't think that is as true as it may appear in your eyes. We both have had quite a bit of experience in working for the people in some of these lower economic communities. I think it is pretty clear they might see me as less threatening than you. That's just natural.
From my experience, I think the majority of people in those communities want safer, less-violent neighborhoods. They have some things working against them. Many at lease know of someone who was treated unfairly by the police. They see how police brutality is screaming across media land. That understandably leads to an amount of trepidation, if not outright distrust.
Another factor that hasn't been discussed yet is the retribution from the criminals if the citizens are cooperative w/law enforcement. I know from experience that many of the residents I spoke to feared what would happen if they were perceived to be a rat.
I think a lot of those citizens feel that they are trapped in horrible spot where all those around them are not going to treat them fairly or do much worse.
I DO believe that most black folks want safer neighborhoods. I DO believe that most of the folks living in those neighborhoods are good, decent people either doing the best with what they have, or sadly resigned to life just being the way it is. We as a species have thrived precisely because we are able to adapt to living in some pretty crappy situations.
But are we unified in that goal beyond words typed on a keyboard? I'm not so sure. My feeling is that there is a disconnect somewhere in there. I'm going to ruminate on this a bit more tonight before I respond further. I'm not so sure if it is because priorities aren't aligned or if its really a problem of who is representing and speaking on behalf of both groups.
Before I do go,
Oober... I do think in some respects there is a disagreement on how, but I think the greater issue is a lack of defining the role of police within those communities. I think back to an article I read shortly after the Freddie Gray incident in Baltimore. There were 2 community meetings held at the same time on opposite ends of the building. One group was raising issues about police harassing young men in the nearby hood for minor issues like hanging out and smoking a little weed. The other group, from the same neighborhood, was wondering why the police weren't doing more to clear off the corners and stoops where all the drug dealing was occurring and issues leading to fights.
Pit... I think you are hitting the nail on the head that a successful solution is going to be an integrated solution. One area that I think is grossly understated and has been is just how integrated the the problems are.
Vers... you make a good point about witnesses and victims being unwilling to come forward for fear of retaliation within their own community. That is certainly a real issue, but my feeling is that there are more who would be willing but aren't going to be outspoken about it. They need recognition but may not be getting it because that jaded, cynical, or just inexperienced cop isn't going to be able to recognize that person in the crowd as someone to approach later.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
I'm not saying this to be mean or degrading. But....
I feel like Biden's mental capacity has degraded so much that he isn't fit for office.
I feel like the left only want him on the ballot so that he will somehow get elected and then croak and his woman VP will be president.
So the most important thing right now will be the woman VP.
I agree. The guy is lost in his mind. No way he is going to win debates, thus, we probably won't see any. The Dems will come up with some excuse.
They are the party of excuses.
Your GOP’er conspiracy theories are hilarious.
Yeah Biden and the left are planning his death so a black women can become president. Pffft trump and his supporters are so mean and still all about their white power. Pfffft. You don’t need half a brain to see Biden is 1000 times a better man then trump will ever be.
I don't think anybody is going to kill him. The Secret Service is pretty good at what they do. I would he horrified if he or any President was killed. Can you say the same?
I do think it possible he is deemed mentally incompetent and he steps down, either by his decree or legislative action.
We really haven't faced that, at least in my days. President Eisenhower had a heart attack and VP Nixon gained more up front power, but in the end, everybody but maybe 500 people in the country Liked Ike. He won WWII. Everybody liked, or at least respected the man. How could you not?
I was a teen when President Kennedy was assassinated. Horrible, and I leaned right then, but everybody knew this wasn't good. I guess that is why you don't see Presidents driven around in open, convertible limos anymore.
We have to find a way to where even if we disagree, we respect each other. It's the only way our Republic of United States is going to survive.
Let me make a correction. Back then it wasn't really left leaning or right leaning politics. It was simply Democrat or Republican. We may have had different views on how to get there, but the goal was always to advance America. We were all still somewhat middle ground.
The divide in this country has gotten pretty wide.
Stop supporting trump and poo pooing his despicable behavior and the divide will thin.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
I worry for you that when Trump is out of office, you will have a giant hole in your life. You'll slowly lose the ability to blame/turn everything into a Trump argument.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
I worry for you that when Trump is out of office, you will have a giant hole in your life. You'll slowly lose the ability to blame/turn everything into a Trump argument.
trump and his supporters are a cancer to US. Don’t you worry bout me.. I pray for the day.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
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Pffft trump and his supporters are so mean and still all about their white power. Pfffft. You don’t need half a brain to see Biden is 1000 times a better man then trump will ever be.
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I pray for the day. 
