Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
V
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Quote:
'Tired of burying our children': 4 toddlers shot in Chicago amid surge in gun violence

Grace Hauck, USA TODAY

USA TODAYJuly 2, 2020, 5:20 PM EDT

CHICAGO – Four toddlers have been shot in the past two weeks during what has been one of the deadliest periods in Chicago's history of violence against children, sparking community outrage over a lack of accountability and a long history of disinvestment in Black and brown neighborhoods.

"What was called the Windy City is now turning into the Bloody City. If we don’t stop this, then Chicago’s going to become known as not a safe place for children. Once that happens, we’ve lost the soul of our city," said Rev. Michael Pfleger, an anti-gun violence activist and priest at Saint Sabina Church in the South Side Auburn Gresham neighborhood.

"I've been here 45 years, and I’ve never seen the meshing together of hopelessness, despair and anger all together at this level. Because of that, we have the fallout of unacceptable behavior," Pfleger said.

More than 100 people were shot over Father's Day weekend, including at least 12 minors, five of whom died, according to data maintained by the Chicago Sun-Times. The Sun-Times weekend totals include incidents that happen on Mondays, while Chicago police weekend totals do not.


Jasean Francis, 17, and Charles Riley, 16, were fatally shot that Saturday evening in South Chicago, according to police. About an hour later, Mekhi James, 3, was fatally shot while sitting in the backseat of his father's car in Austin. Amaria Jones, 13, was fatally shot inside her South Austin home while showing her mother a TikTok dance, according to family. Michael Ike, 15, was fatally shot in Smith Park. That Monday, another 3-year-old girl was also shot in Chicago Lawn.

"Our city's collective heart breaks to hear the unfathomable news of a 3-year-old boy who was shot and killed tonight on Chicago's West Side," Mayor Lori Lightfoot wrote on Twitter. "There are simply no words to describe such a heinous, unconscionable act of cowardice to shoot at a toddler."

James had been returning home from getting a haircut, according to Cynthia Williams, CEO of The Austin People's Action Center.

"I heard the gunshots ringing out, thinking they were fireworks – never did I imagine that one of those bullets took the life of a 3-year-old innocent baby," Williams said in a statement. "I cannot get the sound of those gunshots out of my head."

Jones was the youngest of five children and wanted to be a lawyer, according to her family. West Side Pastor Ira Acree was expected to deliver Jones' eulogy Friday.

"She had vision. She had ambition. And she was able to see beyond the challenges of her own immediate context. She wanted to be a lawyer and showed promise in school," Acree said. "But her life was taken away. The hope thief came and took her away before she really began to live."

The violence continued last weekend – when more than 63 people were shot, 16 of them fatally – and into this week, according to the Sun-Times tracker.

On Saturday, Sincere Gaston, 20 months old, was shot and killed while riding in a car with his mother on the way home from the laundromat. Hours later, Lena Nunez, 10, was killed by a stray bullet that went through her grandmother’s apartment window in Logan Square. Late that night, an 8-year-old girl was sitting on a couch in West Englewood when a stray bullet came through the window and grazed her head.

"The pain of losing a child never goes away," Lightfoot said on Twitter Saturday. "As a mother, I am tired of the funerals. I am tired of burying our children."

The mayor wrote that it's "on all of us to double down on our all-hands-on-deck public safety efforts" and to work with police officers, street outreach teams, trauma support workers, community and faith-based partners.

Gaston's father is a member of Chicago CRED, one of the many community organizations working to combat gun violence in the city.

"The heartbreaking murder of a one-year-old child whose father is in our program is forcing us to reflect on just how broken our society has become. The economy, the criminal justice system, and the community have all failed this innocent child and far too many others caught in the cross-fire of gun violence," Chicago CRED said in a statement.

The violence continued this week. On Tuesday night, a 3-year-old girl was playing in a yard in West Englewood when she was shot in the chest as a gunman in a passing car opened fire, minutes after a 15-year-old boy was shot blocks away.

Earlier in June, a 9-year-old girl was among four people shot in Auburn Gresham, and a 5-year-old boy was shot in the buttocks in Back of the Yards.


Ken Johnson, Director of Programs for I Grow Chicago, a group working to address the root causes of violence, said he visited the home of the wounded 8-year-old on Wednesday, the girl's ninth birthday, to deliver some food and a gift. When he arrived at the home, he could hear people singing "happy birthday" inside, Johnson said. The girl came to the door to greet him.

"Upon leaving the home, I thought about how frighteningly close this family came to possibly not being able to sing that particular song today and how many families will not be able to laugh and celebrate their loved ones after these past two violent weekends," Johnson said.

Family and community members have decried the lack of arrests in the murders. Jones' mother, Lawanda, is calling for her killer to turn themselves in. Two $25,000 rewards are are being offered for information that leads to arrests in the James and Gaston cases. Last week, a 19-year-old man was arrested and charged in the murder of the two teen boys killed over Father's Day weekend – one of the few cases to see an arrest thus far.

In advance of Fourth of July weekend, which has been historically violent, the Chicago Police Department announced plans Monday to deploy an additional 1,200 officers to "hot spots" around the city. New Police Superintendent David Brown said officers would also be arresting young people at "drug corners" in an effort to stem the surge of shootings.

"The street corner open-air drug market is the pipeline to shootings and murders in Chicago," Brown said in a press conference Monday. "When they have no consequence, violence continues. Full stop."

Brown's comments spurred backlash from activists and city residents.

"That’s unacceptable," Pfleger said. "That’s the same old policing, military mentality of locking people up. No. Just do the police job they’re supposed to do. Be vigilant in the communities. But don’t take away people’s human rights by holding them in jail til Monday."

While criminal sexual assault, robbery, aggravated battery and theft are all down this year compared to the same time last year, murder is up 34%, and shootings are up 45%, according to police data as of June 28. At least 1,364 people have been shot so far this year, and 324 people have been murdered, police report. Those numbers parallel the violence rates that Chicago saw in 2016, when the city saw an historic rise in murders.

Arrests, street stops and traffic stops all declined in June compared to the same time last year, according to police statistics. That's because fewer people have been on the streets due to the coronavirus, Brown said in the Monday press conference. While officers continued to patrol the streets, "everything else came to a stop, and these murdering, evil bastards have taken advantage of that," he said.

Officer morale has also been down in recent weeks, as a result of heightened tensions amid police brutality protests, increased confrontations involving firearms and the murders of children, First Deputy Anthony Riccio said.
'We must address the root issues'

On Wednesday, communities on the South and West sides came together to mourn the children lost and discuss how to address the surge in gun violence.

Residents of the Austin neighborhood held a discussion with faith and community leaders to brainstorm solutions. Community members in Auburn Gresham painted the words "demand justice" along the street. In Englewood, Gaston's family and community organizations came together for a vigil, where they released doves and balloons in his memory.

"The shootings, violence and deaths in communities within and outside of Englewood are the result of much more than drug/gang conflicts or the proliferation of illegal guns or criminal sentencing and bond amounts," Johnson said. "I believe that we must address the root issues that continue to plague our most challenged communities; poverty, lack of education, jobs resources and the resultant social inequality."

Anti-gun violence activists, led by Pfleger, planned to hold a rally Thursday night to "demand killings of all black lives stop."

"We believe that, number one, federal, state, county and city governments fail to give the investment and the resources that our communities need – that they’re killing us. We can’t continue to have abandoned and neglected neighborhoods that look like third-world countries," Pfleger said. "People are no longer going to tolerate this neglect, which was put in our face again with COVID-19."

More than 52,000 people have tested positive for the coronavirus in Chicago, and 2,611 have died. A USA TODAY analysis of ZIP code data found that, in Chicago and nationwide, low-income and minority communities have been disproportionately affected by the virus.

Pfleger said the activists were also demanding an end to police brutality and calling on communities to "speak out and take responsibility for our blocks."

"This July Fourth weekend, we got to start here. This has always been a bad weekend in violence. We must turn that around. The last two weekends have been absolutely horrible and unacceptable," he said. "The community must draw a line."

Chicago CRED said it planned to have hundreds of people on the streets this weekend to mediate disputes, protect families and create a "positive presence" in our neighborhoods.

"It's time to rethink public safety, refocus police on only the most violent crimes and use social service agencies and outreach workers to help address community issues," CRED said. "We hope not only to save lives this weekend but also to help steer young men at risk towards a safer path in life."

As part of her plan to invest in the city's South and West sides, Lightfoot this week announced the recipients of $11 million in grant funding to support projects in two neighborhoods. She also announced project finalists for $5.4 million in grants to small businesses; nearly 90% are minority-owned, and half are located along commercial corridors being targeted through the investment program, according to the mayor's office.

"For all of our focus on this weekend of public safety, (it) doesn't end this weekend, or this summer, or this year," Lightfoot said in a press conference Thursday. "If we are truly to reduce the epidemic of gun violence and make every neighborhood safe and secure, we need to continue working to reverse the circumstances that underpin it – the circumstances that lead people to feel like their only option is the street, gangs and drugs."

Chicago's beaches were expected to remain closed over the weekend, when temperatures could climb into the 90s, and all firework shows were cancelled.

This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: Chicago shootings: Toddlers, minors killed; communities seek solutions


https://www.yahoo.com/news/tired-burying-children-chicago-sees-194406220.html

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,481
T
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
T
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,481
Where is everybody on these tragedies going on every single day relating to black on black crime. Statistics show that the majority of African Americans are overwhelming killed by other African Americans. There's crime, gangs, bad moral character, bad actors. You want to know the cause?

The collapse of the black nuclear family, morals, character. That's where it ALL starts.

Last edited by tastybrownies; 07/02/20 06:08 PM.

Find what you love and let it kill you.

-Charles Bukowski
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
V
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
There is a lot to unpack in that article. Tons of talking points.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 16,182
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 16,182
I’ve heard that there have been more gun purchases in Illinois in 2019 then any other state based on background checks.


"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 4,066
D
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
D
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 4,066
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
I’ve heard that there have been more gun purchases in Illinois in 2019 then any other state based on background checks.


I'm hearing bits and pieces that 2020 is going to be the year with the highest gun sales in history.


"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things."
-Jack Burton

-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
It's about time liberals started arming themselves.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
V
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
The death toll in places like Chicago proves they already are. Of course, there will not be any outrage over the murders of those folks. #fakemovement

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
You keep beating the drum of Chicago like all the rest of the right wing does. You have no idea how much you resemble them these days do you?

Why don't you actually look at the murder rate per capita in American communities. It will show you that you're being nothing but a parrot.

Many communities have a higher murder rate than Chicago. Even many major cities have a higher murder rate than Chicago.

But you just keep trying to create distractions to take away from the changes people are trying make right now. You've gotten very good at it. Kudos.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,918
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,918


I agree with Glenn. An interesting topic of discussion.


At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 4,066
D
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
D
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 4,066
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
It's about time liberals started arming themselves.


They already have. What you call "peaceful protest" I call rocks, bricks, bottles of piss, Molotov cocktails, anything that will smash a window and/or an elderly person's face in.


"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things."
-Jack Burton

-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
All of these topics are deserving of discussion. The problem is when people act like we should do nothing to address other problems now.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,918
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,918
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
All of these topics are deserving of discussion. The problem is when people act like we should do nothing to address other problems now.


Or when people, like you for example, claim to be the voice of everyone have all the answers when we've clearly seen you swing and miss time and time again.

#OnBrand


At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
I've accomplished something nobody on this board could ever have imagined happening. A feat unimaginable throughout time and space.

I've gotten you and vers on the same side.

You're welcome.

rofl


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,918
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,918
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I've accomplished something nobody on this board could ever have imagined happening. A feat unimaginable throughout time and space.

I've gotten you and vers on the same side.

You're welcome.

rofl



Sometimes people shoot for low expectations. You do what you have to do


At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
I have always tried to unite people. I never imagined I would succeed at such a high level.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
V
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
I've brought up Chicago twice. Like in the history of this board. Twice. Yet, you and Rocket act like it is the norm.

I brought it up this time because I knew you guys would ignore the murder of children. They aren't important to you. Getting a guaranteed income is more important. Defunding the police is more important. Y'all keep driving away those that actually supported the cause. Great strategy.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,037
R
Legend
Offline
Legend
R
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,037
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie


I agree with Glenn. An interesting topic of discussion.


I don't think this will get much traction on here.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,918
M
Legend
Offline
Legend
M
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 19,918
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie


I agree with Glenn. An interesting topic of discussion.


I don't think this will get much traction on here.


Probably not.


At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 16,182
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 16,182
What exactly is that cause you keep talking about again?


"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
V
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
What exactly is that cause you keep talking about again?


My cause has always been about treating people fairly regardless of race, gender, etc. It's about trying to give all folks opportunities in both education and the work place that will help them succeed. The cause includes people working together to make this a better country. The cause is about bridging the gap between folks instead of dividing and conquering.

To expound a bit on the treating all people fairly and as individuals, I will add that comes w/accountability. I am not going to say "you are a great guy" just because you are one of the minority groups. I will judge you by your own individual actions. Eliminate preconceived notions and evaluate people on their actions instead of what group they belong to.

Examples:

1. Yesterday, I was out on some sales calls and I stopped at a local business that is owned by a black family on the way home. I try to support such businesses as much as I can, even if I have to pay a bit more. I appreciate their work ethic and their character. I was talking to the wife a bit and she brought up the current political climate. She is worried that all this political unrest will hurt families like hers. I agreed, but said that there were a lot of us who were on their side, we just don't talk about it as much. I know that I will always support folks like her and her husband. They educated themselves, made money, and then became business owners due to hard work, discipline, fortitude, and living a moral life.

2. The second example is what I will never support. There is this one guy who talks about burning it down, killing police officers, engaging in revenge acts against whites, and turning his back on those who have supported him when it wasn't popular to do. I have no use for such hateful souls.

Hope all of this helps you understand "the cause."

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie


I agree with Glenn. An interesting topic of discussion.


I wonder how many people learned from that clip what is the BLM mission statement. Do those now learned people understand why many others won't "speak out" in support of the BLM mission? Why being accused of being 'complicit in silence' is an insult?

The plea of the words 'Black Lives Matter' is hijacked by the mission statement. Do the community 'leaders' painting 'Black Lives Matter' on city streets know what is the BLM stated mission? How about LeBron and other 'woke' folks who also don't know the mission.

This guy is spot on. Until HIS word/message are the driving force behind real social change, none of the protesting, cancel-culture(ing) and monument destruction is going to matter.

Family structure and valuing education is the key...with economic opportunity to follow for those people who understand that key. If there were a place to protest in favor of that mission, I'd go participate.

The lack of leaders - black or otherwise - stating his message is what is appalling and I'd say is truly, socially unjust.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I've brought up Chicago twice. Like in the history of this board. Twice. Yet, you and Rocket act like it is the norm.


Yet here you are at a time when the focus is on something else. And rather than joining in the fight to change that, you prefer a distraction.

Quote:
I brought it up this time because I knew you guys would ignore the murder of children. They aren't important to you.


You think your personal insults will work on me. They don't. I won't be going into the refs forum and whining about the fact you are lying.

Quote:
Getting a guaranteed income is more important. Defunding the police is more important. Y'all keep driving away those that actually supported the cause. Great strategy.


Awe, I see. Staying on message and working for the change that is currently the focus is just terrible? And everyone who isn't throwing some rant knows the focus is on police brutality.

Anyone who even bothers to look understands that "defund the police" actually means redistribution of that money to help not only the people of this nation but also the police.

Unless of course you think the police are mental healthcare professionals and our jails and prisons are the proper place to treat the mentally ill. Because right now that's what they're being used for.

If you feel you're being "driven away" because the focus isn't on the issues "you wish to address at this moment", that's on you. As for me, I'm not going to try and dictate to the black community what their priority order should be.

The choice is pretty simple. You either help them focus on their cause and support them, or you don't. It seems to me that white people have spent too much time already telling them when to protest, where to protest and how to protest. Now you want to add "what to protest" to the list. Sorry I won't be joining you on that crusade.

This nation has a long history of controlling the actions of the black population. Of trying to discount and undermine their progress. I just never imagined you would be on that side of things.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
V
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
We have different causes. I'm good w/that. And I will continue to oppose your cause of hate, bias, and division.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
j/c

It's surprising how little attention this thread is getting.

Another bloody and deadly weekend in Chicago...it must be time to tear down another statue and paint the streets in support of fewer $$$ for law enforcement.

Look away...look the other way.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 7,111
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 7,111
Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
j/c

It's surprising how little attention this thread is getting.

Another bloody and deadly weekend in Chicago...it must be time to tear down another statue and paint the streets in support of fewer $$$ for law enforcement.

Look away...look the other way.


I'm not an advocate of defunding the police, but there has to be a better way than what we are currently doing...


When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
We have different causes. I'm good w/that. And I will continue to oppose your cause of hate, bias, and division.


The fact you don't see that in yourself is simply amazing.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
Look away...look the other way.


You almost managed to spit out the first line of the song Dixie. I'm sure you'll do better next time.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
V
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
j/c

It's surprising how little attention this thread is getting.

Another bloody and deadly weekend in Chicago...it must be time to tear down another statue and paint the streets in support of fewer $$$ for law enforcement.

Look away...look the other way.


They never talk about an important topic like this. They use their fancy little catch-phrases such as "whistle blower" to mock others who may want to discuss the topic. Meanwhile, there have countless posts and threads about police brutality.

Black-on-black crime is a much bigger problem for blacks in impoverished communities and the nation as a whole than police brutality, statues, and rides at an amusement park. But, they are so damn one-sided and biased, they refuse to even discuss it.

Furthermore, there were a lot of interesting things in that article besides just the black-on-black crime. I encourage all Americans to take a look at some of the rhetoric from spokespeople like the pastor and formulate their own conclusions instead of listening to the bickering between posters. Read it, consider what is being said, what is actually happening, and evaluate all the information for yourselves w/out any input from guys like me and Pit.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
j/c

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-city-gunman-shoots-man-dead-wounds-woman

Maybe less of this will happen when the police have less funding to work with. Too sad for purple font.

Maybe we need more paint on that street.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
I remain amazed at the silence by athletes, actors, politicians, etc regarding the problems faced by many in the black community...and the ignoring of the real issues around the broken family unit, education and opportunity.

There is a continuing barrage of attacks on other "people" (whoever and whomever they may be) without addressing the underlying problem that if solved will give hope to these communities.

Where is Kaepernick talking about the importance of family and education? Obama? LeBron? What have any of these folks done with their power and persuasion to turn around issues that only family, education and opportunity can solve?

We keep putting band-aids on severed limbs and complain that the band-aid isn't working. It's insane.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
I think you're onto something. When you make a claim to be a self appointed expert on the black community, you should be telling them when to protest, how to protest, where to protest and what to protest.

That's how to support them.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I think you're onto something. When you make a claim to be a self appointed expert on the black community, you should be telling them when to protest, how to protest, where to protest and what to protest.

That's how to support them.


"...self appointed expert on the black community..." rolleyes

It's over-the-top rhetoric like that that keeps real discussion and change from having a chance.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 79,027
Yeah, dictating what another race of people should be protesting and concerned with certainly makes for an interesting conversation.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
W
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
W
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,384
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Yeah, dictating what another race of people should be protesting and concerned with certainly makes for an interesting conversation.


That is a conversation that you are having with only yourself.

Anyone can proclaim that there is a problem...addressing the problem and coming up with solutions is a different story.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,370
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 40,370
J/C

Until the Black community comes to grips with the problems inside their own community, it is hard for anyone else to help.


After a while, listening to how you don't know what it is like, how you don't care, how you are a racist.....well, sure, you don't care anymore.

Shrug your shoulders and let them keep shooting each other.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,433
R
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
R
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 9,433
Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I think you're onto something. When you make a claim to be a self appointed expert on the black community, you should be telling them when to protest, how to protest, where to protest and what to protest.

That's how to support them.


"...self appointed expert on the black community..." rolleyes

It's over-the-top rhetoric like that that keeps real discussion and change from having a chance.


Oh, you must've missed the post he's referring to!

Receipt to post that Pit is mentioning.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
V
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
You can make fun of me for saying I have done more for the black community than anyone on this board. I might be incorrect about that statement, but I doubt it. The fact that you think it is impossible for a white person to help blacks more than some other blacks speaks volumes to your bias. For example, do you think Antonio Brown has done more for blacks than Chris Long?

Your group tries to dominate this forum and your act is old. I won't be bullied by hateful souls like you.

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
V
Legend
OP Offline
Legend
V
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 55,499
Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
I think you're onto something. When you make a claim to be a self appointed expert on the black community, you should be telling them when to protest, how to protest, where to protest and what to protest.

That's how to support them.


"...self appointed expert on the black community..." rolleyes

It's over-the-top rhetoric like that that keeps real discussion and change from having a chance.


This issue is complex. People get their backs raised. It's contentious and impassioned.

I have dedicated a ton of my life to helping minorities. Folks can mock me or call me a liar, but that doesn't change the fact that I have.

I have helped them because I despised the hate and bias from those who persecuted them. I helped them because I think all people should be treated equally regardless of race, gender, etc. I think actions define a person. I would never think negatively about a man because of the color of his skin. Likewise, I would never excuse his actions because the color of his skin.

It's about accountability and fairness.

There are countless black folks who have taken advantage of the advances in education and the work place to become extremely successful. They are to be admired because while they certainly faced some prejudice from hateful whites, they also had the fortitude to understand that education and work ethic are the keys to success. Other blacks resort to criminal activities, fathering children w/multiple women, violence, domestic abuse, drug use, etc. They terrorize their communities and then white people are blamed for their situation.

Things need fixed. Ignoring the problems won't solve them. Calling people racists for speaking the truth will only further the divide. Both sides need to improve. We need to come together and stop furthering the divide. But, if one side is unwilling to even discuss the situation, then the back-and-forth will only continue.

I really am not sure if I can express this correctly, but one of my students at my last place of employment had an awful reputation. He fought, he stole, he bullied, he lied, he cheated, etc, etc. I kinda took the kid under my wing, like I tried to do w/as many students as possible, and I was very firm w/him. I held him ACCOUNTABLE.

So Pit, Rocket, Swish, etc...........sit back and actually listen for just one time............I told him [and many others] that I held him accountable for his actions because I BELIEVED in him. I told him he was too good for excuses. That he was too smart to not be successful. That he had a good heart that was just aching to break out and do good in the world. And most importantly, that I would do everything in my power to help him succeed because I BELIEVED in him!!!

When he graduated, his grandmother paid me a visit as I was closing out after the school year. Her and I had some battles at first, but she came up and gave me a huge hug [she was a big ass woman] and looked me in the eye and said: [Paraphrasing, but this is pretty damn close] You were hard on Jeremiah, but you were always fair. That's all we ask. Treat us fairly. You never stopped caring or believing in him no matter how many times he messed up.

And that is what it is all about. Helping people. It's not about preaching hate and division. It's about helping people!!! I can't state that enough. I am so tired of all the ugliness. If folks spent 1/20 of the energy on helping others instead of hating on others, this world would be so much different.

I really believe in my heart of hearts that making excuses for poor behavior and giving out handouts is a huge tool at keeping certain groups of people down.

Instead, I believe in empowering those people w/opportunities to succeed. To believe in them. Hold them accountable just like anyone else. To stop making excuses and treat them as true equals. I believe that because they are equals.

And I will fight all those that don't think they are good enough or smart enough to make it on their own and have to rely on hand-outs and special privileges. That's demeaning and they deserve much more than that!!!

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,991
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,991
Good one.


[Linked Image from s2.excoboard.com]
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 16,182
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 16,182
That’s not “a cause”. That’s what they call the Golden Rule. Until you put yourself completely in the shoes of another. You’ll never understand the BLM cause.


"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus "Tired of Burying Our Children"

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5