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It is my opinion that trump has decided that he is basing his re-election on the fact that he thinks most Americans are racist and that is what will get him re-elected . I hope he crashes and burns. I don’t think that’s who we are.

Trump is a racist it is very obvious

I kinda agree, but I kinda don't.

I think Trump is calling out to white racists to support him.

On the other hand, the recent outlash against anyone who is white and centrist will alienate a ton of folks. The very same folks who make-up the majority of voters. Dumb strategy by the Dems.

Make racism wrong again.

Fixed it for you.

This is the same thing that happened 4 years ago. White, middle America gets tired of being called racist, and that's how Trump got elected.

If the Dems want to try that strategy again, go right ahead. But I don't think Biden is any better of a candidate than Hillary was, so good luck with that.

"Some international students have no other home to go back to; others are immunocompromised or high-risk for COVID and will now be forced back to campus. Making students choose between their health (or, for some, their lives) and their education is cruel."

"The damage this administration has done to higher education and the U.S. knowledge economy will have lasting impact. So tired on behalf of my students, my colleagues, my friends, all of us."

I don't quite get what she is saying here?

1) If they are being force BACK to campus, where have they been, why can't they stay there is they fear for their health?

2) What has the administration done to higher education?

Before someone flames me, and goes on a Trump did this/that rant, I am asking these seriously, because other than the virus, (and maybe how they feel the administration handled it), I don't get her point.

I don't get it, either. I am thinking it was posted to make Trump look bad. But, maybe I'm missing something????

I can't answer for anyone else, but I base my opinion of Trump being a racist solely on his words and actions.

He literally proves it everyday.... now, if you don't see it that way, that's fine, but don't tell me I'm wrong...

Umm ... anything and everything posted from either side makes trump look bad.

Everyday Trump proves he is racist? Really.

List an example.

He asked a black nascar driver to apologize for something he didn’t do, and he’s mad that the racist flag signaling a fight to keep slavery was trashed by nascar.

The guy was racist before he was president. Do you think he changed?

He was fined by the Justice Department for personally ordering that black housing applications be marked with a "C" for "colored" so they could be discarded.

He was fined a second time by the Justice Department for personally ordering that black housing applications be marked with a "C" for "colored" so they could be discarded.

He was fined by the New Jersey Gaming Commission for ordering black employees off the casino floor when he and his friends were gambling.

He was fined by the New Jersey Gaming Commission a second time for ordering black employees off the casino floor when he and his friends were gambling?

He ran a series of ads depicting Native Americans as alcoholics and drug addicts with the tagline "do we really want these people as our neighbors".

He called for the Central Park Five to be executed after they were cleared of wrongdoing by DNA evidence because they were "subhuman".

He stated in an interview that he doesn't allow black people to count his money ("only guys with yarmulkes").

He tweeted a white supremacist meme from the Stormfront website that claimed 84% of white murder victims were killed by blacks.

All the hysteria you post about Trump being a racist and THAT is what you've got?

Here is the first part of Bubba's tweet after the "noose" was discovered:

"Today's despicable act of racism and hatred leaves me incredibly saddened and serves as a painful reminder of how much further we have to go as a society and how persistent we must be in the fight against racism."

So...after the incident was investigated, the FBI determined that the pull has been there since October and there is no way anyone could have known then that Bubba would be later assigned to that garage.

So...ONCE AGAIN...something happened that was immediately decreed as racist and an investigation concluded that race was NOT a factor...and the folks screaming racism are offended when asked to backtrack on their hasty rush to judgement. Insane. Sounds like another "Beer Summit" is in order.

Rich and famous people are accused of things all the time.

Interesting that you posted nothing about his acts as POTUS...or daily showing of racism per some folks.

yea he's hoping the 2016 voters will carry him again.

unfortunately for him, Hillary isn't running. and he's universally hated.

He wasn’t ‘accused’. He was fined for actually doing these things. See the difference?
His recent twitter posting of some loser chanting ‘white power’ is pretty cut and dry if you ask me. Keep the blinders on I guess. Denial is a powerful drug.

So...he's a racist because you say he is. Got it.

Do you know the significance of the "First Step Act"?

Do you know what "Opportunity Zones" are and what/where they are targeted?

Do you know that HBCU's used to have to plead for $$$ from the POTUS every year and this new racist guy gave them more money than previous POTUS' AND made them a long-term deal so they wouldn't have to grovel every year for funding?

What a monster.

How do you feel about Trump’s views on the Central Park five?

You can give a ton of money and be a racist. It’s basically the rich persons argument of “I have black friends!”

No he’s a racist because he’s been caught and fined for doing racist crap. He’s a racist because he spews racist crap through his twitter feed. He’s a racist because he’s all but stated he’s a racist through his past actions. I’ve not had to say anything to prove it. He proves it. You deny it.

How is his opinion on what happened racist? You have decided that he MUST be a racist because he is a white guy opining on the arrest and punishment of black men. You have no clue and no evidence whatsoever that his opinion was based on race.

Folks on here run around proclaiming that Trump is a racist and THIS is what you've got?

Do you know who gave the eulogy for Strom Thurmond? And considered Strom his friend? Do you know what was known a Dixiecrat and what they stood for?

So...you've got nothing but feelings that concludes that he's a racist. Got it.

If you don't know, then you don't see it the way I do,,, Why bother?

Not even one example...and you claim he does it everyday...got it.

He willingly says a large gathering of white nationalists was full of good people yet he won't recognize DNA evidence as being 100% exoneration of minority Americans.

As for your whatabout, I suggest you start a new thread to talk about a new subject. This thread is about Trump's actions as the Grand Wizard in Chief.

You took his comments to mean what you posted...and what you wanted. He did not say that. Were there ONLY what you consider "white nationalists" there?

Whatabout? Too funny. I answered your "Central Park Five" whatabout...and you ignored mine...and I know why.

All the ranting and raving that he's a racist and THIS is all you've got. My goodness.

There IS racism in this country. As a nation we can do better. But...calling other's racist without merit, isn't going to help the matter.

You arguing that Trump is not a racist is mind boggling from my point of view. I get the point you are trying to make, I just don't see it the same.

Is that a list of proof of racism on Trump's part? Or a list of things he said that you don't like?

Stating that CA was not having a drought is now racist?

That's it?

If it's 'mind-boggling' then examples of his racist acts should be everywhere...no? I mean...I read in this very thread where they occur everyday.

The point I am making is that people run around screaming that Trump is a racist, yet they have no proof that it's true. Look in this very thread.

People don't like the guy...I get it...but declaring him a racist is ridiculous.

Google "First Step Act" and "Opportunity Zones" and what he did for HBCUs...that's real stuff that actually happened.

Get parents who were unjustly sentenced back home to their families...get economic activity/development/opportunity in disadvantaged areas...increase funding that will purse education for disadvantaged black Americans.

A racist wouldn't have DONE what Obama and others before him wouldn't do. Sorry...it doesn't fly.

It's how one side operates. Trump is hated for many reasons, and beating hillary is one of them.

Consequently, one side has resorted to calling him names. Racist evokes the most disdain. But, when he tried to ban travel from china due to covid, they went after him as a xenophobe. Yup, right on here, AND in the media.

Fast forward a few months: Trump didn't act soon enough.


Their hatred will not stop. Doesn't matter what Trump does.

Trump is trying to shut the economy down. Then, Trump opened things up too soon. (don't states have governors that are in charge of the state?)

If only Trump would've shut down NY earlier...........deaths on him. As Cuomo was the one telling nursing homes to take covid patients.

On and on and on. And a few blame the job losses on Trump...........totally ignoring the cdc, the virus, etc.

Replies like this is why I've taken a new view on dealing with Trumpians... Y'all have nothing meaningful to say IMHO, so it's best to ignore you and move on with putting the country back together. Natural selection will do the rest.

Oh stop ....dude asked for examples, I gave yesterday’s example......y’all are just butt hurt you lost your racist flag. Pffft trump supporters crack me up.

Take 11 minutes to watch this:


Tell me it isn't biased against trump.

I think BAddog meant in the original post, just poorly worded
BAd, feel free to correct me if I am wrong

Trump 'going with his gut' in fanning racism, frustrating some White House aides
NBC News
Geoff Bennett and Peter Alexander and Carol E. Lee
,NBC News•July 7, 2020
WASHINGTON — Some White House officials are privately expressing frustration over President Trump’s recent embrace of a message stoking racial and cultural divisions.

The Trump allies are telling him that he has a better argument to make and to focus on his accomplishments in office and offer sharp criticism of his opponent, former Vice President Joe Biden, said two officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to frankly discuss private conversations.

But Trump — four months away from facing voters in his re-election bid and trailing Biden in the polls — is “going with his gut” and “relying on instinct,” the two officials said. Instead of touting wins, Trump has opted to zero in on the national debate about race and side with supporters who view themselves as victims unfairly cast as racists in the renewed national discussion about discrimination targeting minorities.

“Cultural issues are always going to be with us, and the president is animated by them,” a White House official said. “While we don’t want to wade into divisive issues, we do want to stand with American history.”


Trump has heard from some political allies encouraging him to embrace a divisive tone likely to further inflame civic unrest seen across the country over the past month and deliver political wins by rallying his supporters.

But other aides have pushed him to temper his rhetoric.

A second White House official said Trump is making a mistake by stoking racial divisions and continuing to revive the kind of grievances he also aired in 2016, when he stoked racial animosity targeting immigrants. This official says the president’s attack lines no longer have the same resonance as they did four years ago.

After a rough June, some aides had hoped Trump would politically reset in July.

“Post-Fourth of July needs to be a pivot. We have a short period where we have to stay on message,” one of the White House officials said. “Can we stay away from the third rail of politics, including race and divisive issues?”

But both officials acknowledged that the president believes divisive rhetoric helped him win the White House, and could do so again. And two officials said he is largely eschewing the political advice to shift his message because he blames the coronavirus pandemic and his campaign's strategy — and not his own approach — for his polling plunge.

As a result, he’s tapping more deeply into the perceived anger and resentment of his white supporters.

The president, for instance, has gone from obliquely describing an effort to take down Confederate statues as an assault on “our heritage” during his campaign rally in Oklahoma last month to defending the Confederate flag and attacking NASCAR’s only Black full-time driver Monday on Twitter.

Some of the president’s allies worry he is out of step with public sentiment during this moment of national reckoning over racial justice, even if they agree he has a case to make that demonizing historical figures like George Washington goes too far.

The president “senses victimization that a lot of Americans feel” in scenarios where they’re deemed racist if they don’t denounce the Confederate flag, one of the officials said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-going-gut-fanning-racism-195400362.html

I interpreted it the same way.

In risky bid, Trump stokes racial rancor to motivate voters
By Jonathan Lemire an hour ago
July, 7th 2020

NEW YORK (AP) — President Donald Trump is wielding America’s racial tensions as a reelection weapon, fiercely denouncing the racial justice movement on a near-daily basis with language stoking white resentment and aiming to drive his supporters to the polls.

The incendiary discourse is alarming many in his own party and running contrary to the advice of some in his inner circle, who believe it risks alienating independent and suburban voters. It’s a pattern that harks back to cultural divisions Trump similarly exploited in his victorious 2016 campaign.

“It’s not about who is the object of the derision or the vitriol. The actual issue is understanding the appeal to white resentment and white fear,” said Eddie Glaude, chair of the Department of African American studies at Princeton University. “It’s all rooted in this panic about the place of white people in this new America.”

Though Trump has long aired racially divisive language and grievances in the public sphere, his willingness to do so from behind the presidential seal — and on his Twitter account — has reached a breakneck pace in recent days as the nation grapples with racial injustice.

The president tweeted — and later deleted — a video of a supporter yelling “white power.” He referred to the Black Lives Matter mantra as a “symbol of hate.” He took a swipe at NASCAR for removing the Confederate flag from its races and falsely suggested a Black driver had carried out a racially charged hoax. He mused about overturning a suburban fair-housing regulation and spoke approvingly of the current branding of the Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians, team nicknames that many consider offensive to Native Americans.

Most notably, he has engaged in a full-throated defense of the Confederate legacy, which he at times has cloaked within tributes to the Founding Fathers, including during a pair of high-profile Fourth of July weekend speeches.

“Those who seek to erase our heritage want Americans to forget our pride and our great dignity, so that we can no longer understand ourselves or America’s destiny,” Trump said Friday at the base of Mount Rushmore. “In toppling the heroes of 1776, they seek to dissolve the bonds of love and loyalty that we feel for our country, and that we feel for each other. Their goal is not a better America; their goal is the end of America.”

In defending Thomas Jefferson and George Washington that night, Trump did not mention the Confederacy. Instead, he painted racial justice demonstrators with a broad brush that made no distinction between the many who oppose honoring the Confederacy and the relative few who question celebrating Founders who owned slaves.

But Trump has repeatedly called for the preservation of statues of the Confederacy and the names of its generals on military bases — all assailed in the protests that have swept from coast to coast in the aftermath of the death of George Floyd.

His comments are an apparent descendant, a half-century later, of Richard Nixon’s coded outreach to white voters known as the Southern Strategy. Trump himself has embraced Nixon’s phrase “the Silent Majority” to describe his own supporters.

By all accounts, the president’s actions are, at times, born of impulse and an instinctive reaction to what he sees on television. However, according to current and former Trump campaign officials, his overarching strategy is an appeal to white voters — some of them racist and some who fear being left behind by a government seemingly consumed with helping others. Those officials were not authorized to publicly discuss such private matters and commented only on condition of anonymity.

The belief is that his appeals will generate enthusiasm among the same disaffected white voters who made up the president’s base of supporters four years ago.

But many in Trump’s orbit are sounding the alarm that 2020 is not 2016.

White House advisers Kellyanne Conway and Jared Kushner, according to the officials, have both warned that some of the racist rhetoric, including the use of China-blaming “kung flu” to describe the COVID-19 pandemic, could turn off swaths of voters. And some believe there was more of an audience for inflammatory rhetoric about immigration four years ago, particularly as polls show the Black Lives Matter movement gaining widespread support.

“The 2016 debate about immigration was about the future of sovereignty, the American worker, and our culture. The issues that involve race now are completely different,” said Sam Nunberg, a former Trump campaign adviser.

“It’s not easy to conflate people who want to tear down the statues of the Confederacy and the few who want to get George Washington,” said Nunberg. “I don’t think it’s a winning argument in a time of a pandemic. This doesn’t affect people’s daily lives. This is a dumb issue to fight.”

Four months before Election Day, Republicans are nervously watching polls that show Trump slipping behind his Democratic rival Joe Biden. They have grown increasingly worried that his focus on racial rancor could force GOP senators locked in tough campaigns to distance themselves from their party’s president.

“Defending the Confederacy and racial dog whistles is not going to help win the suburbs. He is solely focused on a small part of his base when he should be looking to grow his support,” said Alex Conant, a Republican strategist who advised Sen. Marco Rubio’s presidential bid. “If Joe Biden proposed tearing down Mount Rushmore, that would be a huge opening for Trump. But Biden is not doing that.”

Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., said GOP candidates “need to do what they need to do to win. And in some states, he will be a benefit in some parts of the country. In other parts of the country, less so.”

The Trump campaign dismisses accusations of racism.

“President Trump’s Mount Rushmore address was a defining speech highlighting America’s highest ideals of freedom and individual liberty,” said campaign spokesman Ken Farnaso. “He both educated citizens on our shared history and pushed for a more united front combating those who want to create chaos.”

Democrats have charged that the president’s recent rhetoric is consistent with Trump’s history, including his call in the 1980s for the death penalty for Black teenagers later exonerated for the rape of a jogger in Central Park and for questioning whether the nation’s first Black president, Barack Obama, was born in the United States.

“We are beyond dog whistles with this president,” said TJ Ducklo, the Biden campaign’s national press secretary. “Donald Trump openly embraces racist rhetoric and sends blatant signals of support for the causes of white supremacists -- and he does it from the highest office in the land.”

Associated Press writer Alan Fram contributed to this report.

https://apnews.com/10f096038019ee7a0d798c6d51ecd3b4

Actually, I think that the Dems hate towards whites and the working class might have a bigger effect on this election.

Trump is a true turd and will probably lose, but I bet a lot of hard-working folks from both majority races [black/white] are getting sick of their crap.

We will fight back. Count on it.

It'll be interesting to see how this effects tight Senate races.