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GOP State Lawmaker: 'I Want To See More People' Get Coronavirus

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/del-marsh-alabama-coronavirus-comments-095357838.html

A GOP lawmaker in Alabama said he’s “not concerned” about the current spike in the number of new confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the state.

“In fact, quite honestly, I want to see more people, because we start reaching an immunity as more people have it and get through it,” Alabama state Sen. Del Marsh told reporters Thursday.

“I don’t want any deaths, as few as possible,” continued Marsh. “So those people who are susceptible to the disease, especially those with pre-existing conditions, elderly population, those folks, we need to do all we can to protect them. But I’m not concerned. I want to make sure that everybody can receive care. And right now we have, to my knowledge as of today, we still have ample beds.”

Dr. Don Williamson, the president of the Alabama Hospital Association, warned Thursday that the state’s daily infection count will likely spiral in the coming weeks because “none of these numbers reflect the effect of the Fourth of July.”

“Because we are looking at an incubation period here of minimum days, up to 2 weeks, and usually there’s a lag of about a week from infection to being hospitalized, or a week to two weeks, and so we are probably not going to see the real impact on the healthcare system until next week, and the week after,” Williamson told WBRC.

“There is major movement in the wrong direction, and really these movements have accelerated and that’s the most concerning part of this,” Williamson added. “It’s the trajectory of the curve.”

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every time i wonder why bible states are one of the worst ran states in education, healthcare, and civil rights issues, here they come to let me know EXACTLY why thats the case.

And what's wrong with what he said?

There are only a few ways we overcome a virus. You either get vaccinated, or you catch it and survive it. Either way, your body builds immunity to that virus.

The last way is rounding up all the infected and burning them, so you eliminate the virus.

Wrong. But hey, you like to invent your own facts so why am I surprised.

Oh, and how would you beat the virus?

I was referring to New Zealand. They eliminated all in country CV-19 and are now controlling incoming/returning population.

That's not going to happen here in the USA because it's too rampant and we missed the boat on that solution. But what NZ did was a proven and successful way to eliminate the virus.

And here I thought libs were against closed borders. Easy to do when you live on an island.

So, how long will they have to keep their borders closed? All they did was delay the virus. They will still have to eventually inoculate.

I also fail to see how I was wrong, or my facts made up.

I know it's hard for people like you to comprehend the difference in keeping people out to create some non existent enemy in order to breed hate and protecting people from disease.

But most of us get it.

You're the one here who mentions hate. What enemy did I create, other than you?

What did "stay at home" do to stop the virus? Nothing. It delayed people from catching it. Now people are out at their rallies, demonstrations, riots, or just going back to work, they're catching it again.

The only was to stop a virus is to survive it, inoculate against it, or kill it by killing it's carriers.

I take it you haven't read or listened to much of what side effects and long term effects it has on a body... if you had, you wouldn't say that.

Nowhere did you mention what other countries have done to successfully eliminate the virus.

Not everyone gets those side effects. So far, science has been unable to determine if those side effects are due to the virus itself, the body's response to the virus, or other factors.

Because they did not eliminate the virus. What part of that don't you understand? If you were to live in total isolation for the next 20 years, do you think you'd be more or less susceptible to every virus you avoided?

Any immunity post illness is proving to be short lived. They think 2 to 4 months max. Many that test positive for the virus but are minimally effected (not ill) show no natural antibody response. So they’re completely susceptible to catching it again.
There will be no herd immunity without widespread vaccinations. Which will be difficult in this country where people are afraid Bill Gates is going to inject them with 5G to give them cancer and track their movements in an attempt to take over the world... or some such nonsense.
Sadly our country is overflowing with incredibly stupid people.

j/c...

cant make money off of cures.

can make a ton of money on treatments, though.

Wow! You really aren't getting this are you? Let's reflect shall we? And before we start, it isn't "about you". You aren't my enemy. If you feel that way it's only in your mind. I am speaking about how immigrants have been made out to be an enemy as a whole by those on the right.

See, it works as a great deflection tactic. The corporations who have received the bulk of all the tax cuts are far closer to American workers enemies than immigrants. They have moved jobs out of this country in the millions. Automation in our factories have continued to eliminate even more jobs.

But as with everything, when people have problems they look for someone to blame it on. They look to point a finger at the problem. So when you don't want your supporters to look at what's creating the actual problem, you create one for them to focus their hate or ire upon. That's where the immigrants come in.

Now I'm not a proponent of illegal immigration, but I'm also not for creating an imaginary enemy to focus your problems on.



What it did was keep our hospitals from being overrun. The same pattern that's starting to repeat itself in many states again. And who is advocating new "stay at home" orders? Hell, we can't even get people to have enough common sense to wear a mask. And that's why some places may be "forced" to issue stay at home orders yet again. Because a lot of Americans are just plain stupid and selfish.

It's their go to excuse. They have all done it but we can't. And don't forget, it's nobodies fault. And let's not talk about that part of it because we all need to come together.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/224...he-coronavirus/

https://time.com/5849910/new-zealand-eliminated-coronavirus/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/n...-jacinda-arden/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/world/australia/new-zealand-coronavirus-ardern.html

Yeah - you're not entitled to your own facts.

Yet their cases and spread rate is a fraction of what ours is and they aren't shut down either. Why continue to make excuses why we as a nation could certainly be doing a much better job than we are and the reasons why we're not?

Why not talk about how ignoring the guidelines for reopening and the failure of our citizens from using common sense have combined to make only us and Brazil as the worst nations on earth at dealing with this virus?

I only clicked on the first link and read that one article, but it doesn't say they eliminated it completely. They just did a really good job of controlling it - a really good job. There are concerns expressed in the article about it coming back i.e., it's not eliminated.

No it's not and it won't be for some time. But why do people keep making excuses why we are failing so terrible at dealing with it and that simply continuing on a path that's proven to fail is the answer?

And therein lies what I think many people are misunderstanding here.

This thing will probably never be eradicated. It's here, and most likely will stay, and come around with the rest of the flu's on an annual basis.

What we are doing right now, is trying to manage and put at risk as few people as possible until we get some treatments or vaccines available to save as many at-risk lives as possible.

The truth is China "created" the COVID19 strain of Coronavirus and purposely used it as a way to sabotage our economy because we were kicking their tail in the tariff trade wars. China was losing BILLIONS of dollars per month over Trumps tariffs and trade negotiations.

Don't believe ANY news article saying other otherwise.

All the proof you need is this:



Go ahead read the document for yourself. Those folks risked their LIVES to expose the truth of the Chinese government and their hand in creating COVID19 for the whole world to know. Infact the Chinese Government censured this document and removed it from the internet, and im pretty sure those who wrote it are also MIA and no where to be found (Probably killed by the Chinese Government)



Also, Shi Zhengli the director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology has went missing in May. She is gone probably dead.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl...ow/75508804.cms

https://www.wionews.com/world/chinas-bat-woman-shi-zhengli-goes-missing-297076

Stop believing the made up American News

CHINA CREATED COVID19 AND PURPOSELY USED IT TO ATTACK THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is CRYSTAL CLEAR to anyone who does the research. Even the National Natural Science Foundation of China believes this virus was manufactued in those Wuhan Labs, Key scientists have vanished.

Even Wuhan doctor Ai Fen, who wrote papers and was also the head of Wuhan's Central Hospital has also disappeared for blowing the whistle on the Chinese Governments hand in creating this plague.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/coro...ovid-19-threat/

its 100% irrefutable that the Chinese created this virus intentionally and used it to crash the world economy. This was done intentionally due to the trade war with the US...ever hear the saying "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" They used a biological agent instead of weapons to attack us.

The question is, what are we and the rest of the world going to do about it?

Everyone should just blockade them, don't buy a damn thing from them, no American businesses allowed to have any operations over there or buy anything from them at all, **** em, we will bring those jobs back home, this will naturally raise peoples salaries in turn things will be more expensive, status quo except more people will have jobs.

the Chinese betrayed the whole world, they should ex-communicated from it as punishment for what they have done..

I do have a couple of points where we disagree. First is "come around with the rest of the flu's on an annual basis". No, this thing is simply here to stay. With viruses like the flu, it comes in what we call "flu season". We have proof there is no "season" for this virus.

That and claiming we are actually trying to manage it. You can look at Europe and the Netherlands if you wish to see counties that are "trying to manage it". That's not what we've been doing. We've been in "open the country quickly at all costs" mode. There's a big difference there.

The numbers have proven this to be true.

Thank-you.
That was a very good post.You didn't talk down to anyone,you didn't use the word hate,and you didn't mention trump.
A non emotional,common sense post on DT.I've seen everything now.

Perspective I guess.

This thing is here now and growing, but I think it will become more seasonal once it wains down. Even though there is no real flu season, it is continual, but tends to spread more during times when people are in closer proximity(indoors). Last time I had the flu was August 2 years ago (knocked me on my arse).

We are trying to manage it. We as in you, me and others, wearing masks, trying to limit public interaction. On a political level or management, there is much to be desired.

Like I said in another thread today, that lack of body language and things in message board conversations, can really alter the interpreted meaning of someone's words when reading.

I agree about the body language and would include facial expressions with that. I think a lot of it also has to do with compartmentalizing things.

This is a political forum and much as the current political climate of the day, people tend to put forth a very direct and in your face style of posting. As for myself all I can say is that I certainly fall into that category because on a personal level I feel that the leadership of our nation falls into the category of a national emergency.

However, once I leave this forum that's it. I don't carry it with me into other parts of my day or my life. I'm not nearly as devoted to making it the central part of my life that some of my words may cause people to think.

I don't actually take the posts of others personal or allow it to interfere with how I view other posters as people. I've met people who post here that I am in total disagreement with at the political level but actually like those people. Nothing that gets posted here changes that. What our political views are is not a sum total of who we are as people.

The problem is that with the coronaviruses that have infected people in the past, immunity typically lasts somewhere between 2 months and 2 years.

It is very likely that before we would get enough people infected and cured to create herd immunity that those infected early on will become susceptible to reinfection.

Not to mention the numerous deaths that would be created and the long term morbidity. A significant number of people who survive symptomatic disease have long term lung damage. It is too early to tell if it will be permanent. Additionally, a significant number of young otherwise healthy people with asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic disease are having strokes.

So that us wrong with what he said.

j/c...

Fortunately, Candice Keller lost in the primary and she will soon be gone from the Ohio House of Reps. She's also the same person that blamed the Dayton mass shooting on gays.

“All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident.”

One would first have to present the truth for any of that to be accurate in this case.

j/c

Missouri Summer Camp Closes After 82 Kids and Staff Infected with Coronavirus

Kanakuk Kamps, a network of Christian sports camps in the state, saw 82 campers, counselors and staff members test positive for coronavirus

At least 82 campers, counselors and staff at a summer camp in southwestern Missouri have been infected with COVID-19, according to state health officials.

Kanakuk Kamps, a network of Christian sports camps in the state, reopened their camps to thousands of kids beginning in May. Kanakuk chose to reopen after Missouri leaders said that there was a risk in letting camps reopen, but that they were confident that the camps had made plans to stop any potential COVID-19 outbreaks from happening.

Parents of Kanakuk campers were recently notified by email that one of the camps known as K-2, in Lampe, was temporarily shutting down after staff and campers contracted coronavirus.

Per a report from NBC News, parents received an email last week from Rebecca Duncan, Kanakuk's health services director, advising them that their children may have been exposed.

"As your Kamper returns home, we recommend that you consider a 14-day self-quarantine for your child and monitor for symptoms of COVID-19," the email read according to the report.

The organization — which prides itself on having more than 90 years of experience in summer camping — holds six overnight and day camps across the state with around 20,000 campers a summer, according to its website.

"Kanakuk is working with SCHD and made the decision to shut down the K-2 camp for this term after being alerted to the suspected COVID-19 cases," the message read.

"The decision to close has resulted in all campers, counselors and staff to return to their homes. SCHD will be working closely with Kanakuk Kamps to identify exposed individuals and quarantine those individuals, as necessary," they added.

But Kanakuk Kamps situation isn't an isolated one, as numerous camps across the nation have opened and then closed after kids and staff contracted COVID-19, the Associated Press reported.

Despite the outbreak at the Missouri camp, the state has not changed their guidance for operating during the pandemic.

Dr. Randall Williams, director of the Missouri Department of Health, said Monday that his agency had no plans to shut down summer camps in the wake of the Missouri outbreak.

“We think school is incredibly important to kids. We also think camps are important,” he shared.

Williams also added that the camp location with the outbreak plans to reopen later this summer after testing all of the staff members

https://people.com/health/missouri-summe...6iextaTPjFLHR3s

This is what our nation looks like when our leaders put politics over people. We will have the opportunity to change that very soon.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-07-09/covid-19-deaths-tolls-rising

We’re still in the first wave with 133,000+ deaths. Where is trump to put out the fires? On his way to spread the disease in NH. Pfft trump supporters. I’ve seen the caravans from southern and midwestern states coming into our state. And they aren’t self quarantining and they aren’t wearing masks. Yelling at locals who dare to say anything. Pffft.

Anyone paying attention knew this was coming. The huge increase in cases was among young people. As it was spread to older people the death counts would rise. It takes time for these things to happen and somehow people think day to day numbers mean something. The trend are obvious. We opened to early by ignoring the guidelines. Cases spread quickly because people are screaming about freedom instead of using common sense.

We are leading the world in our ineptitude. And still some of the crowd screams out for more.

j/c

Senator John Cornyn Claims He Doesn’t Know If Kids Can Get And Transmit COVID-19

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-corn...K15v0W_EO9S2N6E

Science?

j/c

Trump and Fauci not speaking as coronavirus pandemic worsens

For months, amid the worst pandemic in a century, President Donald Trump insisted all was well between him and the nation's top infectious disease specialist.

The pandemic is still around. The bonhomie with Dr. Anthony Fauci is not.
"Dr. Fauci is a nice man, but he's made a lot of mistakes," Trump said this week, undermining the public health expert Americans say in polls they trust more than the President.

With coronavirus raging, Trump and Fauci are no longer speaking. The President has taken to openly criticizing him on television. Fauci is expressing puzzlement at some of Trump's claims.

When the coronavirus task force convened at the Department of Education this week, Fauci was told to beam in over the phone instead of attending in person.

While he's conducted a flurry of newspaper and radio interviews, he has stopped appearing on major American television networks.

"I have a reputation, as you probably have figured out, of speaking the truth at all times and not sugar-coating things," Fauci told the Financial Times this week. "And that may be one of the reasons why I haven't been on television very much lately."

Trump has long chafed at Fauci's tacit rebukes and overt corrections of his misstatements. But at the start of the outbreak he generally remained quiet, understanding he gained little from undermining someone with widespread credibility among the American people.

Instead he declared the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases a "major television star for all the right reasons" -- an outward compliment that nonetheless signaled to some allies of Trump, who does not like being upstaged or undermined, of trouble brewing.

Those suspicions were confirmed by mid-April, when signs of discord began emerging more publicly. Trump retweeted a conservative activist who used the hashtag #FireFauci in complaining about the doctor, though the White House insisted afterward that Trump had no plans to dismiss him and that "Fauci has been and remains a trusted advisor to President Trump."

But a month later, as states began reopening -- often without meeting the parameters conceived by Fauci and other members of the task force and issued by the White House -- Trump began scaling up his public rebukes.
"He wants to play all sides of the equation," Trump said of Fauci in mid-May.

Still, even then, both men claimed their relationship was not contentious. Officials confirmed that was mostly accurate. They did not engage in huge shouting matches or sniping. But Trump's irritation at being publicly undermined was still evident in conversations with his friends and aides, when he complained that Fauci didn't seem to be on his side.

By early June, Trump and Fauci had largely stopped in-person engagements. Fauci -- who has advised every president since Ronald Reagan -- told the Financial Times this week that he last saw Trump on June 2 at the White House, and hasn't personally briefed him in at least two months.

Trump, meanwhile, has begun openly criticizing the doctor.

In June, he stated on multiple occasions that Fauci wasn't responsible for deciding the return of professional sports -- "Tony Fauci has nothing to do with NFL Football" he wrote on Twitter -- after Fauci questioned when leagues could begin play.

In recent interviews, he openly questioned the advice he'd received from Fauci at the start of the outbreak.

"I think we are in a good place. I disagree with him," Trump said in an interview Tuesday when questioned about Fauci's assertion the US is still "knee-deep in the first wave" of the pandemic.

Trump accused Fauci of waffling on early decisions in the crisis, saying he was better off ignoring experts and trusting his instincts.

"Dr. Fauci said don't wear masks and now he says wear them," he told Gray Television's Greta Van Susteren. "And he said numerous things. Don't close off China. Don't ban China. I did it anyway. I didn't listen to my experts and I banned China. We would have been in much worse shape. You wouldn't believe the number of deaths more we would have had if we didn't do the ban."

Trump's criticisms of Fauci don't hold up entirely; the decision to advise against wearing masks was due largely to a nationwide shortage of them, and Fauci publicly backed the ban on travel from China when it was announced.

Still, Trump's criticism reflects his conviction that the health experts who he assembled early in the pandemic have steered him wrong, a view that's been fanned by some in the conservative media who have accused Fauci and others in the administration as imposing draconian lockdown measures despite being unelected officials.

In some ways, Fauci's critics on Fox and in Congress have adjusted their complaints about him to reflect the type of criticism they know appeals to Trump. By casting him as an unelected bureaucrat who is attempting to undermine Trump, they're harkening back to the "deep state" conspiracies that have fueled Trump countless times before.

Once a near-constant presence on television, Fauci has been relegated in recent weeks to newspaper interviews, online webcasts and radio. While his comments still gain widespread coverage -- due both to his general credibility and a fascination with his relationship to Trump -- they haven't reached as wide an audience as a morning show or cable news interview.

In several this week, Fauci decried the politicization surrounding the federal coronavirus response, and said the nation would have been better served if leaders acted in unison.

"One of the problems we're facing, is that in the middle of trying to fight an unprecedented historic pandemic, there is still divisiveness -- there's divisiveness politically," he told The Hill. "We can see that when we look at the different viewpoints that people take towards this."

"So I think you'd have to make the assumption that if there wasn't such divisiveness, that we would have a more coordinated approach," he later told FiveThiryEight's podcast.

He didn't mention the President specifically in those interviews. But asked in a conversation with the Financial Times about Trump's false assertion that 99% of coronavirus cases are "totally harmless," he seemed perplexed.
"I'm trying to figure out where the President got that number," Fauci said. "What I think happened is that someone told him that the general mortality is about 1%. And he interpreted, therefore, that 99% is not a problem, when that's obviously not the case."

If he's looking to get clarity directly from the President, however, he may have to wait

Trump himself hasn't attended a White House coronavirus task force meeting since April, according to administration officials. While the panel is meeting Friday at the White House, Trump is traveling to Florida on unrelated business. Fauci was seen arriving for the meeting mid-morning.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/politics/donald-trump-anthony-fauci-coronavirus/index.html?

One man is concerned with trying to keep Americans safe. The other one is more concerned about being reelected.

Knight I pose this to you just like I did Peen when he scribbled similar nonsense. He never responded. You?

Okay, I’ll play.
So your claim that the Chinese unleashed this on the world because of the don, is conspiracy theory at best. But let’s entertain it.
Say the Chinese did unleash this on the world, not just the US, because they don’t like donny. It seems like maybe they knew something that you still haven’t figured out....
Where as the rest of the world got serious about it early and many countries have it under control at this point, maybe the Chinese knew trump was such an awful leader that they felt it was safe to unleash COVID on the world as most countries would get it under control, yet they knew we’d be the country that’d fail so miserably.
What does that say about donny that they were so correct?

Do you have actual figures on the significant number having strokes?

So, basically what you're saying is that all these precautions people are taking are in vain, because it's possible to be reinfected. In other words, there's no avoiding this virus.