DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus COVID-19: Truther Edition

you trump supporters don’t believe any of the numbers anyways.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus...arrive-from-u-k

Not sure when each of those links was written ... But -

They eliminated it. Arrivals have to quarantine - and there have been cases of arrivals testing positive. But let's not play word games and suggest that mainland NZ hasn't eliminated and that somehow the arrivals nullify what they accomplished.

Ohio set a record for new cases today; it looks like this country will set a record again-will probably pass 70k cases for 1 day.
And in the south, SC is getting besieged and they still had a trump boat rally in Charleston last weekend and reschedule Myrtle Beach bike week next week-expecting 250-300k people to the beach.

People waiting hours in long lines in Florida and ICU near capacity-South Caroling getting overrun, Alabama in trouble.
Mississippi nearing crisis, Phoenix running out of places in the morgues. These are just articles from today and with the case count growing like they are especially in the south and people still not taking this serious-in a few weeks we are going to be in a dyer situation across the sun belt. this isn't politics, anyone can bring that crap into this all they want, this is math and science-and I guess some were not that good in math and science.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/patien...age/ar-BB16yquJ

https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-carolinas-coronavirus-outbreak-is-worse-than-most-countries

https://www.al.com/news/2020/07/public-h...optimistic.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...soar-state.html


https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus...fymu-story.html

Do I have the actual numbers? No and I don't have the time to tract down a continually changing number, but it happens enough that we fully anti-coagulate all our Covid-19 patients and at discharge continue on a full strength aspirin for 3 months.

Here are a few links should you choose to read them:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/strokes-coronavirus-young-adults/index.html

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/c...l-complications

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatt...e/#2baa973c34df

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...t-a9484091.html

https://people.com/health/researchers-wa...n-inflammation/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/coronavirus-stroke-seizures-confusion.html


And one on prolonged symptoms

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2020/07/06...t-shake-illness

That is not what I said. Actually the opposite of what I said. Herd immunity is a risky strategy that is likely to fail. Taking precautions and letting the virus burn itself out is even more important.

Or we need a vaccine. My suspicion is that once a vaccine is created that we will either need multiple vaccines to achieve prolonged immunity as we do with vaccines like the MMR and hepatitis B for example. More likely is that every year, instead of getting an annual flu shot, we will be getting an annual flu and covid shot.

Still a long way to go in developing a vaccine and evaluating it's efficacy so many paths it might take.

Yet you will still hear a bunch of brian damaged folks screaming "You can't make me wear a mask"

Just weird
Dr. Fauci says he hasn’t talked to trump since June 2nd and hasn’t briefed him in about 2 months.
And trump hasn’t been to a civic strategy meeting which is held in the situation room just down the hall from the Oval Office since April.

And we crushed the total cases today-almost 72000.
We have 3 states that were getting the numbers daily what New York was getting during their peak.

And summer is supposed to be the quiet time for this virus

Perfect analogy, tUSA is In a boat, rowing in opposite directions. We lack leadership horribly.

The south is essentially an anchor in this war. Spoiler alert, science wins

Yep - remember when posters were pouring scorn on the 'experts' that said we could have 250K deaths from CV-19? That's almost guaranteed at this point.

Remember when the Alt Right wanted to talk about how all the epicenters were cities that leaned liberal as if somehow this was a Democratic problem?

And now? As our numbers escalate and the rest of Europe continues to decline ??? Why? What's the reason and the driver? . . . . Trump and his obsession with the economy because he thinks that is the only chance he has for re-election. Man it is sad and pathetic.

More evidence is emerging that severe COVID-19 has lingering after-effects. Nearly 90% of recovering COVID-19 patients discharged from a hospital in Rome were still not back to normal an average of two months after becoming ill, researchers said.

Doctors there studied 143 adults who had been hospitalized on average for two weeks. Most had been diagnosed with pneumonia, and one in five had needed help to breathe. An average of 60 days after their first coronavirus symptoms, 87.4% still reported at least one symptom - particularly fatigue and shortness of breath - and 55% had three or more, researchers reported on Thursday in the Journal of the American Medical Association. About one in four still had joint pain, and about one in five had chest pain. Roughly 44% said their quality of life was worse now than before they got sick.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tuberculosis-vaccine-may-limiting-covid-184203009.html

No doubt it lingers. The longer it goes, we will discover more and more long term implications. I was reading it causes brain damage.

Just because it doesn't kill you now doesn't mean it won't in 20 years as you get a little age behind you.

At my age, it probably has a good chance of ending it soon. Catch it in your 20's, you can deal with that for now, but your punch out date might be aged 45. That isn't good.

trump canceled his little rally in NH. Good his dumb ass supporters can’t gather together unmasked and spread the disease into our community anymore than the have already. Now go home. Pffft trump supporters.

So true,, and so scary. What bothers me most is the amount of effort by some folks to deny and downplay this situation.

I mean, hell, it is what it is, to deny it and do nothing just doesn't make sense.

j/c

Dozens of Mississippi lawmakers have coronavirus after weeks of refusing to wear masks

If you've been in contact with your state lawmaker in Mississippi, you may want to get a coronavirus test.

About one in six state lawmakers have tested positive for the coronavirus, according to Dr. Thomas Dobbs of the Mississippi Health Department.

For weeks, politicians flouted mask recommendations inside the state Capitol. Twenty-six state legislators have now tested positive for Covid-19, including Lt. Gov. Delbert Hosemann and State House Speaker Philip Gunn. Neither man wore a mask at a bill signing at the governor's mansion last week.

Mississippi Governor Tate Reeves said on Tuesday that he and his daughters tested negative for the virus, tweeting they had "limited contact with the people who were diagnosed."

This spike in infections follows an especially busy few weeks in the Capitol. Members have met to discuss the state's budget, an unemployment crisis, and in June, the legislature passed a historic bill to remove the Confederate emblem from the state's flag. Many visitors and advocates attended the Capitol to watch the debate and to protest.

Without masks, it may not come as a shock that the virus spread so efficiently within the legislature.

On the floor, desks are packed tightly together, and members gather closely to communicate with their colleagues.
"We could have done more to prevent this," State Rep. Robert Johnson III, the Democratic leader of the state's House of Representatives, said in a statement to CNN.

"It seems it was all about some erroneous, dangerously promoted political stance. It's disgusting. Our governor refuses to order statewide mask requirements and our leadership decided not to require it at the Capitol."

One lawmaker who contracted coronavirus, Rep. Ronnie Crudup Jr., shared that although he did wear a mask most of the time, he could have been more vigilant. "I can honestly say that I wore my mask 95% of the time when I was around the Capitol and public places, but that 5% can make a big difference," he wrote in a Facebook post.

On Thursday, Gov. Reeves mandated mask orders for 13 counties experiencing the greatest spikes of Covid-19, including Jackson, Biloxi and Gulfport. "Mississippi is in a fight for our lives," he said.

Even President Donald Trump, who has stubbornly refused to wear a mask in public and ridiculed those who have, said that he will wear a mask during a visit to Walter Reed National Medical Center on Saturday.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/us/mississippi-coronavirus-legislature-trnd/index.html?

Did you ever notice how those trying to make this political act AFTER people have those close to them get Covid or are threatened closely with it? Only then will they abandon the party line to protect those they love.

i love how pro choice republicans have all of a sudden become. enlightening.

j/c

Trump is pushing to reopen schools, which he claims are closed for political reasons and not to curb the coronavirus' spread

President Donald Trump has pushed back at states considering keeping schools closed in the fall, describing such a move as "political" and saying it goes against the will of parents and students.

During White House discussions on Tuesday on how to safely reopen America's schools, Trump insisted that everyone was in favor of plans to send children back to school in September, despite the alarming rise in the number of new coronavirus cases across the US.

"We want to reopen the schools," Trump said. "Everybody wants it. The moms want it, the dads want it, the kids want it. It's time to do it."

Trump touted a declining number of coronavirus deaths, higher rates of testing, and a resurgence of new jobs as indications that US schools should reopen.

Still, experts have warned that the novel coronavirus' death rate is likely to rise again as the number of new cases continues to rise. And while young people are less likely to get seriously ill or die from the disease caused by the new coronavirus, infections appear to be spreading quickly through younger generations.

"What we want to do is we want to get our schools open," Trump said. "We want to get them open quickly, beautifully, in the fall. And the — as you know, this is a disease that's a horrible disease, but young people do extraordinarily well."

Trump added that some state governors might be seizing on the opportunity to keep schools closed as a "political statement" rather than as a way meant to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

"We don't want people to make political statements or do it for political reasons. They think it's going to be good for them politically, so they keep the schools closed. No way," he said. "So we're very much going to put pressure on governors and everybody else to open the schools, to get them open."

Trump has also recently claimed that some Americans are wearing masks as a political statement to express their disapproval of him, despite evidence suggesting that face coverings are an effective way to reduce the virus' transmission.

Schools across the US transitioned to virtual learning in response to the pandemic earlier this year. Some states have said they will reopen in September, some with staggered class times and limited capacity. Florida's Department of Education issued an emergency order Monday requiring schools to reopen in August, despite the state's worrying rise in cases.

Trump in his remarks praised Florida's governor, Ron DeSantis, saying he was doing a "terrific job." Florida is one of the hot spots in the US with a surge of cases.

Vice President Mike Pence also pushed governors to reopen their schools during a call with local leaders Tuesday, arguing that keeping schools closed had negative impacts on learning and mental health along with the economy.

Betsy DeVos, the secretary of education, also told governors on the same call that schools "must be fully operational" and criticized school districts as underserving students through remote-learning initiatives.

As of Tuesday, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recorded 2.9 million cases and more than 130,000 deaths in the US — both the most of any other country.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pu...39YlQzoaIaqGWyc

There's one born every minute. And I mean on some level I have compassion for them. With that being said, it's still not an excuse to elect one of them as your president.

will barron be physically going to school?

I doubt it. I mean Trump votes by mail and he doesn't want other people doing it. So I doubt the school issue will be any different.

Well, Trump is wrong. He can push all he wants, but governors run their states. Governors make this call for their states, not the president.

Same with universities: The schools make their decision. Not the president of the u.s.

I wish you or someone could talk to him.

Whether he knows that fact or not, his words carry weight... and he's not doing any of us a favor with this sort of talk.

j/c...

flora chang
@flo2changz
No one asked but I wanted to share my experience traveling to Taiwan this past week to highlight what Taiwan is doing right regarding COVID-19 and why it’s quite unsurprising that Taiwan has become the gold standard for containing the coronavirus with only 7 deaths thus far.

flora chang
@flo2changz
1/ Prior to my flight, I reported my travel history, health symptoms, and the address of where I planned to self quarantine. This determined my infectious risk level and thus the ease of immigration clearance upon arrival to Taiwan.

flora chang
@flo2changz
2/ Upon arrival at Taiwan’s airport, I purchased a prepaid SIM card and provided the number to the CDC. They will use this number to track me during quarantine and call me daily to check on my health.

flora chang
@flo2changz
3/ To leave the airport, I took a cab. They kept track of which passengers took which taxi and to where. (Contact tracing) My hourlong cab ride was capped at only 1000NTD (~$33USD). The affordability encourages people to take cabs and not public transit.

flora chang
@flo2changz
4/ The driver was also not allowed to pick up passengers after dropping me off. His car would be sanitized for 20 minutes before returning to the airport to pick up additional passengers.

flora chang
@flo2changz
5/ If you are staying in a hotel, the taxi driver will call your hotel prior to arrival to get you checked-in. Upon arrival, you will be able to go directly to your room to minimize interactions with others.

flora chang
@flo2changz
6/ You are allowed to quarantine at home as long as your house has one bathroom per person. You can receive ~$33USD/day during the 14 day quarantine period from the government. That's $462 total.

flora chang
@flo2changz
7/ Taiwan is evidently meticulous and considerate. With the cooperation of the citizens in this interdependent culture, Taiwan's future is not nearly as concerning as America's.

https://twitter.com/flo2changz/status/1280017168352940032

What you can do when you get it right?

Trump is going to look more and more foolish - he's going to lash out at Fauchi, WHO ... anyone and anyone. And he is going to continue to take ZERO RESPONSIBILITY. What's worse and what's more galling is the Trump faithful who will excuse, and enable and defend his schtick.

the mask wearing thing is the biggest farce ever, its only purpose is to ease anxiety.



So tell me exactly how that cloth mask is doing a ****** thing for anyone when it is worse than an N95 mask, and it is only capable of filtering .3 to .4 microns and COVID19 is .1 microns, COVID19 will pass right though an N95 mask and will pass right through any cloth mask you may be wearing.

Even if someone is wearing a mask and they sneeze or cough, COVID19 escapes an N95 mask or a cloth mask, it passes right though people around you wearing one...science has proven the maks is pointless yet the left only listens to science that supports their agenda.

the New England Journal of Medicine has done extensive studies on mask, and outside of controlled conditions in healthcare facilities those masks are useless



Again experts say the mask is useless.

Lets be real, the cause for COVID19 is large gatherings, masks are irrelevent and won't protect you. the ONLY thing that protects anyone from exposure is social distancing and no large gatherings, thats it. the mask is nothing more than a symbol.

Want to stop COVID19? Stop the large gatherings.

Most of the new infections were caused by all the morons protesting and rioting, and right on schedule 3-4 weeks after things started calming down, we got all these people sick...they spread this stuff around like Johnny Appleseed.

the left and their rioting and protesting were far more irresponsible then the right has ever been, its clear masks don't do jack **** to stop this infection and its foolish to think you cna go protest and have a sea of people in places like LA, NY, etc and think just because your wearing a mask its ok despite science saying other wise.

enough with trying to point the finger at us...tell me when us Republicvans have had over 100,000 people protesting and gathering like BLM and other left leaning organizations...BLM and their protests are the number one reason for the huge uptick.

Dr. Fauci was on CNN a month ago and he told the world these protestors are going to regret what they are doing, that COVID19 doens't care if you wear a mask or protest, He actually said these protestors would bring about a worst case scenario of 100k per day, and they didn't listen...it is what it is.

Can't blame Trump for this, Fauci warned BLM a a day or two after this started and people wouldn't listen. Many will die now because of it.

Wow. Never mind the facts and the science - lets just come here and spout random opinions that have no basis in reality !

Jensen being investigated for Covid-19 misinformation.

Knight, go back to calling Browns personnel names. You come into this forum with terrible sources, continually find ways to justify people getting gunned down by cops, and now spreading dangerous opinions about masks.

Stay safe and wear a mask.

Yeah KNIGHT never mind the science and truth cause according to the left Trump caused the world wide pandemic of civid19 not their beloved Red China.

The following is from the same study you posted, which refers to the reason for wearing masks. You seem to think that people wear masks to protect themselves, when in fact it's to prevent the spread of infection to others. If you have any compassion for your fellow human beings, you'll stop arguing this nonsense and wear a mask in public. Here's what else your study says:

"More compelling is the possibility that wearing a mask may reduce the likelihood of transmission from asymptomatic and minimally symptomatic health care workers with Covid-19 to other providers and patients. This concern increases as Covid-19 becomes more widespread in the community. We face a constant risk that a health care worker with early infection may bring the virus into our facilities and transmit it to others. Transmission from people with asymptomatic infection has been well documented...."

I’ll add that N95 masks are effective. Otherwise every nurse and doctor that’s worked with COVID patients, including my girlfriend, would be sick.

The reason is that although viruses are small, they are more commonly contained in water droplets or associated with bacteria....

This has been viewed as accepted knowledge for many years.

So just how long have you enjoyed playing russian roulette?

And if in doubt shoot em up with some Clorox.

Anyone remember 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding'? .... I just had a flash back to the dad who thought Windex could cure everything. Ha ! That's where Trump is at.

For the Trump fanboys - sure, sure, Trump mentioned injecting bleach, he didn't tell people to actually inject it, we know, we know.

Why should we remember your wedding...you're really full of yourself, ain't ya?

I agree with you in principal but not so much in practice.

There are many states in which Trump is very popular. As we both know politicians aren't really big on giving up power. In order to gain reelection and maintain their power, they have little choice but to go along with the ramblings of a mad man.

So while you are most certainly correct, we have far too many spineless politicians who feel pressured into doing the wrong thing because the man who has control of their political destiny says that's what they have to do.

Yet the rest of the globe in nations where everyone actually wears a mask, they are doing so much better at fighting this virus.

Even when facts smack you in the face you deny them.