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Carlson is actually someone I was intrigued with as well.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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There's no reason to trade Njoku. What does one statement have to do with the other?  That was funny. Did anyone ever come up with a justification for insinuating Njoku might want to leave because of Baker? Or are some posters just allowed to start rumors and make up schtick?
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Did anyone ever come up with a justification for insinuating Njoku might want to leave because of Baker?
Or are some posters just allowed to start rumors and make up schtick? 
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Just trying to be fair and equitable on a board where some posters get very uppity about others posting speculative thoughts without qualifying.
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David has more talent than any TE on our roster (including Hooper) but unless me matures and gets his head on right he will not have anywhere near the success on the field.
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We've seen this far too often when potential never reaches production.
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It happens every year in all sports. 
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We've seen this far too often when potential never reaches production. Agree with GM - Njoku has elite physicality. He's never lived up to his potential. I guess reality and history would probably indicate that if he hasn't done it yet he's unlikely to - but as TE2 I just think he's got soooo much opportunity to create huge challenges for the defense that he's a must keep.
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It certainly does. Where I lived growing up I saw the perfect example of when the opposite of that happens as well. Pete Rose was a guy who just worked his ass of when given limited physical skills. Anyone can have an opinion of what they think of his gambling scandal but it would be hard to argue he didn't earn his nickname of "Charlie Hustle".
Some people get enamored by highlight reels and promotional videos in terms of skill set. What many do is underestimate the value of a tireless work ethic and dedication.
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I sent a PM to Purp. during camp last season and said Carlson had really caught my eye. He just seamed to catch everything .
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David has more talent than any TE on our roster (including Hooper) but unless me matures and gets his head on right he will not have anywhere near the success on the field. Whatever it is, it is. Talent or not, he is pretty less than average.
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I just want better numbers from about everyone, including Stefanski.
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I just want better numbers from about everyone, including Stefanski.
Go. Browns! Go Browns! Some people say stats are for losers, and in some cases I agree. They don't always tell the whole story. Wins and losses are stats, so I agree. I want Kevin's stats much better than Freddie's, Hue's, Shurmer, heck, name just about any coach we have had the last 20 or so years. Butch had a few decent seasons. Williams had pretty good stats, but we didn't elect to hire him.
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It's such a strange era. Do you honor his request or do you force him to stay? I would pick Njoku over Carlson if I had the choice.
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It's such a strange era. Do you honor his request or do you force him to stay? I would pick Njoku over Carlson if I had the choice. Probably so, but I think Carlson has upside.
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I think the only answer is Team First.
I think that unless his wonderful new agent can find a team willing to part with enough assets to make it a no-brainer for us, you keep him.
He will either get his head on right, become a professional, and work on his hands and his craft and ball out, or he won't. The one earns him a big contract in a year or two at the least, the other earns him what he's earned so far - not much.
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I think the only answer is Team First.
I think that unless his wonderful new agent can find a team willing to part with enough assets to make it a no-brainer for us, you keep him.
He will either get his head on right, become a professional, and work on his hands and his craft and ball out, or he won't. The one earns him a big contract in a year or two at the least, the other earns him what he's earned so far - not much. You are right. My feeling is we aren't going to give him a big contract since we just signed Hooper to a big contract. I'd take a 4th rounder and be happy. I don't see a monster season. I see Hooper getting the looks. He has 2 years remaining. That has value. Getting in to the last year doesn't. I guess it's all moot. We aren't going to play this season.
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If he doesn't want to be here, and gives any indication he won't put in the effort. Then let him go.
I know it is tough with limited talent and roster limitations, but damn, if they keep him and he acts up or doesn't give effort, then I hope they move him back to 4th or 5th stringer and let him watch from the bench or better yet, from home.
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Just checking back in to find out if there was any validity to the suggestion that njoku might want to leave because of Baker???? Or does that fall into the wild, untrue, unsubstantiated agenda driven BS catagorey?
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Just checking back in to find out if there was any validity to the suggestion that njoku might want to leave because of Baker???? Or does that fall into the wild, untrue, unsubstantiated agenda driven BS catagorey?
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I already told you it's Tretter!
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Thus far it seems to be the latter of the two.
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Just checking back in to find out if there was any validity to the suggestion that njoku might want to leave because of Baker???? Or does that fall into the wild, untrue, unsubstantiated agenda driven BS catagorey? Your like 60,000,00 out in left field bro.
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He's not asking for himself...
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The last or next to last thing David is asking for has nothing to do with David. It has everything to do with what his team thinks they can suck others out of.
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Just checking back in to find out if there was any validity to the suggestion that njoku might want to leave because of Baker???? Or does that fall into the wild, untrue, unsubstantiated agenda driven BS catagorey? Your like 60,000,00 out in left field bro. From a socially distancing perspective, that ain't all bad. But as someone said, I'm merely trying to validate a rumor someone else suggested.
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Rumors run ramped. The truth runs much deeper.
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Rumors run ramped. The truth runs much deeper. Are u really this naive ... i hope so cause your better than the alternative ... at least u used to be ... Playing in to the stalkers hand ... BRAVO ... 
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Rumors run ramped. The truth runs much deeper. Are u really this naive ... i hope so cause your better than the alternative ... at least u used to be ... Playing in to the stalkers hand ... BRAVO ... Yep I am that naive. But I am also 100 percent correct, so what's your question bro?
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No question ... just an observation ... Here’s another one now that you’ve made it clear ... it’s a real shame you’ve decided to play along with the stalker ...
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WTF are you talking about????? I told you the truth so what in the hell are you taking about bro?
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This how one gets to go play in Canada, I imagine. Too much noise endnote enough poise. Sit a season out!
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Hey there Diam, I've missed your personal attacks. Good to see you again. Hope that you call me a stalker when all I wanted to do is clarify a post and it's meaning. The Post in question implied that njoku might want to leave the team because of Baker. Apparently that's the kind of pure football talk that you think is cool. 
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Just checking back in to find out if there was any validity to the suggestion that njoku might want to leave because of Baker???? Or does that fall into the wild, untrue, unsubstantiated agenda driven BS catagorey? You have brought this up several times. Can you show us the direct quote of someons saying that "Njoku might want to leave because of Baker?" Dude, you are a trouble-maker who tries to get others to gang up on another person. That is why you get called a stalker. I try hard to ignore you on this forum, but that isn't good enough for you. You continually stir-up trouble and resort to outright lies.
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Not at all.... I asked you directly to qualify your post where you insinuated that Njoku might be leaving coz of a player .... You've been back several times and never responded ... Probably because you know it's such an untenable position to take. Full of hate for the QB you can't wait to leave the Browns. Anyone anyone and EVERYONE on this board who knows you and your disdain for Baker knows that was your insinuation. You can try to claim otherwise but that'd be a straight lie.
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j/c:
Kitchens is long-gone. I speculated about this earlier, but perhaps there is a player on the roster that Njoku doesn't really care for? Your post
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Kitchens is long-gone. I speculated about this earlier, but perhaps there is a player on the roster that Njoku doesn't really care for? I am guessing the inference is he doesn't want to play with Baker? Can you confirm that was your intent? If so it would be a little odd that you label Baker as wanting everything handed to him based on a couple of incidental reports about him with the Browns, ignoring his history as a walk on and earning every opportunity he ever received, and then performing excellently for a rookie after having not been prepared for the starting role.... and Njoku seemingly gets a free pass for announcing his wish to leave the team after the Browns sign a bonefide #1 TE, and instead of being labeled a quitter or someone who wants things handed to him you are happy to speculate that it's essentially the QB's fault (or at least it might be). I was high on Njoku when we drafted him, and while he has definitely underwhelmed - I hope we keep him. He and Hooper would be a great 2 TE combo. I wouldn't trade him for anything less than a low 2nd or mid-high 3rd (projected) he has physical gifts that are simply hard to come by, he's had spells where he caught the ball well. I think he can still put it together. My response.
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Kitchens is long-gone. I speculated about this earlier, but perhaps there is a player on the roster that Njoku doesn't really care for? Your post Okay, where did I say that Njoku wants to leave because of Baker? I didn't. You just made that up to try and start another fight. You have brought it up several times throughout the thread. This is why you are called a stalker and a liar. There was talk on the thread about Njoku wanted out going back to last season. Someone mentioned Kitchens as the possible reason. I said Kitchens was long gone and provided an alternative explanation. I tried to ignore your questions because I know how you are. You are looking for another fight and I was trying to avoid one. But, you brought it up over and over and over again. It got to the point where you fabricated the Baker part. I never said that. So now, I have wasted all of this time because you just can't let things go. Again, that is how you got the stalker label. I'll try again. Please leave me alone. I don't like you. I don't want to talk to you. I'm tired of you lying about the things I say. Nothing productive comes from our conversations.
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Kitchens is long-gone. I speculated about this earlier, but perhaps there is a player on the roster that Njoku doesn't really care for? I am guessing the inference is he doesn't want to play with Baker? Can you confirm that was your intent? If so it would be a little odd that you label Baker as wanting everything handed to him based on a couple of incidental reports about him with the Browns, ignoring his history as a walk on and earning every opportunity he ever received, and then performing excellently for a rookie after having not been prepared for the starting role.... and Njoku seemingly gets a free pass for announcing his wish to leave the team after the Browns sign a bonefide #1 TE, and instead of being labeled a quitter or someone who wants things handed to him you are happy to speculate that it's essentially the QB's fault (or at least it might be). I was high on Njoku when we drafted him, and while he has definitely underwhelmed - I hope we keep him. He and Hooper would be a great 2 TE combo. I wouldn't trade him for anything less than a low 2nd or mid-high 3rd (projected) he has physical gifts that are simply hard to come by, he's had spells where he caught the ball well. I think he can still put it together. My response. So you want to try and claim it isn't Baker that you at referring to... hilarious. Please name the player then.
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