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Curious, what does your wife have to say about this coronavirus and the way Trump has handled things?

She really wishes she had access to genomic data on this virus. She thinks this has been manipulated due to the long incubation period.

If she had her way, there'd be handwashing stations everywhere, but that's on a normal day too. Her lock down would have been almost solitary confinement for everyone. You would be changing out masks and gloves everytime you changed rooms, buildings, etc. She also worked contact isolation with MERSA patients, so she believes in extreme santiation.

She's hated the who since she was in government, and said they were useless and corrupt years ago. She's happy we're out of the who.

She would have closed all borders and shut down travel after she read the first reports of wuhan virus back in December. She thinks Trump has done a decent job, considering realities of this world.

I agree with most of what she says.

From what I can find, most people who have looked at the genomic data are convinced that it naturally mutated from an animal, most likely a bat. I don't have any expertise in that area. But i have read that if it was manipulated in a lab that there would be telltale signs.

I do find it concerning that China has a virology lab in Wuhan that studies other coronaviruses. But I have not seen any evidence to suggest this coronavirus escaped from there other than it would make a great story. If it did, of course they would try to cover it up. So lack of evidence could mean there is none or could mean we just haven't found it.

I disagree that Trump has done a decent job.
When we shut down travel from China, I said we need to shut it down from everywhere too just like your wife said. Had we done that we would be in a different situation.

Did Trump make some mistakes early on? Yes but I don't hold that against him. He had to make the best decision possible with the available information which was limited.

What I do hold against him is his complete inability to admit that he made any mistakes. So instead of correcting them, he doubled down on them. His failure to provide a united message has left people with the need to make there own decisions while being given a conflicting message. Had he been on board with even half let alone 2/3rds or what your wife suggested we would be in a much better situation. I think he left too much to the individual governors and then pressured the republican governors to open back up too soon.

Even now he is still saying we have this virus under control when it is clearly running amuck in Texas, Florida, Arizona, California and depending on ones definition of amuck, South Carolina

I disagree with what you said about what Trump did. This should have been under control of each states governors. A one size fits all approach never works, and locals can determine their situation much quicker than the federal gov.

People complain about Trump making mistakes. How would he know what's best to do when dealing with a new virus? Even fauchi was saying "it's OK to take a cruise" and, "it's OK to go to china" as late as March. Would an apology really make you feel that much better? The media wants one so they can say Trump admitted he was wrong, so they have cannon fodder for the election.

"How would he know what's best to do when dealing with a new virus? "

He could looked at the White House’s National Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense play book on pandemics. Oh wait he got rid of that because Obama created it and trump needed to get rid of anything Obama did.

https://khn.org/news/evidence-shows-obama-team-left-a-pandemic-game-plan-for-trump-administration/

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trump-obama-coronavirus-pandemic-response

And if it did exist, it would obviously be the end all and game over perfect book for any and every virus ever to strike this country, because the left's lord/god/savior had his name put on it.

He could have been encouraging people to wear a mask for months. That would have save thousands of lives. One simple thing and he wouldnt do it. trump has killed american citizens due to his lack of leadership. That is a fact

While I agree that sending more power and decision-making to local levels is a good thing, at some point a leader has to see that things are not being done correctly, and step in to make a correction. This is one of the few areas that his previous non-govt experience should've helped him.

His ego is also way out of control, again limiting his ability to lead. As you said, I won't blame him for decisions that had to be made based on limited/inaccurate data. I will blame him for not correcting once better data came through. It should be easy enough to say, "we made the best decision with the info we had, but new info showed that to be wrong and now we're going to do things better". He has failed to do that.

Nicely put.

There is no 'if' about it. 69 pages of well-researched advice. And to help 45* understand the data, the book came with an entire Pandemic Response Team, which the dumbass promptly dismantled because science is for nerds and sissies.

If you persist in trying to defend this fool on this subject, you will take heaps of ridicule and derision, all richly deserved. It's all up to you.

Oh, so you've read it? Heaps of ridicule and derision? Whatever shall I do? Words on a screen just scare me so much.

Has trump read it?

He'll probably read it as much as he's read The Bible in his entire lifetime.

No. I don't work for the president.

I've read countless interviews of members of the transition team who attest that those whom they were trying to brief basically cracked jokes ignored them and took none of it seriously. Some of thos interviewees were members of the national security team, which was over the pandemic response group.

Those tabletop exercises are the main way important information is relayed from the old admin to the new. It's a waste if the incoming people don't take it seriously. Not only was the manual tossed into the trash, the very team we need now was disbanded shortly after 45 took office.

No team in place.
No manual for dealing with the pandemic.
No leadership.
No hope.

So for all you know, the entire manual was crap. Maybe it called for ways to declare martial law and put people in internment camps.

Just like every president, he did his own thing based on the info at hand. To remind everyone of an old saying, "battle plans are perfect until the first bullet is fired".

Wait a second. You're going to tell me that you really needed the government to tell you to wear a mask? The government had to tell you to wash your hands? You needed an example to follow, or you couldn't figure it out for yourself?

No wonder the country's in trouble.

If you want to know why this country is in trouble, look in a mirror.

Me? The guy that goes to work, pays his taxes, pays his bills, doesn't get in trouble with the law? I'm the problem? It's because I'm white, isn't it?

wow ... hey whitey its because you blindly believe everything trump says.

No it's the things you think and believe. Clear and present danger comes to mind just about every other post of yours that I read. We are so far apart on almost every topic that it seems like one of us doesn't fit the society any more... Me or you, who can tell for sure in a world where facts no longer matter and stupidity is on equal footing with intelligence? All I know is 'your political views' turn my stomach. I have nothing against you the person and wish you well, but nothing about your views makes any sense to me.

So a person that pays there Bills, taxes, doesn't get in trouble with law can't be a traitor to a nation?

DAMN! I wouldn't call Erik a traitor, just misguided.

Clear and present danger? Let me spell it out for you what I believe.

People should be responsible for their actions. It's your responsibility to make sure you provide a shelter, food, and comfort for you and your family. It's your responsibility to provide security and protection for you and your family. It's your responsibility to ensure your continuing education and the educations of your family. We should all be good shepards of our lands and use resources wisely. We should treat others the same as we wish to be treated. If we rely I n the government to provide for us, we will only get what the government provides, and government reliance eventually leads to slavery.

You guys are disgraceful.

One guy said that. Not "guys".

lol, Ok Vers, you lead the way and bring me and Erik together on politics and get us on the same page. I've listened to your bellyaching long enough. I'm in, now get Erik in and lead the way to kumbaya politics... or shut up about it. Now is your chance.

I was referring to Daman inferring that Erik is a traitor and that stupid-ass rant of Perfect's.

I pretty much leave Erik alone. He doesn't attack me--and others--like the guys in your group do. I don't think we should hate on people just because they have different political beliefs. It's a free country and people should be able to vote for who they want w/out fear of ridicule and violence.

My bad then, I thought that was a shot for me telling him to look in the mirror because I was quoted first. But seriously, I just don't see a way Erik and I will ever agree on anything politically. EVER.

I do agree with him on responsibilities, but it's hard to believe him on that in one breath when he supports Trump in the next breath which IMHO is the most irresponsible thing he could do politically. Trump is a failure by every measure.

We're supposed to be "nice guys" while people like eric and fish go around being nasty. Vers will make a great Republican.

I would never dare ask you to agree w/him. I strongly believe that we all have the right to choose our political preferences, parties, ideologies, policies, etc. I think different opinions are a great thing because it keeps us all thinking. I could never live in a dictatorship.

OCD, when I talk about "coming together," I am not saying we should all agree on things. I am talking about being tolerant and respecting that we each have a right to choose what we believe in. I don't like intimidation, ridicule, hate for something/someone who is different.

We can disagree on our politics while still respecting each other as men. That all falls apart when folks resort to attacking others or through acts of violence. Those things will always exist, I just think that intelligent, logical, fair folks want to try and limit that type of divisive behavior.

For example, I don't like Bernie. I know you do. I would never tell you to not like him. We might jab one another in a friendly manner, but your decision is yours alone and I would never try and change your mind. So again, when I say "come together," I am NOT talking about us agreeing on political and/or social ideologies. I'm talking about working and living together despite our differences and do so peacefully and respectfully.

Protect the people: when he cut off travel from china, people called him racist. The same with illegal flooding into our country.

He does act like a leader. You don't like his style. The last several leaders we had acted like marshmallows, allowing themselves to be squished into whatever form foreign leaders wanted them. Most of them seem to have signed deals, so they could tell us they signed dwals. Let's not forget the economy and employment successes before the shutdown.

Protect the people: seems to me you miss a lot of that, in relation to rebuilding our military and border security. If you're talking about the virus, I guess our greatest minds could have built a miniaturized machine so he could fly about and shoot virus droplets out of the air, or maybe just assemble a team of experts that said it was still OK to travel to china. Protect yourself.

Funny. Most libs call conservatives nazi or evil. Personally, I just think libs are wrong.

We don't call conservatives names. We disagree with some of their political beliefs, but that's it.

Trump isn't a conservative. And those who make excuses for the most part aren't actual conservatives. They're Trumpians.

Barry had 6 travel bans mostly geared toward MUSLIMS ....WHERES THE OUTRAGE or the xenophobic hue and cry toward that dude from the left.

Where are the posts complaining? And where is your source? Just spouting BS doesn't cut it.

Or are you trying to make it sound like nations we are fighting wars against and those nations who are supporting them is the same thing as what Trump did?