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Yes I did. I probably didn't word my response very well. They debunked the popular myths. I'm just very frustrated with the ignorance of knuckle draggers helping to spread a virus killing so many Americans.

It has nothing to do with math. You missed my point. If a man who goes overseas to shoot bad guys takes precautions to keep his family safe after returning, then my point was I don't blame people who are playing a game feel they have the same responsibility to protect their families.

I take it you were making a reply to someone else.

j/c

Browns’ Jarvis Landry, Myles Garrett & many NFL players launch massive #WeWantToPlay campaign to call out league for lack of player safety amid Covid-19

Updated Jul 19, 2:04 PM; Posted Jul 19, 12:38 PM

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/07...7bIYui7eeMnewig

There are a lot of Tweets included in the article that makes posting it difficult. But it's well worth a read to help understand the players perspective.

I really don't see the NFL playing a full season this year.

Neither do I. You are going to see entire teams shut down.

I don't think it takes 3-4 days to get results other than to filter through the system. I am sure teams have to ability to get overnight results if they contract the lab staff to do that. I don't know what all is involved to find a positive or negative result, but to test 60-70 players and coaches would probably take 10 lab techs doing 8 a night. Maybe more, maybe just 3-4....I just don't know what all is involved.


I also get the feeling the "we want to play" slogan is just a PR deal. I don't think they really want to play. The players just don't want it to look they shut it down.

I am not blaming them at all....just saying.

I agree with you about the PR aspect. I also think the owners giving firm dates of starting camp and players reporting before having a safety agreement in place was a PR move.

I don't blame the players in the least. Hell my wife is a nurse. If I had 10 million in the bank there is no way in hell she would be working this year. Who am I kidding if we had 300,000 in the bank there is no way in hell she would be working this year.

Well, $10 mil, sure. You or she could have retired years ago.

I hear you man. I hear you.

The league and the players agreed on testing protocols:

I just don't see this happening.

No preseason games would not be good for the Browns.

No, it wouldn't be, but it is what it is. Not the best start for Stefanski and staff.

No worries, I would be shocked to see real games being played.


It might start, but by 3-4 games in, it will be postponed with dozens of players testing positive and dozens more deciding to just head to the house, it isn't worth the risk.

This is as foolish as it gets.

I think it would be wise to cancel all preseason games. High schools and colleges don't play preseason games. The exhibition games are just another money-grabbing tool for the NFL.

For awhile, I was thinking that the season would be delayed or canceled. However, my kids and future son-in-law were over this weekend and we were talking about it. The NFL generates a ton of revenue. Hard to walk away from that cash. Also, other economic-generating businesses are open. You can get your hair cut, nails done, teeth cleaned, elective surgeries, etc.

Most businesses are open and people are back to work. Some of the places I mentioned puts people in close contact w/others.

I'm starting to think that the games will be played and fans will either not be permitted to attend games or they will be adequately spaced out.

Yes, the NFL will figure out how to play games.

I am happy about that.

Why would he? There are about ten different sites using the CDC and WHO studies that all say that masks do not protect from influenza and airborne viruses. So he makes a statement suggesting that I don't believe the virus is real. It is real and people die from it, my point is the CDC, WHO, and even Fauci himself have said that the masks do not prevent the spread.

They might. It is big business. It's not just players and team employees.

Many will still feel the brunt of this if fans are limited. You have parking lot owners and attendants. Restaurant owners and employees who look forward to that Sunday crowd. That Sunday rush accounts for a big slice of their pie. When you are working for tips, you want thousands of customers. If you hand out 800 beers over the course of a shift, even if people only leave you .50 cents a beer, That's $400. A pretty good pay day. Most people leave more than that. I generally leave a dollar a beer.

I realize they won't make that much. Most places are on tip share. Tenders usually make the most percentage, wait staff next, then your bus help and washers get tipped out. Cook staff might get something, but they usually just get paid straight...they need to get paid as much as wait staff if not a little more if food is a big draw, so they usually just get a hourly wage. You make $25 a hour as a good cook. Wait staff makes $2.35 a hour plus tips. They share out to tenders, busboys and dishwashers. Tenders keep their tips except to share out to busboys and dishwashers. Got to help out the minimum wage back of the house. If you don't have clean tables and dishware, you have a problem.

Have they said this recently?

No they have not.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-masks-no-longer-needed/

Since at least April 2020, the CDC recommended that everyone wear cloth masks in public to help slow the spread of COVID-19. That recommendation changed because of studies that found even people without coronavirus symptoms, but who may still have the disease, could transmit the virus through close interactions with others, especially through speaking, coughing, and sneezing:

Snopes is a debunked fact checking site

Who gets the doses, sure won't be football players, they are NOT essential. And imagine the social, political crap coming on who gets the vaccine first.

Football players WAY down the line....GO Browns.

I vote NO football this season, how's our new left tackle going to perform with NO preseason games. This whole thing stinks.

Do you have a recent quote from the CDC, WHO, or Fauci saying masks don’t prevent spread?

BREAKING: The #Browns stadium has been renamed. It's now known as "Company A Stadium."

Man you guys are really doom and gloom in here about the season. It's depressing.

MLS figured it out.
The NBA figured it out.
Even the dysfunctional MLB figured it out.

All signs suggest that the NFL is going to figure out how to have a season as well.

In MLS Nashville wasn't even allowed in to play because of the virus.

Even if there is an NFL season, one would have to wonder what that would even look like before it's over.

If the proper protocols are used and there are no fans, I think the NFL can figure it out.

The players in the NBA bubble have had no positive tests recently.

Let's see how that all plays out when there are 22 men on the field, sweating and in close contact with each other.

I'm not saying that it's impossible. What I'm saying is the difficulty factor is much greater than some think.

There are what, now with the rules change, 55 men on the roster alone? Then you have the entire coaching staff and team doctors. There is no other sport I can think of that has even close to that many people to contend with at every game on each team.

If there are 22 players sweating on the field that have tested negative twice in the last 72 hours then the risk of infection is minimal.

Spreading the virus on the field isn't really the issue...

It's about what happens in the team facilities during camp / practice.

We'll see. Like I said, I live close to Nashville and our MLS team couldn't even play this year due to Covid 19.

Nothing could please me more to have a full season of the NFL with everyone healthy. But I don't see it. even The White House has had cases and nobody has more testing than they do.

The MLS is a very different league than the NFL.

I don't think there is any chance an NFL team opts out or doesn't play. There is too much revenue at stake to do that.

For Nashville, they withdrew from the tournament. I also think their decision to withdraw had more to do with the timeline of the tournament, revenue and operational costs than it did with positive cases.

MLS teams also have less depth. 5 players tested positive and would be out for two weeks.

If that happened in the NFL, the team wouldn't shut down.

No, a team wouldn't shut down. However, if it happens that star players from a few of the top teams have to quarantine, there will always be an asterisk attached to this season and nobody will consider it as legitimate.

And now to address the elephant in the room ...


ROGER GOODELL
COM, NFL

Washington Post's Mark Maske reports NFL owners may delay the start of training camp until the teams and the NFLPA can agree to the finances.

The beginning of training camp would open the door to injuries and potential locked-in salaries for the 2020 season, something owners don't want until they've ironed out the details of the league's finances. Essentially, the owners want the salary cap to be reduced in 2020 and 2021, while the player's association wants the reduced cap to spread out as long as possible. An immediate reduction of the salary cap would be added chaos during unprecedented times. Hopefully the two parties can agree to finances within the next few days. The players, in particular the rookies, need practice time.

SOURCE: WashingtonPost.com
Jul 23, 2020, 4:30 PM ET

At this stage, I don't think this is a surprise.

What the players are asking for does seem reasonable. Hopefully the league figures it out and doesn't drag their feet like the MLB.

First it was safety and now the cap. I wonder what roadblock will come next?

It's rather odd coming from Goodell. The cap is supposed to be set by the previous seasons income. Now he wants to adjust things to what the NFL "might or might not make" this year?

I’d agree it’s reasonable ... practicals another story ..

IF we knew things would return to “normal” next year it would be a lot less of a risk for the owners to pay out money this year there not going to have and spread the pain out ... there gonna lose a ton of revenue this year and there’s no guarantee there’ll be butts in the seats next year plus they may lose more then they think from the kneeling whe things do return to “normal” ...

It’ll be interesting to watch this play out ...