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Boy, 16, was given estrogen for behavioral disorder while in L.A. juvenile hall, suit alleges

By JAMES QUEALLY STAFF WRITER
JULY 15, 20205 AM

A 16-year-old boy being held at a Los Angeles County juvenile hall developed enlarged breasts after he was prescribed estrogen to treat a behavioral disorder, a move that baffled doctors who said the treatment defied medical logic, according to a lawsuit filed last month.

The teen, whose identity is being withheld because of his age, was diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder, or ODD, two days after he was arrested and housed at Eastlake Juvenile Hall in June 2019, the lawsuit said. Medical records reviewed by The Times show that the teen’s testosterone levels were “slightly high” when the doctor who diagnosed him prescribed daily doses of estrogen.

Estrogen regulates the development of female sexual characteristics and reproduction. Men produce the hormone at much lower levels.

After taking approximately 13 daily doses of the hormone, the teen was diagnosed with gynecomastia, defined as the enlargement or swelling of breast tissue in males whose estrogen level is too high, medical records show.

ODD, a behavioral condition that is sometimes suffered by patients with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, is normally treated with therapy, said James McGough, a professor of clinical psychiatry at UCLA.

“Estrogen is not a treatment for ODD. I can’t be more emphatic about that,” McGough said. “You won’t find a reference anywhere that supports the use of estrogen for ODD.”

The lawsuit described the treatment as “experimental.” The doctor who prescribed the estrogen, Danny [censored], could not be reached for comment.

Los Angeles County’s juvenile detention facilities are overseen by the Probation Department. Medical needs are provided by Juvenile Court Health Services, which falls under the county Department of Health Services. In an e-mail, a Department of Health Services representative confirmed that [censored] has been employed by the county since 2012 but declined to comment on his current status with the agency, describing it as a “confidential personnel matter.” The department declined to comment on the lawsuit.

The suit — which names as defendants the county, [censored] and David Oh, medical director of Juvenile Court Health Services — alleges medical battery and negligence.

Probation officials and the teen’s attorney, Wesley Ouchi, declined to say why he was in custody. Ouchi said the boy, now 17, was released in April and will require surgery to treat the physical issues he developed as a result of the estrogen treatment.

[censored] prescribed a daily regimen of 2 milligrams of estrogen to be taken in pill form, according to medical records. The boy’s parents were not aware that he had been diagnosed with ODD or was undergoing treatment until late July 2019. Doctors said the treatments should not have been carried out without the parents’ consent.

The boy’s father, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect his son’s identity, said he found out about the estrogen pills when he visited the juvenile hall one weekend last July.

“When I found out they were giving him the pill, I was like, why didn’t they ask me? When I found out what kind of pill was it, I was like, this is terrible,” the father said. “He’s only 16, and they were forcing him to take it.”

The father said he later confronted Oh, the medical director, over the phone. Oh admitted that [censored] had made “a mistake,” the father said. The health services representative declined to comment on Oh’s alleged remark due to the ongoing litigation.

The treatments stopped last July, after the teen began to complain of negative side effects and refused medication, records show. Prior to that, Ouchi said, his client felt compelled to take the pills because he feared that disobeying [censored] would have a detrimental effect on his pending criminal case.

Reports from probation officers about a youth’s time in custody can carry significant weight at sentencing hearings, and the teen’s case had not been adjudicated at the time [censored] prescribed him the estrogen, Ouchi said.

Ouchi also alleges the boy was bullied by other youths in custody once his gynecomastia symptoms developed.

“As a teenager, he felt self-conscious already,” Ouchi said. “Going through these changes made it a lot more traumatic for him.”

Sara Coffey, director of child and adolescent psychiatry at Oklahoma State University, said ODD is normally diagnosed in children between the ages of 6 and 12. Children diagnosed with the disorder often struggle with authority, in school or in social settings. Common treatments include family therapy or medications that have had success in aiding juveniles with ADHD, including Ritalin and Adderall.

Using hormones to treat ODD might actually worsen the situation, Coffey said.

“The other concern I have, as a psychiatrist, is that we know hormones play a role in mood,” she said. “If his mood got disrupted, that could only further complicate things.”

Estrogen is normally stocked at L.A. County juvenile facilities for use as part of hormone therapy for contraception and treatment of gender dysphoria, according to the health services representative.

The boy’s father said the hormone therapy has had a long-term effect on his son, who now scares easily and has become antisocial.

“He’s like a different person. He just wants to be in his room, and he don’t come out for nothing, all day in his room,” the father said. “He was never like that.”

Times staff writer Jaclyn Cosgrove contributed to this report.

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The doctor is Danny W@ng.. evidently the censor doesn't like that word..

we often talk about criminal justice reform from a very broad position.

what needs to be highlighted and specified is Prison reform. and our juvenile systems need some serious reforming.

here's a couple of lines that stood out to me in this article:

Los Angeles County’s juvenile detention facilities are overseen by the Probation Department. Medical needs are provided by Juvenile Court Health Services, which falls under the county Department of Health Services. In an e-mail, a Department of Health Services representative confirmed that [censored] has been employed by the county since 2012 but declined to comment on his current status with the agency, describing it as a “confidential personnel matter.” The department declined to comment on the lawsuit.

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Sara Coffey, director of child and adolescent psychiatry at Oklahoma State University, said ODD is normally diagnosed in children between the ages of 6 and 12. Children diagnosed with the disorder often struggle with authority, in school or in social settings. Common treatments include family therapy or medications that have had success in aiding juveniles with ADHD, including Ritalin and Adderall.

Using hormones to treat ODD might actually worsen the situation, Coffey said.

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ive mentioned this before, but there's absolutely zero rehabilitating in US prison systems. whatever 'rehabilitating' that MIGHT go on there is basically the guards and staff giving prisoners something to do or read, with practically worthless certificates because they know these prisoners are screwed once they're out in the real world, anyway.

this article highlights the misconduct, mistreatment, and straight up lazy and negligent nature of our prison systems and what we ask those staff members to deal with.

i can almost guarantee this was done simply because the actual cost of therapy was more expensive than the drugs they got through government programs and grants for prisons.

throw some pills at these kids and call it a day. ya know, like the VA system does to veterans everyday.

This is unbelievably sad and ridiculous... I totally agree with Swish... need some major reform of our detention centers...

how in the world a medical professional would think prescribing estrogen to a male to treat ODD would be beneficial is beyond me...

Agree. Desperately sad.

Los Angeles County is a Democrat controlled country and has voted Democrat in every Presidential Election in the last 4 decades. the Democrats have pretty much complete power there.

Why am i not suprised to see this going on?

Again, The left wants to micro manage your life. They know whats better for your kids than you do.

This should be a big wake up call for most moderate Democrats. This is the kinda stuff they do in Communist and Socialist countries. Along with the Democrats and Obama's VA hospitals scandal and now this...disgusting..

To think this sort of trash is only happening in democratic controlled cities is beyond ignorant.

But I’m not surprised you made the comment.

There's a lot of "real Nazi style stuff going on right under our noses". So let's not pretend there isn't, okay?

This is certainly horrible and the same type of experimental BS used to be done to our military personnel. Of course we had KoB on here with his typical BS.

They need to find out who was responsible for making this decision and hold them accountable.

I agree.

This is just one example where the guy got caught because the effects were so visible and obvious. How much of this crap goes on where nobody got caught because the effects weren't as obvious or there just wasn't somebody (like this kids dad) who was close enough to give a crap and push it?

Our prisons are pretty much just about punishment, not rehabilitation. I'm far from an expert but from what I think I know, you can have access to resources to (finish your education, get a degree, learn a skill, etc) which could turn your life around but you really have to want it, you have to be completely self-motivated and disciplined enough to do it entirely on your own. And let's be honest, those usually aren't the people who end up on prison in the first place.

And even then, finding somebody who will give you a chance once you get out is still pretty difficult.

I knew somebody from a short list would chime in with a stupid comment like this....

It wouldn't surprise me if it comes out that the kid identifies as female, and the dad's a major homophobe.

Or the "doctor" was abusing him.

Something seems to be missing/not quite add up anyway.

I think the more obvious answer is that the kid has uncontrolled aggression, the real treatment is costly and time consuming, the culture has been trying to feminize the masculinity out of boys for decades.. so the doctor was just experimenting on an inmate to see if he could achieve what he thought the culture wanted.

Kids with uncontrolled aggression frequently hide in their rooms and avoid talking to people, do they?

Most real answers with regards to the motivations of human actions aren't obvious. Especially when only drawing from information from an article.

It seems as though he feels we should go back to the times of Jesse James. I mean before men were feminine and all.

Im getting really tired of dudes who came from this era:



Talking about anybody being feminine. Y’all dudes in the 80’s went of your way to look as much like chicks as possible.

I don’t wanna hear it.

Not me. I had my hair at 3/8ths of an inch in my last 2 years of high school.

j/c:

The length of one's hair defines a person's masculinity? LMAO.......y'all are a trip!

This is exactly it. I'm surprised that you're being dismissed and ridiculed over it. I'm not surprised to see that no one has put forth an alternate reason as to why estrogen was chosen instead of something else. Admittedly I'm not current on drug prices, but I'd hazard a guess that hormone therapy is more expensive than giving the kid a bunch of anti-depressant/anti-anxiety pills. Which they normally would do.

Well, not to put to fine of a point on it, being speculation and all... but given the kid who doesn't appear to have been wanting to transition, developed breasts... I'm sure it's quite possible if not likely that his major issue was no longer aggression but anxiety.


Look at what happened to Biff Tannen. All it took was for George McFly to punch him back once and got his aggression under control. Imagine if Marty and the Doc kept going back in time to the 50's and secretly slipping Biff estrogen pills.... I think Back to the Future 2 starts off a tad different...

I'm certainly glad I didn't grow up in the 80's. But did you see those old dudes in the wigs during colonial times? They must have been confused about gender.

bro dudes were walking around with wigs and heels on back in those days.

straight up looking like they had a whole bunch of sugar in that tank.

and dont get me started on the egyptians.

And let's not even get into James Buchanan. When your boyfriend lives with you in The White House it's a little silly to talk about "these days".

Whoever this doctor was giving boys estrogen ought to lose their license forever and serve serious jail time. It does not take a study to figure out what happens to young men when you give them female hormones.