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They don't have to identify themselves and if you lie to them, it is a felony whether they identify themselves or not.
Way too much power.

ive been staying in touch with PDX who is out there, and man these jack booted thugs are out of control.

i mean look at this crap:

https://katu.com/news/local/photos-saturday-night-protests-in-portland

wanna act like soldiers? just the freaking army. this aint the middle east. these law enforcement agencies out here taking warrior classes all the time. out here with military equipment doing nothing but making things worse.

dont think for a second that all that military gear doesnt effect their pysche, because it absolutely does. makes them feel like bad asses, especially combined with the trash ass training they receive from the departments.

american law enforcement isnt here to protect and serve. they are here to enslave and punish. and they get a kick out of it. screw them.

freaking trash ass law enforcement will do this to people in the city, but let some right wingers storm government buildings and property with ZERO pushback.

trash. all of them.

we had way more stricter rules of engagement and escalation of force in FREAKING IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN than these clown ass law enforcement personnel do here in America.

i cant believe we live in a country where that is even remotely acceptable. i cant believe we live in a country where law enforcement shows more hostility to the american people than us SOLDIERS did to middle easterns.

i can honestly say that us soldiers had better relationship with the local population in the middle east than law enforcement does with our people here in America.

defund these nut bags.

retrain every last officer. and if they dont accept it, fire their punk asses and ban them from any law enforcement position ever again.

this has escalated far beyond just police brutality in black communities. these lawless cops are harassing and assaulting americans of all walks of life.

and they must be stopped at all cost.

NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE

guess ill be going back to the gun store and getting armed to the teeth like i use to.

come to my crib and try that crap, and ill show you what military training REALLY looks like.

I would have no issue with officers arresting protesters that were out of line, but no identification and just grabbing people, how do you know these aren't Eric Prince's Black Water goons, or some white trash racist militia... brown shirts.

And for those who asked, I heard the Mayor on TV say that they are no communicating or coordinating with them, they were not asked to be there by locals, and nobody seems to be able to verify who they are 100%... scary times.

Will you please provide the quote? You can't No one said that. You are just lying again. Dude, you have no shame.

Yet, you are okay w/protestors blocking exit doors w/fence materials they knocked down and then setting fire to the building.

You foolish folks are going to cause a war that will tear apart this country. And I am talking about the extremists on both sides.

Yes, because if the stupid ass right wing militias can take over federal property and the government just sit on their asses, than the people in Portland can take over the streets.

Go sit on the sidelines like you’ve done all your life. Continue being useless, while others go fight for what they believe in.

I am not useless. I actually work. You should try it. I am also not sitting on the sidelines. I am speaking out against hateful souls like you and the extremists on the other side.

I don't like any of you. I find you all deplorable. I want to champion intelligent, rational, fair folks who care more about others and this country's well-being than the extremist idiots on both sides of the issue.

Let's get this straight............I am going to fight trouble-makers like you every step of the way. And you can't stop me w/your juvenile insults.

Blah blah blah. I dong like any of you so much that imma continue going on rants about both sides non stop.

Heard it all before. Yawn.

Dong?

No offense but you sound like a white rural redneck Right winger.....

#TimeToBoog
#BoogerEatersUnite
#BlackLivesMatterSoWhite

but I agree... we must be stopped AT ALL COSTS!!!

No not lying ... all in black and white. Three quotes - in full - from people including yourself .... none of them acknowledge or qualify that there were peaceful protesters and violent protesters. All imply implicitly that all Portland Protesters are the same and should be treated the same.

You are the liar. You are the protagonist. You are the one trying to manipulate the discussion to your agenda in a way where you think you can be the savior.

Turn that mirror, ever so slightly .... that's you.

So youre saying there are no rioters, looters, arsonists, vandals in Portland? Destroying the property of innocent businesses? Destroying their own neighborhoods?

And somehow people are supposed to see that as a positive message of change?

Are you mental?

All of this criminal behavior enforces anti-black sterotypes and destroys every productive message you chose to try to put forth.


Its like thanksgiving. There is the adult table. And the kids table.

As long as you lead with violence and tantrums you will always sit at the kids table.

Not what I said at all. I said there are peaceful protesters AND violent ones.

But even though you didn't ask - I don't personally think graffiti is really all that big a deal. Looting, arson - different categories altogether, and can be dealt with harshly. But the looting and arson by the few doesn't give 'law enforcement'a blank check to treat the masses as if they are all guilty because they may or may not be protesting the same issue. Personally I don't think the looters and arsonists are protesting... they are opportunistic hoodlums.

Thanksgiving might be a good analogy - but instead of thinking in terms of adults and kid tables .... I think of the violent protesters as the freeloader relatives that don't give a chit about family or the holiday itself, they are their just to get whatever they can for themselves.

I can agree with that analogy.

I am not sure how to have peaceful protests without the violence factor.
Other than the black community calls them out, which they havent.

So - if it's hard to imagine how to orchestrate a peaceful protest without the violence that follows (and I agree) - both because some of the genuine protesters get so emotionally charged and because there are undoubtedly instigators there for opportunistic reasons and let's not forget those that infiltrate the protest to make them look bad (we've had evidence of that too) .... should the peaceful protesters not protest? Should they more actively call out the violent protesters and spend more energy there? Or should they protest what they believe to be right and let the rest play out because it is not in their power to control?

I've certainly seen community leaders and organizers decry the violence and the distraction that it creates. I don't know if it has been loud enough ... but easy to understand that the moment they start fighting that issue maybe they feel they are not focusing on what the bigger issue was in the first place? I honestly don't know. But to me the reason why the many are protesting has my attention, more so than the fringes who are taking advantage of the situation.

You do realize that all the"violent and destructive" protesters aren't all black, right? There have been pretty of everyone that we least since if the violence and destruction was caused by white people just to cause problems, over if which was even a cop!

It's not anyone's responsibility to denounce criminals just because they share a race

I know 'black community' was in the post you responded to... but I don't think it was as much a race comment as any organizer or participant of the protests that Eve was referring to. That's how I read it least ways.

Yes, I understand the vandals are multi-racial.

Many of the protestors are mutli-racial.

There will be violence no matter what because there are always bad apples.

But the protestors dont distance themselves from that.
They are Ok with it.
BLM is ok with it.
Blacks on this forum are ok with it. Swish wants to burn it down.

Like yall gonna sit at the kids table until you grow the f up.

Maybe they should read up on mlk and gandhi. Nonviolent protests have worked so well in the past, why not now? I think people paid more attention during the nonviolent protests of the civil rights movement. I think they all get lumped into "rioters" now.

Like I said, they get lumped in. The message gets lost.


I like that. Go sit at the kids table. We can look over, smile some, maybe even laugh a little bit.

Well then those who stand with white supremacists, and racists need to get the same treatment as well from the trump admin.. but won’t. Pffft trump and his racist supporters.

j/c:

ThEy aRe aLl pEaCeFuL pRoTeStErS!!








































#AntifaIsn'tReal!
#AllSupremacistsInDisquise

And yet that still won’t stop you from shooting me when I get pulled over.

Which ones,, The ones sent in by The Proud Boys,, or the KKK or the Neo Nazis.... Which ones are criminals

Do you really think people are incapable of reading?

I don't see one word about how any of us said that there are no peaceful protestors.

There are peaceful protestors, but there are people on here acting like violence and destruction of property isn't occurring and that law enforcement are the bad guys.

I'm sick of your constant lies and manipulation of the truth. You have a history of quoting people and then misrepresenting what they are saying while you attack their character. Your unsavory tactics place you at the bottom of the totem pole.

Ngo... is that all you got? Pfft.

j/c

How can we preach tolerance, understanding, unity (and all that good stuff) to the outside world when we can't practice it within our own small 'community' here on this board? Even starting now, it will take more than one or two generations to effect change...

Yes people can read and realize you are outrageous and a HUGE hypocrite.... those quotes all indicate violence with no reference or acknowledgement or hint of peaceful protests. Those quotes that present only one side of the issue are exactly what you have been railing against (when it suits your cause) for the last few weeks.

One thing is for DAMN sure - there is more support for what I said and then quoted, than your continued and repeated statement that posters wanted to give Baker a completely free pass on his performance last year and blame Freddie, OL etc than proportion blame on Baker (which no-one said EVER but you wrote dozens and dozens and dozens of times).... It's also more accurate than your continued statements about a "Gang" on this board that is out to get you, which is entirely a figment of your victim mentality ..... so quit trying to find fault with a technicality that YOU invent and calling me a liar. It's getting old. It shows your hate and obsession, just like your hate and bile towards Pit and Swish any and every chance you get. Yes - people can read and people see your hypocrisy.

No one cares if these jackasses are being preyed upon.

jc...

Found the info below while searching for something else. It seems that Andy Ngo, the guy posting the twitter video clips, was outed back in 2019.

Click the link if you want more info...


Right-wing "journalist" Andy Ngo outed: Video shows him hanging out with far-right hate group.

Ngo was embraced by Ted Cruz and interviewed by Jake Tapper. But maybe he was just an alt-right troll all alongIGOR

DERYSHAUGUST 28, 2019 11:00AM

link

Andy Ngo, the right-wing journalist and provocateur who was embraced by mainstream Republicans and covered favorably in mainstream media after he was attacked by antifa activists during a street fight in Portland, Oregon, may suddenly be persona non grata among conservatives. Nearly all mentions of Ngo were scrubbed from the upscale right-wing publication Quillette after a newly-released video showed him acting friendly with members of Patriot Prayer, a far-right hate group that has repeatedly sought out fights with leftists.

This is laughable on many levels. But salon.com is #1.

Its about time they started arresting these people.

Right. It's about time they started arresting peaceful protesters in unmarked vans with no identifying information visible.

I'm all for arresting people who destroyed property and attack others. They deserve what they get.

The issue is with them arresting people this way with little or no evidence. It's a fear tactic. They're trying to scare people into not protesting whether they're violent or not. They shot an innocent man in the face and nothing will happen to the guy that did it. They drag an man into a van and held him with no or little, false at that, evidence that he did anything.

""Antifa and BLM rioters tore down what remains of the heavy fencing protecting the Portland federal courthouse""

So - what makes these people who are not protesting - but rather vandalizing and setting fires - members of Antifa and BLM? where does that label come from?

I watched 2 videos - I don't think I saw a single black person turning over the barriers or starting/feeding the fire .... does that mean anything?

From what I do know - there has been as much actual evidence that the rioting was being instigated/committed by Alt Right groups as anyone associated with Antifa or BLM .... does that mean anything?

Got to have law and order