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Over 1000 Americans have died for several days in a row now. Not only do you have the players themselves, but their families, coaching and medical staffs along with supporting field crews, those preparing their meals and lodging.

You listed as excuses for "being overly dramatic" some of the very measures that have been passed that has help lead to the rising death count.

Don't sit here and play the victim card now. Own it.

The body count indicates nothing is "being overly dramatic". So yeah, when you say some of the things you say you're gong to get called on it. Deal with it.

And at least if your skin is crawling and your blood is boiling, you know you're still alive. That means you're doing a lot better than over 150,000 other Americans right now.

This is my last reply on the subject. Pit is lying about me saying I was okay w/people dying of Covid and all I was concerned about was my kids surviving it. That is a complete fabrication of what I was talking about. It's disgusting that people resort to such irresponsible and hateful messages to try win some stupid board argument.

Once again, I do not think outright lies should be permitted on this board when they are intended to slander another person's character. It is my hope that the refs will discuss that and do the right thing.

I'll allow your words to speak for themselves. People can read the things I quoted you as saying. You downplayed the impact of coronavirus in regards to the NFL and later mentioned how your kids were fine in some manner to reinforce it.

You said the concern of other people were "overly dramatic".

Now you lambaste me by calling me disgusting. Take a look in the mirror Vers.

You've been whining about the rules around here for quite a while now. Now you think the refs are going to rewrite the rules to suit your wishes. Get a clue man.

Good way to tank without looking like you are. Not saying they are doing that, but it would work. Trevor Lawrence is sitting there waiting

This a COVID strand. I have been looking for names of "Players considering sitting out." I appreciate the intensity and see it as important. We are not following the title. We seem to be turning up more NFL players who are not playing.

Not personal, but might we re-visit the focus? Or split this thing up?

Belichek is doing whatever he can to make sure he gets the #1 pick.

Few days doesn't have to mean 2-3 days.

We'll see what happens.

I read where players can opt out until Aug 3rd and get something. That is 5 more days including today.

I don't know if we have had any at this point, but I'd expect to see at least a few by next Monday.

The scary thing is how quickly it spread through the Marlins clubhouse. It may spread further. All it takes in one person and BOOM, you can have 20 infected.

I think players are waiting. All it will take is one big time player to opt out and the floodgate will open. If baseball has more problems over the next day or two, the NFL has a problem.

I think a lot of wives will have a "Come to Jesus" meeting with their husbands over the weekend, especially if they have children in the house.

I really think there are different strains of this thing. Some that are more severe and some that are not severe at all.

Out of all the 17 Marlins that tested positive, how many have had troubling symptoms, how many are asymtomattic?

The good news is that no other teams have had positive tests. So if MLB and NFL can get the isolation process right, it can be managed.

It has been working in South Korea. We just have to use them as a template.

J/C

I have a friend who plays in the NFL. He says that he expects a lot of players to opt out ... there’s a lot of talk and threats privately. He also thinks OL/DL are far more likely to opt out given their position. Makes sense to see DTs leading the way thus far

I think dosage is also an issue. How much and for long did you get exposed to it.

But it would be interesting to know how the players are currently fairing.

I haven't heard about there being different strains. I just think it impacts people differently. Kind of like a cold. Some people, mild that last 4-5 days. Others, heavy symptoms that seem to linger near 3 weeks.

This.
Viral load is showing up as a major factor. You walk past a COVID positive person on a trail and breathe in a virus or three of theirs... likely you’ll not get sick. Or at least be asymptomatic.
Spend and hour at dinner, sitting across a table from a COVID positive friend.... good luck.

That’s why outdoor backyard BBQs and gatherings can lead to outbreaks. It’s one thing to spend 10-15 minutes with a buddy chatting outdoors. It’s another to be masklessly eating and drinking beers in a backyard for three hours with friends. Social distance has limitations.

The thing is S. Korea had the virus pretty well under control as a nation before trying to implement sports. It seems we're trying to do it backwards.

There's really no way to compare the two at this juncture.

The interesting thing with that is you almost would WANT to be exposed to small viral load to develop the antibodies in the event you are eventually exposed to more viral load.

And... you would want to have this happen at least once ever 3 or 4 months so your body keeps the antibodies in your system.

But does it work that way?

You get around someone with a cold, maybe you build some antibodies, but you usually catch the cold.

That I don't know. I think, if you have already had that strain of the cold then I don't think you get it. If it is a new mutation, then you wouldn't have the antibodies for that strain.

It may work that way with controlled doses in an immunization shot. But in the way strife describes it there's no way to control what dose you're exposed to which has helped lead to the pandemic we see now.

In the studies I’ve read thus far those that are asymptomatic or only get very minor symptoms have very little antibody response. Most asymptomatic carriers have no antibodies at all.
They get exposed but don’t have enough of a viral load to trigger a strong antibody response.

Thanks. Like I said, I don't know. I am not going to talk about it like I know what I am talking about. I just ask questions. I just wash up, wear my mask, use hand sanitizer often and spray stuff down with the two cans of Lysol I was able to find.....it's still hard to find that stuff.

"Marlins' 2020 season is paused by MLB after COVID-19 outbreak among players, coaches"

They have been playing a little over a week. It is not possible to keep the players and coaches safe and play an NFL season. Not possible. 152,000 Americans have died so far and that number is continuing to rise each and every day(1,144 yesterday).Over 1000 a day now. That is 30,000 a month. Until there is a vaccine, all sports teams should shut it down! Players and coaches will get sick, some may get VERY sick and some might die...

I watched a CNN interview with Adam Silver, NBA Commish, and came away very impressed both with the man and their process. They may have a shot at completing their 'season' in October...

Playing in a bubble is their big advantage.

The bubble is safer than not the bubble. Everyone is tested everyday (even workers who don’t stay in the bubble). I wish I had a bubble to go to.

LOL...nice.

A few are going to break the bubble, then there is no bubble. You'll be trapped inside.

I remember this movie from when I was a kid, called the boy in the plastic bubble, or something like that.

You aren’t trapped in the bubble.

If people go in and out, what's the point of having a bubble?

So you are tested daily. It takes time to get results. If 1 person brings it in, the bubble is over. So now you are sitting in a contaminated environment.

I cant help but think of Seinfeld with all of this bubble talk haha.

There’s no doubt it’s more efficient and safe ... but obviously the MLB and NFL didn’t bargain that and had too much pushback

The NBA developed a very sound plan. They have a chance.

The players in MLB said they did not not want to play in a bubble. There was talk about dividing the teams into 4 regions and having them play in that location, but the players nixed that idea and some of the owners were not keen on it either.

I don't think it would be feasible to find a location or locations to do something similar w/the NFL.

I meant if there is an outbreak you can leave.

There are tests now, like the NBA is using, where you get results back within minutes.

OK...got you now. When I read it this morning, well, it came across like you were being a dork.

Honest question because I don't know the answer ... I *thought* you could have CV-19 in the early stages before being symptomatic and not show positive in a test? Is that correct? If you can have early stage CV-19 and not test positive, can you still transmit to others at that stage?

Is it a coincidence that Miami is one of the hotspots in the US right now, and the Marlins team is all infected? It's a different culture there, to many Floridians, Miami is not even considered part of Florida, it's like it's own little republic over there.

I think the problem becomes that there are many hot spots that have NFL teams so it's not limited to Miami. Even in Florida the Tampa Bay area isn't doing well. You have Houston, both L.A. teams, New Orleans, Nashville and others.

If it were simply a Miami problem it could probably be circumvented.

I believe that, yes, you can be infected and not test positive in the earliest days of the infection.

I am nearly certain that you cannot transmit to others and not test positive.

You can transmit to others even if you have no symptoms, but you would test positive if tested.


**of course, this all assumes that the test itself isn't faulty and is actually detecting sars-cov-2.

I just saw where a few Philly staffers just tested positive. The Blue Jays Philly series has been postponed. I wonder how many Philly players start to test positive over the next few days?

I heard the visitors clubhouse attendant tested positive but no players or any other staff ...

Where did u hear that two philly staffers caught it?

ESPN....Philly manager was quoted. Maybe 45 minutes ago.