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That's what it's taken to invoke change in the past.

Medgar Evers. Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman and James Chaney were killed by a Ku Klux Klan mob near Meridian, Mississippi. JFK, MLK and RFK.... all killed. Actually more people than I can find and named were killed. Thse just happen to be the most famous ones.

It wouldn't be the first time our government will have killed protestors if this happens. William Schroeder, Allison Krause, Jeffrey Miller, and Sandra Scheur, the four Kent State University students that were killed by our own government forces in 1970.

There were a couple of lessons learned by at least some people from what happened at Kent state. The fact that you shouldn't be surprised if your own government kills you. Once you kill a few people, it only makes a movement stronger.

It won't surprise me if it happens. I mean after all Trump is the closest thing I've seen to Nixon. What may surprise you is how much stronger it will make the movement and how many more people will come to their cause.

The last time that happened it forced an end to a war.

One thing the protest movement has figured out over time. If you give up and go home before change happens, it will never happen.

That's what they said in the 60's.

I'm calling BS..It's been on everywhere....

j/c:

The last time I was suspended was when I was arguing w/one of the right-wingers on here about shooting protestors.

I don't care what side you are on........I don't agree w/shooting one another.

This won't be popular, but I don't think any civilian should be allowed to carry guns in places where there are political demonstrations/protests. Leave your damn guns at home.

If that could be enforced that would be wonderful. I would totally agree.

The problem is in our nation we have certain legal rights and the constitution that would make that hard if not impossible to enforce.

I mean look at the tantrums people have over wearing a mask claiming "mah freedoms!". Could you imagine trying to tell them they can't legally carry a gun? I understand that you could make a law saying they couldn't carry one in a certain area. But the claim would be that the constitution overrides any other law. And they would probably be right.

What end game Nadler said that there are no protests and it was a Washinton made up myth

Source?

I took it as him saying that Antifa being behind it was the myth - JMO

Exaggerated yes, do not exist, no.


The protests in Portland are pretty much contained to a single block. The administration and many of their supporters make it sound like the city is under siege. That's the images they show and the message they send.

Neither side is innocent here.

The whole city is not on fire like this person claims in his final comment, but Nadler's reponse is reckless political posturing.

I didnt catch that about antifa the first time but you are wright but it was lie as usual from a dbag lib leader

Nadler looked like a hobo. His belt riding up over the top of his pants..lol

You support Trump and have the kahunnas to call the liberals liars?

That's all you got? Damn Peen, sounds like it's all about the show to you.

What else do you want me to say, that he doesn't know what he is talking about?

I posted this... maybe it was glossed over by the masses.

Seattle police release bodycam footage of violent protests as city strapped by lawless weekend

Police said 59 officers were injured and dozens of protesters arrested

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-police-bodycam-video-weekend-protests

How can that be true? Trump said the feds have done "a great job there"?

As the number of protestors have increased and things have escalated, how can that be true?

What is the map supposed to demonstrate? It's hard to tell from the map if the area is big or not big. I'm assuming you posted it to indicate it's not big. But I'm not sure that's evident from the map. There are a number of streets and "sections" of town that appear to be within the zone.

Can you provide a little more context into what it is you are trying to highlight?

Like Portland's map post, this post has yet to receive a response. I've had this same thought myself. What is the end game? What are the actions that are supposed to come out of the protests to make things better?

I'm a victim of being a left brained person. Identify problem, identify action items to solve problem, execute action items. So I can't help but think in terms of that.

What is it that the protests are trying to accomplish at this stage and how does it get accomplished?

So far the issue of police brutality have not been addressed. I think you can start with that and add to it if you like. There are systemic problems which are obvious. People have learned from the past. Once you stop protesting nothing will be done.

So is protesting to indefinitely supposed to fix police brutality? Or better stated, how is the protesting helping to fix police brutality? What is everyone else besides the protesters supposed to be doing right now to help solve this? What is the message that those that need to hear it should be getting and better yet, what should they be doing?

Your answer was very generic. I guess I'm struggling with how the protests, at this stage, are helping to stop police brutality.

Probably the same way that every protest this nation ever seen that invoked change has done. Will it be successful? I have no idea. How was protesting civil rights supposed to help that cause? How about the women's suffrage movement? The protests against the Vietnam war?

The answers to your questions have been posted ad nauseam. The proposals to help end police brutality have been posted, discussed and repeated for everyone to see. So yes, my answers are rather generic. The reason for that are that anyone actually looking for those answers can find them easily.

I'm not trying to be snarky here though I know it may come across that way. I simply propose that if you are seriously looking for answers to those questions a little effort on your part would easily supply you with those answers.

For me to post them would only lead to several pages of bickering and arguing yet again.

I didn’t create the map. I agree it’s not super clear as the colors the maker chose don't do a good job of clearly defining the areas.
So note on the map there’s a purplish red line around the Portland. It outlines the large highlighted area that makes up most of the map. That’s Portland. Towards the center of the map is downtown. It’s surrounded by a small ring of highways. In the center-ish if that is a small red dot. That’s the ENTIRE area of ‘riots that are destroying Portland’.
Perspective. It’s a couple of blocks in a much larger city. I live here. Besides knowing and talking with a few folks that are down there regularly I’d not know it was happening for all intents and purposes. I drive through downtown for work... haven’t seen a thing. Business as usual, for COVID times.

Thanks. That was helpful.

No, he said Antifa is a myth...

Too add as a general statement...
Saying Portland is overrun, lawless, burning down, chaos, or other such hyperbole is like saying your house is on fire because you lit a match.

No, just the federal courthouse is under siege at this point. The feds were right in sending a force to protect the courthouse. The feds were wrong in allowing that force to wander blocks away arresting people not involved with the courthouse. The protestors are wrong in now taking the fight to the feds who have stayed behind a fence and on the courthouse grounds ever since.

Biggest problem many may not understand is that there are two protest groups in Portland.. there is the dusk to midnight protest group which has generally been pretty peaceful, then when they go home a lot of the troublemakers come out and the violence really amps up through the night.. so when people say the protests have been "generally peaceful" they are talking about the first group and they are right... and when people say every protests turns violent, they are talking about the second wave and they are also right..

One of my favorite tweets was from, I think it was NBC... had a quick video clip of fireworks and lasers being shot at the police while objects were being thrown at them... they were behind the fence and in the building, a fire raged just outside.. the tweet said the "peaceful protest intensified"... LMAO.. yea, it intensified into violence, they just won't say it.

Sorry man, if I owned a business my family built and it was my livelihood, I'd have my two Glocks with drop clips and a fully loaded shotgun to meet them.

My youngest son, you met him 25 years ago, would probably be there as well, so we would have a few shotguns.

I am simply not going to stand by and watch people destroy my property.

I might lose in the end, but there will be more losers on the other side. Guns a blazing....F 'em.

If you had stated, "a minority of the protestors are wrong" we would agree. There are thousands of protestors showing up every night. It's a small portion of the protestors that are the problem. But that seems to be an all too common narrative these days.

People who aren't there only know what the media tells them.. and our lying arse media, whether you support the protestors or support the feds, want you to think it's like Baghdad in early April 2003... Those are the images we get, those are the storylines we get.. can't blame the people for believing what the lying, click bating, media tells them..

Hmmm, I haven't see the "media per say" indicate that. Mainly the president and the media that supports him. Most of the media has pointed out that it's a very small portion of Portland.

Let me say it this way... this has been going on a long time, the same routine repeating itself... a lot of major cities experienced the same thing... peaceful protests in the evening with violence erupting later.... if you show up or stay after you know the violence is about to start, then you are willingly making yourself a part of what you KNOW is going to be a violent attack (in Portland right now thats an attack on a federal building and federal agents)... and at the very least, you, just by being another body in the crowd, are providing cover for those aiming fireworks, lasers, throwing bottles, etc... you are now a part of the problem.

So it has nothing to do with being involved in criminal activity, it has to do with whether you're there or not. Okay, got it.

Not that it matters ...

i wonder what time frame they used to draw the map ... is it a map from day 1 - today ... day 15 - today .... or was it drawn from day 50 of the riots, looting and arsonists when Trump finally did the mayors and governors jobs .. I’m guessing they used the time frame since Trump sent the feds in and basically “contained” the hate and destruction the rioters, robbers and arsonists operate in ... there now focused on the area of Portland where the federal buildings are ...

Over a week ago there was over 23 million in property damage ... that doesn’t take into account the theft losses .. but hey, it only happened in a “one block” so that makes it OK ...

Yes. If you know that every night at 9:00 Old Man Johnson takes his wife out behind the barn and slaps her silly.. and you show up to watch but do nothing to stop it.. that makes you what kind of person?

Obviously it looks like you are good with the rioting.



You disappoint me.

a peaceful person

Not one part of this is untrue, and again definitely not saying it's everyone. I think there are plenty of people out there who can rationally look at this situation.

This doesn't just go with politics and social issues. I see people with any kind of arguments just accept that their side is right, and the other person is wrong. I don't think you really learn much thinking that way.

I mean, I hear it a lot from teachers. That these parents just assume something is wrong with the class, curriculum, even the teacher, if their kid is struggling. That line of thinking comes into play. It's terrible parenting too.