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It is currently flu season in the Southern Hemisphere. They are having record low numbers of the flu because people are staying home and wearing masks. I wonder if we will have similar numbers.

If I had the means, I would evacuate the area..

If I didn't have the means, and was in otherwise good health, I would take my chances at a shelter..

If I didn't have the means, and was in poor health/high risk, that's a tough call..

I read something on NOAA that they would have to do alot of work with emergency planners about what to do and evacuations might look different than in the past.
If a storm is coming to the gulf and it is modeled to only be a cat 2 a couple days out to sea, they probably would not evacuate except for low lying barrier islands and flood prone areas. But they also acknowledged, that computer models are not always right and storms have gone through rapid intensification cycles, that they could have a cat 2 a couple days out and then have a 145 mph cat 4 less than a day before landfall and no way to evacuate hundreds of thousands of people.

Heart damage lingers in COVID-19 patients, even after recovery

There is new evidence that COVID-19 can have lasting effects on heart health, which may go undetected in patients who assume they have recovered from the infection.

Two studies from Germany, published Tuesday in the journal JAMA Cardiology, show how the virus can linger in the heart for months, even without producing symptoms.

The first study included 100 coronavirus patients from the University Hospital Frankfurt COVID-19 Registry. Most were otherwise healthy adults in their 40s and 50s.

All had MRIs of their heart two to three months after they were diagnosed with the virus, when many seemed to have fully recovered. Those images were compared to people who'd never had COVID-19.

ut of those 100 COVID-19 patients, 78 still had visual signs that the virus had an impact on the heart. Sixty of those patients had signs of ongoing inflammation of the heart muscle.

"That's really compelling," Dr. Clyde Yancy, chief of cardiology in the department of medicine at Northwestern Medicine in Chicago, told NBC News. "It indicates that months after exposure to COVID-19, we can still detect evidence of a heart that's not completely normal."

The problem may not lead to physical symptoms, but could indicate risk for further heart damage.

"Once the heart muscle has been injured, there is the potential for progressive injury," Yancy wrote in an editorial accompanying the studies.

Because the virus is so new, it's not yet known what long-term cardiovascular risks come with COVID-19.

No pre-existing conditions would have explained the damage, the study authors said, and only a third had been hospitalized with COVID-19. The rest were able to remain at home throughout the course of their illness.

"Our findings may provide an indication of potentially considerable burden of inflammatory disease in large and growing parts of the population," the study authors wrote.

The second study included 39 autopsies of people who'd died of COVID-19. Those patients tended to be older, in their 80s. Researchers found evidence of the virus in the heart tissue in 24 of the 39 patients.

What's more, five of those patients had signs the virus was actually replicating in the heart tissue.

"We know the virus is making its way into the heart muscle, and seems to cause an inflammatory response that we don't fully understand yet," Dr. Matthew Belford, an interventional cardiologist at Wake Forest Baptist Health in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, said. Belford was not involved in either study.

Doctors have known for some time that COVID-19 can wreak havoc on the circulatory system, potentially leading to dangerous blood clots. A study published in the journal Cell in March showed that the virus infiltrates the body by binding to a type of receptor on cells called ACE2.

ACE2 receptors are often found in endothelial cells, located in the lining of the heart and blood vessels. One of the main jobs of the cells is to help control blood clotting and platelets.

It remains unclear how long such damage will persist.

The research "gets my attention," Yancy said.

"It makes me say, 'We are not done yet,'" he said. "We must respect COVID-19."

"There is still much that we don't know," he added. "We have to stay on guard."

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-ne...covery-n1235077

IMHO this changes the whole back to school thing. Last thing we need is a whole generation of heart patients.

Certain viruses linger in our systems. We get chicken pox as a kid... years later in our adult lives, under stress, we get shingles. Same virus that laid dormant inside us for years. Different effect.
We have no idea what COVID could do...

Wear a mask. Wash hands. Socially distance. Stay safe.

And shingles suck. Once you get in to your 40's-50's, you need to get your shingles shot when recommended.

And you bring up a good point. We may not understand any long term impact this has for 20 years or more.

For me it would be more of an immediate impact if I contract the virus. The odds are against me being here in 20-25 years. For those of you under say 45-55, you have a very good chance you will. At least I hope it is a very good chance.

Yesterday was Florida's highest total for deaths in one day.
Today, they beat that total by almost 20%

And yet people seem to be less interested in posting about it now than before. I guess it's really true that people will soon grow numb to anything.

#new cases is a leading indicator. That number was rising like crazy for the past few weeks. Deaths will follow that trend.

Link

But keep barreling right towards herd immunity, right Prp!?

Also, let's just keep disregarding masks, right Knight!?

I think fewer people are posting about it now due to a few reasons.

1. People on this forum came to these threads for information. However, folks like yourself have turned these threads into political bickering swamps and many don't want to hear that crap.

2. By now, most people know what steps to take to try and help them stay safe.

3. The numbers are increasing, in part, because testing is available. It wasn't readily available for the general population back in early March.

No, No, No, No, No, and No.

What in my posts on this thread have been political? I know you just like to throw trash without any substance. So what have i posted that was political in this thread?

I know you should be able to understand this, but the percentage of positive tests are the best indication of how much the virus is spreading. That has nothing to do with how much testing is being done. That's per capita not raw numbers.

Everyone knows that neglecting to recognize something, ignoring it or downplaying it takes it off the front burner.

People going around trying to disrupt threads and spewing propaganda won't change that.

Another example of why people aren't posting on these threads. You, and a couple of others, have to make everything confrontational due to your outrageous political beliefs.

You chase people away and then wonder why people aren't speaking up.

You have nothing to add about # of tests being relatively the same with an increasing positivity rate?

I see, you start a confrontation and blame someone else for it. Typical Vers.

People do become numb, and people understand we can't sit in a rabbit hole forever.

Take the best precautions you can and try to lead as normal a life as you can. We can't simply shut everything down and keep it that way.

Our government, both federal and state require the collection of tax dollars to keep functioning. People have to be working and out spending money to make things work properly.

While I understand what you're saying and don't disagree with that, I think one would need to take a look at the rest of the globe for context. They had the virus under control before they opened up and did so while understanding they may need to take steps back depending on the conditions.

They did what was necessary to get the virus under control and followed strict guidelines before reopening. It seems we didn't and haven't followed the example that was proven to work in other places. Unless we have decided to keep promoting the cart before the horse method of dealing with this, things are going to continue to get worse.

j/c:

Lockdown-free Sweden is seeing a 'very positive' downward trend in cases, country's coronavirus expert reveals as he dismisses wearing masks on public transport as 'pointless'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...d.html#comments

P.S. I think masks are a necessity.

I have no idea why anyone would use Sweden as a model for the US anyway, There are a lot of factors that create differences between their country and ours. (and they have a smaller population than Ohio does)

They shouldn't be. They have one of the highest death rates on the globe.

Coronavirus: Sweden seen as cautionary tale on early reopening

https://globalnews.ca/video/7163433/coronavirus-sweden-seen-as-cautionary-tale-on-early-reopening

Plus their whole failed plan to get herd immunity that never panned out, and probably gave over half of their population long-lasting heart conditions.

Welcome to the carnival of stupid.

I was under the impression that while our testing numbers are still woefully low, it's a marked improvement over where we were only a month or so ago.

I know Ohio has only ramped up their testing over the past 2 months or so.

It seems the nation is still testing at the same rate, but the rate of positivity continues to increase despite a similar testing capacity.

Yes people are numb to it, and many only check in once in a while.
I only check the news every few days if not once a week anymore, it's the same rehashed story over and over.
I can only do what I can do, and the rest of it is out of my control.

Basically every number you want to see can be found here.

http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualiz...08o1bMLIv8G4V0c

The news isn't going to cover anything other than X number of new cases and Y number of new deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/previous-testing-in-us.html

This only shows from the start until May, but there are obvious increases in # of tests being done.

Here we go.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states


Steady increase.

I just take a realistic view. I am not a young man by any means, but have tried to stay in some shape. The past 3 months have cost me maybe 20lbs. Eating crap food and drinking way early.

My wife just retired. We had a Tauck Tour booked for the Kentucky Derby in May. Top notch. That was canceled. We planned on 17 days in the British Isles in about 2 weeks. Had to cancel that.

It is what it is. If I kick the bucket over the next 6 months, I have had a good run. We have seen most of the country and a good portion of the world. I had friends who died in Vietnam when they were maybe 20 or so. They lost out on 50 or more years. I have no room to complain.

The article and thread title don't match.

Oops, again.

Gah...gimmie a minute.

Seems to who? The healthcare facilities I'm familiar with are testing at a much higher rate than they were 4-6 weeks ago. I seriously doubt if we're an outlier compared to the rest of the country.

I am almost 100% sure that testing is more available now that it was in March, but I am not going to get into an argument about it. Believe what you will.

Only copied the relevant part of the article. After this it loses focus. But feel free to click the link.

Six U.S. states see record COVID-19 deaths, Latinos hit hard in California
Reuters
Sharon Bernstein and Lisa Shumaker
,Reuters•July 28, 2020
0:09 1:06

Six states see record COVID-19 deaths

By Sharon Bernstein and Lisa Shumaker

(Reuters) - A half-dozen U.S. states in the South and West reported one-day records for coronavirus deaths on Tuesday and cases in Texas passed the 400,000 mark as California health officials said Latinos made up more than half its cases.

Arkansas, California, Florida, Montana, Oregon and Texas each reported record spikes in fatalities.

In the United States more than 1,300 lives were lost nation wide on Tuesday, the biggest one-day increase since May, according to a Reuters tally.

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1776367/20/covid-19-it-continues

There is a lot more testing now than back in March. There was a shortage of components to make the testing kits. From swabs, to tubes, to the reactive agent used in the test. The hold up in Ohio was caused by the Feds dragging their feet on approving the use of another reactive agent. If I remember correctly.

j/c

The odd part in all of this is the debate seems to be over how many tests are being conducted. That is actually a secondary issue.

The real issue is the number of tests per hundred that come back positive. That's what actually tells you how fast and wide the virus is being spread. In many places those numbers are alarming. If you wish to know what's actually going on with the virus in terms of its spread, the positivity rate tells you everything.

Hermain Cain Has Died of Coronavirus at Age 74

https://hermancain.com/heartbroken-world-poorer-herman-cain-gone-lord/

Of course, it is the most important. And there would not have been "all this debate" had you and Rocket not challenged what I said.

So then, when it is clearly apparent that you were wrong, you rewrite the narrative and try to cover your ass.