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Don’t Count on American Compliance With Gun Confiscation

If we’re able to pass mandatory buybacks and I’m able to sign that into law, then I fully expect our fellow Americans to turn in their AR-15s and AK-47s,” said O’Rourke.

This was not a misstatement or a one-off comment. As O’Rourke’s spokesman, Chris Evans, later confirmed: “When a mandatory buyback program for assault weapons is enacted, it is the law. We expect people to follow the law here in the United States, and we know that Americans are law-abiding people.”

I am not writing this to promote civil-disobedience, but just to point out fundamentals of human nature that ideologues like O’Rourke and Joe Biden don’t appear to appreciate. They seem to think the American people, or perhaps any group of people, will simply conform to whatever ideological framework they decide to legislate.

This isn’t true for many reasons.

First, non-compliance with gun-confiscation laws has been widespread even in countries that don’t protect the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.

Second, Americans are already notoriously non-compliant with strict gun-control measures in states that have enacted them on a smaller scale.

Third, the firearms and magazines that gun-control advocates wish to confiscate simply are not a driving force behind homicides—and America’s lawful gun owners know it. People rarely respond well to being scapegoated, and otherwise law-abiding gun owners aren’t likely to prove an exception to this rule.

Americans Are Notoriously Non-Compliant With Gun-Control Laws

If this type of significant and widespread non-compliance is so common in countries without America’s gun culture or constitutional protections for civilian gun ownership, it would be almost laughable to presume Americans would be more compliant with overbearing gun-control measures.

After all, civilian gun possession is deeply ingrained in the American psyche, as is an aversion to gun confiscation. The American Revolution itself officially ignited over an effort by King George III and his military generals to disarm the colonists; the battles at Lexington and Concord began because the British were coming to seize the colonists’ powder stores and render them defenseless against the armed enforcement of tyrannical laws.

Non-compliance with British gun-control mandates was widespread before and during the war. The Second Amendment was passed in large part as a counterbalance against government impulses toward tyranny, and an assurance against government attempts to create select militias with which to oppress a citizenry disarmed through arbitrary or burdensome gun-control laws.

It is hardly surprising, then, that even today, many otherwise law-abiding Americans fail to comply with laws they perceive as arbitrary infringements on their Second Amendment rights. Consider, for example, what happened when New York, in 2013, banned the future purchase of commonly owned semi-automatic rifles and required current owners to register their estimated 1 million “assault-style weapons” with the state.

Despite the threat of serious criminal penalties for non-compliance and extended periods of “amnesty,” by 2015 fewer than 45,000 firearms had been registered. In other words, it appears that tens of thousands of New Yorkers continue to simply ignore the law.

Similar rates of non-compliance have been observed for constitutionally suspect confiscation laws in other states; in fact, after New Jersey banned the civilian possession of standard magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds, an investigation failed to discover a single instance where one of the state’s one million gun owners turned a prohibited magazine in to law enforcement authorities, as the statute required.

New Jersey and New York are states that historically have subjected their residents to much stricter gun-control measures relative to the rest of the country. If non-compliance is so widespread in states where residents are used to being subject to arbitrary and overbearing gun laws, there is no reason to believe that residents in more gun-friendly states would rush to turn in their rifles and magazines just because the federal government mandated it.

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I only posted this because just read Joe Biden's "Gun Control plan" Its seems pretty relevant should he win the election.

I guess if you like being able to own guns and defend your family, you don't want Sleepy Joe as President...i'd rather put up with 4 more years of moron Trump and keep my guns then allow this idiot into office.

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So yes, i will fall on the sword and vote for Trump simply to protect the 2nd amendment, an amendment that Joe Biden says isn't a fundamental right, an amendment that he says isn't absolute and that he can limit any way he sees fit...and folks say Trump is on a power trip lol

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If such a law were passed, I foresee police, who will have been defunded by then and unable to respond to all calls in a timely manner, completely swamped with reports of break-ins resulting in stolen firearms.

Also, good luck getting local law enforcement to enforce this; and even if they mean to, you cannot confiscate what has been stolen or lost over the side on a fishing trip.


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I fully expect our fellow Americans to turn in their AR-15s and AK-47s,” said O’Rourke.


This has to be one of the most out of touch thoughts ever blabbered.


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So yes, i will fall on the sword and vote for Trump simply to protect the 2nd amendment


Don't forget the Supreme Court nomination that could affect the 2nd amendment.

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Hah, heritage foundation. So I read the article and referenced it with Biden’s actual platform on his website. Biden wants a registry of weapons. Don’t see the harm in that. Either register or buy back. I’ve never understood the fear of “I have to register my weapon?! The government will know what I own! They’re gonna come get me!!!!!”

Don’t you have more threads to make that argue the justification of killing unarmed black Americans?

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Gov't. already knows what I own. Gov't. also knows I've never committed a crime with any gun/s I own. It's already verifiable by the fed's, the state, and any police department.

Perhaps the gov't. should focus on the people that use guns in crimes?

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Gov't. already knows what I own. Gov't. also knows I've never committed a crime with any gun/s I own. It's already verifiable by the fed's, the state, and any police department.

Perhaps the gov't. should focus on the people that use guns in crimes?


That would take common sense.

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I fully expect our fellow Americans to turn in their AR-15s and AK-47s,” said O’Rourke.


This has to be one of the most out of touch thoughts ever blabbered.


How long will some attempt the NRA's tired, old "scare tactics" of the past...that the government is going to take your guns away?



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O'rourke SAID he would (if he were elected). First, the "assault" rifles, which are responsible for........how many deaths?

Get that done, it will be hand guns, which account for the vast majority of deaths.

But, before that, tax the hell out of ammo, and guns. Then add in mandatory insurance for gun owners.

They don't need to 'take' the guns, they just need to make them too expensive to own, for law abiding citizens. Bankrupt them, basically. And, all the while doing nothing about the gun crime rate.

If you're good with that, there's no hope for you. What comes around goes around, and when a push is made to ban anyone over 65 from driving, or when it comes to forced dietary restrictions.......or whatever else, know I'll stand against it, while you'll baa all the way. Until it's something that affects you.

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O'rourke SAID he would (if he were elected). First, the "assault" rifles, which are responsible for........how many deaths?



arch...was Orourke elected or nominated for anything?

Matter of fact, when Orourke made that comment "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47."...

...I told my wife that Orourke just blew it, making such a stupid comment. Democrats have guns too!


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With the escalation of violence in our communities, the championing of violence by the political organization that is Black Lives Matter, the proposed defunding of the police, etc, etc...............Ain't no way I'm giving my guns up.

I do not own an assault rifle. I don't even have a lot of guns. But, I will protect my family and property if need be. And I don't like the way things are trending. We got people making excuses for violent behavior and looting, while calling for the defunding of the police.

LOL..............I was born at night, but not last night. I'm keeping my guns.

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Perhaps the gov't. should focus on the people that use guns in crimes?


I agree! It'd be great if we have more ways to let people find meaningful work or help to address what's bothering them. But, then you get people saying "Venezuela!" whenver you suggest more social programs to prevent people from doing terrible things.

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There are a ton of ways to find meaningful work. Countless minorities have proven that.

The problem is that a lot of folks haven't taken advantage of the opportunities that are being provided and instead resort to crime, shiftlessness, accepting handouts, and blaming others for their predicament.

I think that there are still issues that need to be improved for minorities, but there are opportunities available and there are countless successful minorities. My wife is one of them.

Also, one of the main things I think that needs to happen is for blacks to actually own up to the fact that most of their problems are caused by other blacks. It's called accountability. It's hard to talk to folks who won't accept any accountability.

Now, here is the rub. In my time as a teacher and a community worker for minorities, I met blacks that just wanted to be treated fairly and who worked their butts off. I also met blacks who were not good citizens.

My conclusion is that there are good and bad and kinda good/bad blacks, just like every other race. Thus, I have adopted a philosophy of treating them like everyone else. That philosophy is to treat each person as an individual who is judged by his/her actions rather than by their race/gender.

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Why are Republicans trying to put Kanye on the ballot everywhere this week? Are they seriously thinking he will hurt Biden? lmao smh

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/politics/kanye-west-ballot/index.html

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Perhaps the gov't. should focus on the people that use guns in crimes?


I agree! It'd be great if we have more ways to let people find meaningful work or help to address what's bothering them. But, then you get people saying "Venezuela!" whenver you suggest more social programs to prevent people from doing terrible things.


I don't know about all that.


I do know some people around here that are more than happy to be not working...........unemployment, plus the extra $600 a week had them sitting at home, making more than working.


I also know of numerous jobs available right here, starting off at any where from $12 to $20 an hour, WITH benefits like health insurance, paid vacations and holidays, that are going unfilled. And, rural n.w. Ohio is not NYC, or Alaska. I have a good idea of what you get paid, because you told me. Cities, and Alaska have much higher COL, no doubt.

I know several HR people, CFO's, etc. 1 company even offers a $1 bonus, per hour, as long as you show up and work for 40 hours a week.

People need to want to work.

That's all beside the point.

Aside from penalizing law abiding gun owners while ignoring the law breakers, how would you handle gun registration (which is already done) and confiscation?

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Imagine this nightmare: Dems nominate Kanye and GOP nominates Trump.

Who do you vote for?

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Why are Republicans trying to put Kanye on the ballot everywhere this week? Are they seriously thinking he will hurt Biden? lmao smh

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/politics/kanye-west-ballot/index.html


Only reason I can come up with is if Kanye is on the ballot, some blacks will vote for him, taking votes away from basement, cornpop Joe.

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oh great. the good ole "fight for our 2nd amendment rights" trash right before an election.

the economic numbers no longer work, so gotta go to the good ole tried and true fear mongering.

feelings over facts. Shout out to Newt Gingrich.


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https://www.guns.com/firearms/shotguns/s...ed-used?p=68470

I just ordered this gun. Finally found a shotgun I like.

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I know I said I wouldn't reply to you, but I think Covid has had an effect on the economic numbers, Swish.

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ya don't say?

The economic numbers weren't anything to brag about even before Rona. but if you want to discuss economic numbers, there's already a thread for that.

anyways, back to the 2nd amendment fear mongering in this thread.


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Swish, I was replying you because you brought up the "economic numbers." That's all.

But whatever. I'll go back to backing off.

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Imagine this nightmare: Dems nominate Kanye and GOP nominates Trump.

Who do you vote for?


A meteor like the one that took out the dinosaurs.

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the GD yankees are coming for my guns!!!


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oh great. the good ole "fight for our 2nd amendment rights" trash right before an election.



Right on schedule.
It happens every election cycle.
And no guns are ever confiscated.

It's a trigger trick to motivate a certain voting base. And not all gun owners are a part of this particular base. Just the insecure ones who fall for this every time, while retaining uncontested possession of the largest private arsenal on the planet.

Guns never go away in this country.
They reproduce in peoples' closets, safes and gun racks.
Leave the lights on, and stick a condom on the end of that thing.


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oh great. the good ole "fight for our 2nd amendment rights" trash right before an election.



Right on schedule.
It happens every election cycle.


Were you talking guns, or did you mean "democrats care about the poor and the people of color". Every election cycle.

Biden has been in politics how long? Close to 45 or 50 years. He was vp for 8 years. Guy can't speak a comprehensible paragraph for the life of him, but now, all of a sudden, he can 'fix' the country?

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All of this is your fabrication. I said nothing about Biden or any of that other stuff. That's all you, arch.


I was talking about one specific thing.

Yes.
I was talking guns.

period.


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You were talking guns.

I was also, as well as combining the fake care dems give to ............I guess the proper term today is, people of color.

Sometimes threads go in multiple directions. I get it, you don't care for me. That is your choice, and you are free to feel that way.

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Biden says I should have a shotgun.

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Biden says I should have a shotgun.


But he also says you should shoot it into the air. Sorry, but there are no warning shots at my house. The sound of a pump shotgun is the only warning I would ever give.


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You don't need a gun. All you need is a length of chain. It was good enough for cornpop..and he was a nasty dude, that ran a gang of nasty people. Well, okay, that and blond hair on your legs.

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Y'all are some crazy folks.

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This is also how we know the republicans know they'll lose in the general election. They gotta ramp up the grift for donations with guns and money getting funneled to the NRA.

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I was not aware the nra chose the president. As you are famed for - show me the receipts.


On a lighter note, bidens handlers are pushing for no debates. I find that odd. Do you?

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The NRA gets more donations during democratic presidencies.

You're rolling with a false narrative. Everyone has agreed to debates.

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The NRA gets more donations during democratic presidencies.

You're rolling with a false narrative. Everyone has agreed to debates.


I am not arguing, but the other day, I saw a headline that said that Biden's advisors were recommending that he not participate in the debates because they would give Trump an opportunity to spread his lies.

Was that a false report?

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YES wE dOn'T wAnT OuR gUnS N SuCh MeSsEd WiTh sO lEt'S Go wItH FASCISM instead!

Jackbooted thugs and rogue killer cops don't bother you but you are afraid about your guns toys going away... smh

You are supposed to have those guns to stand up to a tyrannical government, not to usher one in... DOH!

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I get it, you don't care for me. That is your choice, and you are free to feel that way.


This is another fabrication on your part. This is your belief, your 'reality.' I don't and haven't seen it that way for a long time.

I spent a year very angry at you, but that was then. Before CoVid. Seeing people drop by the thousands has given me a different perspective. Holding grudges over stupid disagreements is so- 'pre-corona.' Have you not noticed how little of me you see lately? I'm still here reading every day. I just don't pick bones like I did. Seems there's little sense in it.

You may have inferred some mal intent from my post, but was not present in my mind as I wrote to you. I'm just being simple and direct right now. Perhaps it will take awhile for you to hear my voice in another way than I used for a year. It will be wotrth the wait.

We can have those other discussions any time you'd like, but I was posting about guns in a thread about guns... and I just didn't want to go where you were trying to take me tonight. I hope that can alright for tonight.


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