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I thought you said you were going to make the Martians pay for it

They will once the elevator is built! duuuuhhh!!

The Martians will gladly build it - to keep the earthlings out.

WE are the virus.

Coronavirus cases lead over 800 to quarantine in Georgia school district where masks not required

Cherokee County School District drew attention last week when students without masks posed for a group photo.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cor...-where-n1236364

Yes, and no.


I think, THINK property tax works similar to sales tax. In other words, the state has a set rate, and counties have a rate, and cities, municipalities have a rate, and counties have a rate, and school districts as well.

I live Henry county. But 'my' school district is in fulton county. My property taxes go to henry county. I know some of that goes to 'my' local school district. Some of it to the county, and some of it to the township I live in. Exactly how much, where? I don't know.

I do know the more industry a town has, as a rule, the less the prop. tax is due to the increase in taxes because of number of jobs.

Just like the state has a set sales tax rate that counties add on to. For some reason, and I may wrong, I think the STATE's portion of sales tax is 5.75%. Each and every county adds to that. Fulton, henry, williams counties, for example, collect 7.25%. Those counties get the difference between 5.75 and 7.25. In essence, the counties collect 1.5%. Defiance county has a sales tax rate of 6.75%, so they only collect 1% over the states amount.

In Ohio, there is a rate set by the county, and then levies (school, library, parks, developmental disability, police, fire, salaries of county officials, roads and infrastructure, and so forth) are paid by the base, or get added on by vote of the people.

j/c...

Governor Mike DeWine
@GovMikeDeWine
We have talked for many months about the immediate health impacts of #COVID19, and now we’re seeing an issue in athletes that is concerning. The American Journal of Cardiology published an expert analysis last month that addresses the impact of coronavirus on the heart.

Governor Mike DeWine
@GovMikeDeWine
This week, we also have been seeing stories in the media about the effects of coronavirus on the hearts of athletes. @OhioState
has been routinely testing athletes as part of their protocols.

Governor Mike DeWine
@GovMikeDeWine
Live now at http://ohiochannel.org: Dr. Curt Daniels, of @OhioState
and @nationwidekids
, discussing what they have been seeing at Ohio State regarding #COVID19’s effects on athletes.

https://twitter.com/GovMikeDeWine/status/1293971882870439940

#justtheflu

jc

CDC Study sheds new light on mental health crisis linked to coronavirus pandemic

Cases lower in Kansas after mask order.

But the kids MUST go back to school... we don't have a clue what the long term problems are with this yet.

Here is more info on the heart issues.

Opinion
Covid-19 Is Creating a Wave of Heart Disease
Emerging data show that some of the coronavirus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.

By Haider Warraich
Dr. Warraich is a cardiologist.

Aug. 17, 2020, 5:00 a.m. ET


A nurse treated a Covid-19 patient in a New York City intensive care unit in April.
A nurse treated a Covid-19 patient in a New York City intensive care unit in April.Credit...John Minchillo/Associated Press
SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, was initially thought to primarily impact the lungs — SARS stands for “severe acute respiratory syndrome.” Now we know there is barely a part of the body this infection spares. And emerging data show that some of the virus’s most potent damage is inflicted on the heart.

Eduardo Rodriguez was poised to start as the No. 1 pitcher for the Boston Red Sox this season. But in July the 27-year-old tested positive for Covid-19. Feeling “100 years old,” he told reporters: “I’ve never been that sick in my life, and I don’t want to get that sick again.” His symptoms abated, but a few weeks later he felt so tired after throwing about 20 pitches during practice that his team told him to stop and rest.

Further investigation revealed that he had a condition many are still struggling to understand: Covid-19-associated myocarditis. Mr. Rodriguez won’t be playing baseball this season.

Myocarditis means inflammation of the heart muscle. Some patients are never bothered by it, but for others it can have serious implications. And Mr. Rodriguez isn’t the only athlete to suffer from it: Multiple college football players have possibly developed myocarditis from Covid-19, putting the entire college football landscape in jeopardy.

I recently treated one Covid-19 patient in his early 50s. He had been in perfect shape with no history of serious illness. When the fevers and body aches started, he locked himself in his room. But instead of getting better, his condition deteriorated and he eventually accumulated gallons of fluid in his legs. When he came to the hospital unable to catch a breath, it wasn’t his lungs that had pushed him to the brink — it was his heart. Now we are evaluating him to see if he needs a heart transplant.

An intriguing new study from Germany offers a glimpse into how SARS-CoV-2 affects the heart. Researchers studied 100 individuals, with a median age of just 49, who had recovered from Covid-19. Most were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms.

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An average of two months after they received the diagnosis, the researchers performed M.R.I. scans of their hearts and made some alarming discoveries: Nearly 80 percent had persistent abnormalities and 60 percent had evidence of myocarditis. The degree of myocarditis was not explained by the severity of the initial illness.

Though the study has some flaws, and the generalizability and significance of its findings not fully known, it makes clear that in young patients who had seemingly overcome SARS-CoV-2 it’s fairly common for the heart to be affected. We may be seeing only the beginning of the damage.

Researchers are still figuring out how SARS-CoV-2 causes myocarditis — whether it’s through the virus directly injuring the heart or whether it’s from the virulent immune reaction that it stimulates. It’s possible that part of the success of immunosuppressant medications such as the steroid dexamethasone in treating sick Covid-19 patients comes from their preventing inflammatory damage to the heart. Such steroids are commonly used to treat cases of myocarditis. Despite treatment, more severe forms of Covid-19-associated myocarditis can lead to permanent damage of the heart — which, in turn, can lead to heart failure.

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But myocarditis is not the only way Covid-19 can cause more people to die of heart disease. When I analyzed data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, I found that since February nearly 25,000 more Americans have died of heart disease compared with the same period in previous years. Some of these deaths could be put down to Covid-19, but the majority are likely to be because patients deferred care for their hearts. That could lead to a wave of untreated heart disease in the wake of the pandemic.

Many patients are understandably apprehensive about coming back to the clinic or hospital. The American Heart Association has started a campaign called “Don’t Die of Doubt” to address the alarming reduction in people calling 911 or seeking medical care after a heart attack or stroke.

Since the beginning of the pandemic, it’s been clear that people with heart disease or related conditions such as diabetes or high blood pressure are at increased risk for severe Covid-19 illness. The C.D.C. recommends that the more than 30 million Americans living with heart disease practice extra precautions to avoid infection. Hospitals and clinics should work overtime both to ensure they are safe for patients and to bolster telemedicine services so that patients can be cared for without having to leave their homes.

Doctors and researchers should no longer think of Covid-19 as a disease of the lungs but as one that can affect any part of the body, especially the heart. The only way to prevent more people dying of heart disease, both from damage caused by the virus as well as from deferred care of heart disease, is to control the pandemic.

Either they did, or they didn't.

Clear up the ambiguity, then write the alarmist articles.

The scary and sad part is that we don't know yet.

j/c...

So if they did is it still an alarmist article or would that be an undeniable fact? People seem to be confused about that these days.

Yes.

Right now, though, it's just alarmist.

It could still be alarmist even if they had actual numbers. It really depends on the numbers themselves.

We simply see this differently. There have been many cases where covid has had long term negative effects on vital organs. The heart has certainly been one of them thus far. The actual percentage of those cases I am not sure if.

What I consider and why I don't put it in the category of being alarmist is because so little is known about this virus. It's relatively new to the scientific community. If doctors see a strong sign of something being directly connected with the virus I want to know what it is they're seeing, experiencing.

It may take a very long time for something to be "proven" as fact. By that time tens of thousands of people may be impacted. That is a little late in the game for me to hear the warning signs. So if actual health care officials are "seeing a trend" that is yet not been proven by studies, I want to know what they're seeing.

I guess if I used my tin foil hat and thought this was all a conspiracy being planted by healthcare officials consorting with the media, I may feel differently about it. But that's not my feelings on the topic at all.

It's alarmist because it paints an alarming picture based solely on supposition. That is the very definition of fear-mongering (which is what the media does so well).

I have no issues with taking something serious - IF there is something to actually take serious. The fact that they are putting it out there in the article as an absolute when it is anything but an unknown shows that they are just fanning flames. There is literally no useful information in there; nothing about rates among positive athletes, nothing about other factors that may have been involved (were these athletes using 'roids, HGH, drugs?). How many is 'multiple'? I'm pretty sure that "two" qualifies for the use of the term 'multiple'. Do they even mention that myocarditis in athletes has been being studied for years, well before the advent of covid? No, they don't. And then, they don't even definitively tie it to covid, but they make great effort to lead the reader to that conclusion.

There is a complete absence of factual information... so, yes, this was absolutely an alarmist piece.


Edit to add:


Oxford Medicine

Damn COVID's been killing kids on the practice fields for decades!

that would be the kid's moms who cheer all too loud.....in practice.

Is Wuhan, home of corona, being over confident? They seem to have things under control, but this seems over the top.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53816511

Wuhan coronavirus: From silent streets to packed pools



Thousands of people packed shoulder-to-shoulder with no face masks in sight, frolicking on rubber floats and cheering along to a music festival.

It's not a very 2020 image, but it was the scene this weekend in the Chinese city of Wuhan, where Covid-19 first emerged late last year.

Pictures of partygoers at the Wuhan Maya Beach Water Park - looking very much removed from the outbreak that the rest of the world continues to battle - have now gone, well, viral.



t's worlds apart from the images that came out of Wuhan when it had the world's first Covid-19 lockdown in January - a ghost town devoid of residents and vehicles.

The lockdown was lifted in April and there have been no domestically transmitted cases in Wuhan or Hubei province since mid-May.

or, is it staged... perhaps using people that have already had it?

I will be going in for another set of diagnostic facet blocks soon, but will not have to go through COVID-19 test this time. Before the last last 2 procedures I have had done recently, I had to have the tests done.

link

Just posting a small, pertinent piece. Read the full article for more.
I believe that this speaks to the other articles we've seen lately that talk about a "robust immune system response even in mild cases".
What we have here is strong evidence that even in the (tested) absence of antibodies, the body still has a strong ability to fight off re-infection for YEARS afterwards.

Saw an advertisement, haircuts!
Hand Sanitizer all through the store.

--Alcohol content ???
--- The outbreak among the choir in Utah or whatever in May, they all used sanitzer
----Toxic Hand Sanitizers are recalled August two weeks of reports
-----The Dawgtalkers post from Johns Hopkins spelling out the guidelines shows lather or alcohol content is necessary
(add up to imo)

Hand Sanitizer BAD--

Soap and Water, Handwashing GOOD--

Hand sanitizer is basically just one more thing to mass produce and sell. We didn't need it in the 1970's (when we didn't have Corona virus' or h1n1, or zeka, or Sars,), and I haven't used hand sanitizer 100 times in my whole LIFE,
much much less than that.
Use Soap!

I use it daily at work. Multiple times. As do my coworkers.

jc -

Took a trip up to Utah today. Not sure they know there is a pandemic going on. I don't think anyone in Utah wears a mask.

So they'll be some of the last to finally get that this thing is no joke. In the meantime, they're doing absolutely nothing to help you or me.

We live on the border of Richland and Lexington counties in SC. The entire county of Richland and the city of Lexington have passed laws that make mask wearing mandatory in commercial establishments. They did so over about two months ago, but I'm not sure about the exact date.

I'm surprised more local governments are not doing the same thing.

I drove up to New York on Friday to attend a funeral. Masks were completely optional everywhere, including inside the funeral parlor.

In. New. York.


The CDC has quietly removed its recommendation for 2 week self-quarantine after travel, too.

The cdc or DeBlasio has for the city or Cuomo for the state?

A few weeks ago, Gov DeWine tested positive for COVID in the early afternoon...that evening he re-tested negative.

Now we have 100% of a batch of NFL-player COVID positive tests being found to actually be negative...every one that was positive was WRONG...not just a few...or a lot...all of them. Earlier in the summer, I think Matt Stafford and at least one other high-profile player/coach were found to have been tested positive...when they were later (much later) found to have been negative.

How many people who aren't high-ranking Govs or highly-paid athletes have the ability or wherewithal to be so quickly re-tested? How prevalent is this occurrence throughout the country?

I've always questioned the stance/claim that the key to surviving this pandemic is testing. Testing...testing...testing. My question always was/is that the test tells you whether you are positive - maybe - at that point in time. You may catch the virus on the way home from the test. The benefit of the test is to confirm whether you have the virus - maybe - and if you do, signals your need to quarantine. Well...you got tested because you feel like crap...if you feel like crap...you should stay the hell away from other people. Do people really need a test to tell them that?

As with my opinion of wearing a mask...I believe testing (and wearing a mask) cannot hurt...but I also believe that the "talk" about testing (and wearing a mask) is wildly over-stated / over-rated.

If you feel sick, stay home. If you go out, keep your distance from others as much as possible. If you want-to or have-to wear a mask, do so. Simple.

I think in the years that follow, the death toll will be exposed to be much lower than reported. How many people do you know who are aware of a reported COVID death of someone chronically ill or fatally injured (or over-dosed) who also happened to test positive for COVID and the cause of death was recorded as COVID? Maybe those reports are bunk...maybe not. Do hospitals who handle the COVID deaths truly receive additional federal money for those COVID deaths? I've heard that...but have not found any corroboration.

The more we think we "know" about the story of this virus, the more carefully we need to think about what it is that we "know".

PSA for the easily confused: The virus is real...people die from it. This post is largely rhetorical. I have friends in the medical field. They understand how very real this virus is...better than I without a doubt. This is much more food for thought (or debate) than trying to change someone's mind.

Note: Thought this a better place for this post than PP. This is not intended to incite political furor/theater.

Proof there will be no heard immunity.
...as I suspected months ago.

My thoughts as well.

We have already known this based on other cases around the world.

Any gained immunity seems to be short lived.

That seems quite premature? Most of the epidemiologists I follow on twitter suspected this -- from a combination of people who's immune system didn't quite respond right, people who had very mild illnesses, and the passage of time.

The consensus seems to be that everybody's immune system is different, and we do not yet know if this is common.