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Trump signs executive orders enacting $400 unemployment benefit, payroll tax cut after coronavirus stimulus talks stall

DAVID JACKSON AND MICHAEL COLLINS | USA TODAY | 52 minutes ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3316846001


I have to wonder who will be the first to take him to court. Both Republicans and Democrats have a vested interest in blocking this. Question is who wants to be seen as the bad guy in killing benefits the president just signed? Illegal or not, this will have to be seen as a Trump victory. Either the order stands or it will force an agreement right away.

the problem with why it won't be viewed as a trump victory is because the democrats had already passed a package back in may in the house. Trump and the republicans are still getting roasted because they sat on their asses the whole time, then tried to come up with a deal at the last minute that didn't even have enough support from their own party in the senate to pass.

Mitch came out and explicitly said that he had 15-20 guys that wasn't gonna vote on anything. it's why most people right now is looking at the republicans and not the dems for why a deal hasn't been done.

as far as trump signing these EO's...he didn't even have support from the republicans on a payroll tax cut. and a payroll tax cut doesn't help anybody except people who are already wealthy, which they already have got more than enough.

Trump and the republicans will bend over backwards for businesses, but won't do it for the everyday american.

Uh, who do you think the $400.00 goes to?

Yep, Trumps people!

Common sense is something that they lack.

No one is going to go to court over a President using the executive order, because neither side wants to lose that power when their guy is in.

j/c...

DOWN from $600 that many of them desperately need to stay afloat. And Mitch wanted to take it to 200 or 100 if he could. PFFFT.

But I will give him props for doing this no matter what happens with court and such. He finally stepped up during this pandemic, finally.

I was initially a little mad over the $600 unemployment enhancement until I saw how the economy kept sputtering along with people spending it. I think without it and the eviction moratorium we would already be in a world of hurt economy wise. Nothing would tank the markets faster than another great depression.

I don't get the payroll tax holiday... unless it's forgiven it's basically just making American's making less than $100k have a large payment owed at the end of the year right? since it's just being deferred until 2021... or am I reading that wrong?

I also worry what is going to happen to social security and medicaid... this one I'm assuming doesn't affect me since I make (just barely) over 100k... but I'm not sure I'm a fan of this.

I like that he extended the $400 a week... I'm with OCD that I didn't like the $600 when first signed... though I think it has worked well I like $400 better... we've seen workers at my job not want to come back because they were making more at home on unemployment...

Only one little detail here. Trump is only allowing for $300. He expects the other #100 to be paid by the states. In other words he is only willing to give out $300, which he actually has no authority or legal grounds to do, and then tell the states how to spend their money. Which he also has no authority to do.

Trump payroll tax executive order likely worth $1,200 per worker: Kudlow
Trump directed a payroll tax deferral to run from September through the end of December

https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/trump-executive-order-payroll-tax-cut-1200-kudlow

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New York governor calls Trump's executive actions "laughable"
From CNN's Sheena Jones
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo called President Trump’s executive actions laughable during the state’s daily Covid-19 call.

These remarks were made after President Trump signed several executive actions, including one that would require states to pay 25% of enhanced unemployment benefits.

“Executive orders will not be a substitute for legislation,” the governor said. “You can’t now say to states who have no funding you have to pay 25% of the unemployment insurance cause."
Cuomo went on to say, “there is no funding for schools that are now trying to reopen and according to the white house they want them to reopen, so they need legislation. It’s the only way to do it,” the governor said.

“When you are in a hole, stop digging, “ Cuomo said

Not only that but the federal government will not provide the $300 unless the states provide the $100. And since this isn't done by congress, the states need to implement new processes (and possibly tools) to implement. This will take months before anyone sees a dime, and likely nobody will ever see a dime.

It isn't a cut, it just defers the due date for the employee portion. One would think an economic advisor would know that. The payroll taxes will be due in December. Companies won't likely want to stop withholding the employees' share of the taxes from their paychecks due to that. Here have 1200 now, and i'll expect it back in December.

He thinks he's going to win the election and permanently get rid of the taxes - just another attempt to further damage social security and medicare. It fits perfectly with Trump's screw the people campaign of the last 4 years.

But the devil is in the detail ... as it is this is like PR heaven for Trump. Regardless of facts and details you will hear him crowing about how he tried to help the down trodden and poor from now till the election.

And also the federal portion will come from the pot of money (about 44billion) that is for hurricane and flood disaster relief. And there is enough in that pot of money for about 5 weeks

President of the United States of America Donald Trump insists the government feeds his people and helps them to pay their bills as we await victory over Covid.

Send the money back if you don't want it!

Lol, he insinuated that he may make it permanent or abolish it all the way... We're talking about the social security tax here. He's saying that he will end social security if re-elected... He is creating a shortfall on social security funding by doing this. This move helps nobody and will cause a major issue for many at tax time. But if it's good for Trump's campaign then none of that matters.

Funny, Cuomo has no issues using executive orders to fine people and threaten jail time to people who refuse to wear masks under his unconstitutional executive orders on masks, no such order was passed though the NY State Legislature yet that is perfectly OK, but if Trump does it, its suddenly wrong.

Cuomo is a hypocritical moron that is responsible for killing thousands of elderly people in nursing homes with his orderes to send COVID patients there. He should have been recalled and removed from office by the electorate months ago.

You're right 40 about him wanting to get funds to people with the unemployment EO and he wants to help people stay in their homes with the eviction moratorium. He's also giving those with student loans some temporary relief. Props for those. But then he does a snake in the grass move on social security and he could have moved to wipe out student debt with a debt forgiveness.

I've had enough Cuomo to last a lifetime. My wife always has CNN on, and he's on there constantly, all day long. He talks and talks and talks and never shuts up. When does he have time to do his job? And then his brother picks up the slack when he's not on. CNN - the Cuomo News Network.

I turn him off all the time, just like I do Trump.

What's going to be interesting is seeing if state's go ahead and pony up that $400 unemployment this week or next instead of waiting for the legalities to be resolved. If people get it fast he will score some points in polls. Otherwise he will have egg on his face and look even more inept.

I also find your praise of him hysterical after all the "Obama wants to be King" rhetoric from your side a few years back... How is this executive action good with the constitutionalist GOP? Almost all reporting say it's unconstitutional/illegal for him to do these thing because it violates the separation of powers where congress controls the purse.

Nobody will get it, we can't send back what we don't get

I am sure that 40 won't have an issue then when a democratic president issues an executive order without going thru congress for getting rid of student loan debt or a trillion or two for climate change

TeamTrump® missed the boat. They should have hired you outright, instead of wasting time on folks like Sean Spicer, Anthony Scaramucci, Sarah Huckabilly Sanders, KellyAnne Conway, Stephanie Grisham, and Kayleigh McEnany (*whew!* pantpantpant).

1600 could have consolidated resources, limited overhead, trimmed staff, and saved a boat tonne of man hours interviewing/replacing all those folks who didn't toady up to Donald's standards. You would never have let him down, not even once. Unless by accident/miscalculation- at which time, you'd have been filleted for 2 days on Twitter, and kept right on rollin'.

Damn.
This would have been a match made in... idunno, Hoboken? -but it would have been a better fit than the rest of these also-rans.

Now, you'll have to take the long route: internship at FOX, asst, Junior op-ed spots from time to time, ensmble cast member, your own primetime show, and finally... a spot at Trump TV when he leaves office.

D00D- timing is everything.
*tsk, tsk, tsk*

You need marriage counselling.
That's just plain wrong to do to someone whom she claims to love.

#n0cablenooz34ver

This only weakens Healthcare, Social security, Medicaid‘Medicare, and the elderly. This also helps businesses more than workers. Money over life. The trump way. Pffft trump and his supporters...who enjoy the strife, 160,000 American deaths with 20% unemployment that trump handed to us on a gold and silver platter. Enjoy it. Own it!

The devil is in the details.. $300 comes from the Fed,, $100 has to come from the states and states are already begging for assistence that Trump will only give to states that have Republican governor.. Really, hes for just his people..

Trumps reasoning? He thinks that cutting it to $400 will force people to go back to work.. The problem, while some jobs are open, the jobs in most factories and retail stores in down..

This is an attempt to artificially boost employment..

Also, this isn't a tax cut, it's a deferment. How do we pay it back? again, the details in anything Trump does..

Oh, payroll tax deferment only helps those that are working.. those on layoff or terminated, see no benefit.

Trump is an idiot,,,

PS, where is the Republican Health Care Plan?

That’s up to each individual state. That’s their plan.

The republicans should just write one bill and re introduce it every damn time America needs them to stand up... The Crumbs Bill; the poor get crumbs and self sacrifice speeches while the rich get billion dollar socialism handouts and coddling at every little bump in the road.

Maybe it just goes to show that when you have a guy with a brain in charge he can deal with this virus only working part time. They have the best numbers in the entire nation.

It's odd how you think people shouldn't be hearing from the governor who is currently handling the virus better than any other governor in the nation.

Yet we're daily force fed information from a man who says stupid things like "Children are immune... It will just disappear... Not wearing masks and not social distancing are peaceful protest."

Do moments of sanity trouble you that much?

Oh they have one but all of the Democrates cry and scream because it does not include murdering babies. God forbid that they can't murder baby's that the corona virus missed.

Why don't you show us their healthcare plan?

How about this one???

https://mikejohnson.house.gov/media/in-the-news/republican-plan-health-care

It is no better or worse than the Dems health care plan.

Although IMO both plans suck.

So this is a subset of Republicans and not a party healthcare plan. McConnell has not brought it to the floor for debate and is not a part of the Republican party platform. Got it.

It is a proposal from the Republican Study Committee and not the Republican party.

LMFAO OK so tell me just what exactly are the dems plan for next year. LOL

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Anyone smart know how to embed this correctly?

Well that leaves me out. I never claimed to be smart lol