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Does anyone else think it's ironic that the Democrats spent millions of dollars because they were fake concerned about tampering in the 2016 election but WANT a less secure form of voting by mail?

To me that's very odd. Kind of the pot calling the kettle black.

Would like you to comment on the dismantling of mail processing machines, something that hasn't happened for year or is precent, during an election year.

Or maybe you'll just try your "humor" with nazi nonsense.

Another voice of the left. Assign derogatory labels to anyone who does not totally agree w/your ideologies.

It was just an opinion. Does agreeing with a Nazi fit your ideologies?

Our local Washington DC, Maryland, Virginia tv station ran an experiment recently...

WASHINGTON (ABC7) — Due to the pandemic, no one really knows if the United States Postal Service will be ready to handle a huge increase of mail-in ballots for the presidential election in November.

“I think there are going to be problems with people getting their votes counted,” says Mike Galligher who lives in Gaithersburg, Maryland.

"I'm concerned and I'm not mailing in mine now," adds Kristen Noble from Alexandria, Virginia. "I may fill out a mail-in ballot and take it to my polling place.

7 On Your Side is putting the Postal Service to the test. We mailed 100 fake mail-in ballots to ourselves from all over Washington, D.C.

More than a dozen other Sinclair Broadcast Group newsrooms are doing the same in this nationwide, unscientific test.

To be transparent, we're all using 6-by-9 envelopes with fake ballots inside to approximate the mail-in ballots you get from our local Board of Elections. To be fair, the outside of our envelope doesn't say Official Election Mail on it. The DC Board of Elections tells 7 On Your Side it has yet to finalize the design of the mail-in ballot and expects final approval sometime in September.

We put our fake ballots in mailboxes in Northwest DC, Southwest, Northeast, and Southeast D.C. and used First Class Mail.

The DC Board of Elections website says your ballot must arrive no later than the seventh day after election day. Everywhere we looked online, it cites the seven-day deadline. The I-Team discovered that’s incorrect. The DC City Council in May voted to extend the deadline to 10 days and not seven.

The DC Board of Elections told us: “We forgot to change it.”

We waited 10 days before picking up all our fake mail-in ballots at a post office box we purchased on 22nd Street Northwest. The final tally in our unscientific test?

Only 96 fake mail-in ballots were delivered. One was damaged.

The severely damaged fake mail-in ballot we received with a note from USPS on it

"Dear Postal customer, we sincerely regret the damage to your mail during handling by the Postal Service we hope this incident did not inconvenience you,” the plastic bag holding the damaged piece of mail read.

We believe the damaged one would be tossed out. Four were missing. That means 5% of our fake mail-in ballots would not be counted.

We reached out to the DNC, RNC, and the PostMaster General with no response.

The DC Board of Elections offered no comment.

"It's disconcerting and disappointing but I'm not sure we have... individuals have the solution for that,” says Kathy Chiron, President of the League of Women Voters of the District of Columbia.

https://wjla.com/features/7-on-your-side/7-on-your-side-tests-the-us-postal-service-mail-in-ballots

He literally typed the nazi salute a month ago.

Yes, only one of a few you seem to try and say represents Democrats as a whole and you allow to influence your own vote. Yet the extremists on the right like the KKK, white supremacists and QAnon seem to have no influence on your vote. Very strange. I guess since they don't post on the board you pretend they don't exist. What ever makes you sleep better at night.

j/c...

Hows that again

How does that work... It's ok for Russia to interfere with our elections... But it's not ok for the Post Office to scramble itself so as not to be able to perform it's duties under the constitution?

There is nothing even close to the pot calling the kettle black here.

It's those that blindly follow trump and believe every lie he tells that think it's bad to investigate a foreign power that screws with out elections....

A republican led senate committee just confirmed that Russia did indeed Tamper in our elections...

Can you at least try and keep up with the lies your party tells... Gees

Man, they sure are working hard to back peddle from what they said in late July...

USPS warns 46 states it cannot guarantee mail-in ballots will arrive in time for election

The report sends a warning to the tens of millions of voters eligible to vote by mail: even if voters meet every deadline and follow their state’s election procedures, their vote may not be counted.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/usps-wa...me-for-election

I guess all of the mail sorting machines they've taken out since then helped solved the problem.

I guess he missed the memo that just came out by a Republican led panel.

That letter was not sent out because of volume, the letter was sent out due to the concern over deadlines. The ballot needs to be received by election day to be counted. The USPS needs time to get the ballot to it's destination. The USPS recommends mailing ballots no later than Oct 27 in order for them to arrive on time. If you mail in after Oct 27, there is no guarantee the USPS will get in there on time. That letter was sent because states have policies that allow voter to obtain a ballot as late as 7 days before the election. By the time voter receives ballot, fills it out and drops it in the mail, it would be past the Oct 27 deadline, which means there is no guarantee the ballot will arrive on time.

Bottom line, mail your ballot far enough in advance and there won't be a problem.


Instead of reading media headlines that are design to get people all riled up. Why not read the actual letter itself (since you claim that facts matter)?

From the letter


This is no different than the christmas deadlines for having stuff delivered by christmas. You ship after the deadline, it's not the USPS fault it doesn't get there by Christmas.

The letters that were sent out basically state the USPS is not changing their operations because people don't plan ahead. As the saying goes: "a lack of planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on mine"

In 2016, voter turn out was almost 139 million. Let's say we get a turnout of 200 million this year. Thats 200 million extra pieces of mail in the month of October. Mean while, USPS project 2.5 billion pieces of mail in the week of Dec 16 2019

TLDR - don't wait to the last minute to mail your ballot.

J/C

The length that y’all conservatives, yes even you who claim you don’t support or voted for Trump, go to try and justify fascism because “scary liberal policies” dumbfounds me.

I would love to see the proof that the dismantling of sorting machines, removal of boxes, and slowdown of service has occurred in democrat leaning areas in past election seasons. I’ll be waiting.

Fascism is the Dems adding "You can now sue the Post Office" to the relief Bill.

Who the hell needs that?

Who would pass such a thing?

They are not serious, they just like to point and cry.

PRICELESS! I love watching Trumpians trying to redefine fascism. Anything to cover Trump.

Could you define fascism, as you are using it in that sentence?

I'm not even saying it is a good idea -- I haven't read about it --- but I'm really hard pressed to think of any scenario where "giving people more chances to sue to the government" could ever be construed as "fascism"

So fascism is the USPS not getting your ballot delivered on time because you missed the deadline?

It’s the removal of boxes, machines, and slowing processing speed in Democrat leaning areas which has never been documented as happening during an election year. All of this has been documented in this thread. You’d rather give “WHATABOUT” nonsense than anything else.

If you wish to support this USPS dismantling even though you claim you don’t like Trump, that’s your bag. I won’t carry it for you.

Lol. Is that the Hillary fake accent?

Still waiting for you to prove that what's happening now is a common occurrence that happens each election season.

Go whatabout somewhere else.

I don't feel a need to prove jack. Y'all can keep waiting.

j/c...

Wild times.

Then maybe you could explain why now, with all of those exact same guidelines in place in all 46 of those states, he claims they will be delivered on time?

Look, two polar opposite statements concerning getting your ballots in on time have been stated. The deadlines for mailing your ballots haven't changed. Only the message being sent out by the guy running the USPS has done a 180.

Postal trucks sometimes travel across country - with no mail - after USPS cuts

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — Postmaster General Louis DeJoy told senators Friday about cost-cutting fixes he has made to the U.S. Postal Service transportation system supposedly designed to improve service.

But an exclusive NewsChannel 5 investigation found that, at the same time that DeJoy was testifying, the Postal Service was paying for an empty truck to drive from Nashville to Illinois.

NewsChannel 5 Investigates discovered that DeJoy's changes have led to empty postal trucks being run all over the country.

"The only change I made, ma'am, was the trucks leave on time," said Postmaster General Louis DeJoy on Friday in response to questions from Sen. Jacky Rosen, D-NV.

Testifying before a U.S. Senate committee, Dejoy defended his cost-cutting measures, specifically highlighting cuts that targeted transportation issues within the Postal Service.

Those cuts require postal trucks to leave sorting facilities by a specific time each day and are intended to reduce expenses related to overtime and extra trips.

But postal workers in Nashville say DeJoy's new mandate is not practical and is having unintended consequences.

"Trucks leave empty," said Joe Jolley a postal employee with the postal workers union in Nashville.

"They leave completely empty. We pay a truck to travel to Memphis, a 53-foot truck with no mail on it."

He said DeJoy's new policy will not allow holding a truck for even five minutes so it can be loaded with mail, adding that Express Mail and Priority Mail are often left sitting on the docks because trucks have already left.

"That is very important mail - cremated remains, legal documents, things that must be delivered on time, guaranteed delivery - and we are not making that guarantee," Jolley said.

In June, the Postal Service's inspector general issued a report on the transportation network.

"During our site visits, we observed mail processing operations not processing mail timely, and not enough dock personnel moving the mail. This caused mail to miss its last scheduled transportation trip, which led to management calling extra trips and using driver overtime," the report states.

The inspector general’s report found delays in mail processing and inadequate dock staffing resulted in five million late trips last year, costing the agency $410 million.

In response, newly appointed Postmaster Dejoy mandated that every truck keep to its schedule, even if it is empty.

"If they are scheduled to leave at 7 a.m., they leave at 7 a.m., mail or no mail," Jolley said.

Trip tickets obtained by NewsChannel 5 Investigates show an empty truck left Nashville's sorting facility Friday at 6:01 a.m. on its way to Carol Stream, Illinois.

The ticket shows the truck left 14 minutes ahead of its scheduled 6:15 a.m, departure time, embarking on the 500-mile trip even though it had no mail.

On the same day, another truck bound for Memphis left 10 minutes early with an empty trailer, and yet another 53-foot trailer was empty when it left for Bowling Green four minutes ahead of schedule.

Don Eggers has been with Postal Service for 40 years and is vice president of the American Postal Workers Union, Local 5 in Nashville.

"We are seeing mail being delayed daily," Eggers said.

He said reducing staff and the number of sorting machines, which has happened in Nashville and at post offices across the country, only makes it harder to get mail ready for those trucks.

We showed Eggers photos we obtained of two sorting machines being dismantled inside the main post office on Royal Parkway, where most of the mail for Middle Tennessee is sorted.

"This is where we would be feeding the mail into the machine, but it's now unusable because it is being taken apart," Eggers said as he looked at the pictures.

In all, five of the facility's 34 sorting machines have been taken out of service recently, according to multiple sources with the postal workers union.

NewsChannel 5 Investigates asked, "Why do you think those machines are being taken down?"

Eggers responded, "I believe with the new Postmaster General that he's basically just delaying the mail."

DeJoy told senators that mail sorting machines across the country are being removed to make more room for packages, because mail volume is decreasing while package delivery is going up.

"Those machines, once they are gone, they are not coming back," Eggers said.

But Jolley says those are not the only machines taken out of service.

Until recently Nashville had three machines capable or sorting oversized, flat mail, such as mail-in ballots, he said.

Jolley said one of those machines was just taken out, leaving the post office with no back-up if either of the remaining two machines fail.

NewsChannel 5 Investigates clarified, "One of three machines capable of sorting ballots is out of operation?"

"Correct," Jolley said.

NewsChannel 5 Investigates followed, "What do you think of that?"

"I think it's dangerous," Jolley said.

DeJoy assured senators the postal system will be able to handle mail-in ballots nationwide and promised to stop removing sorting machines until after the election.

But workers are concerned.

NewsChannel 5 Investigates asked, "Do you think he's trying to sabotage the postal service because of the election?"

Eggers responded, "Sabotage is a very strong word. But if the things he wants done, the postal service is to do, yes it's going to affect it."

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newsch...after-usps-cuts

The actual postal departure tickets are posted at the link.