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He just didn't fit the future.

I know. He was a Pro Bowl player that the Browns drafted and developed. One of the smartest players on the D.

As we all know, those players never fit the Browns future.

J/C

This topic got me talking earlier about our best LBs since 1999. Which (let’s say 3-5) players would you guys put in that category?

Andra Davis?
Jamir Miller?
Dwayne Rudd?
Joe Schobert?
Karlos Dansby?
Earl Holmes?

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I think he made it when every team had to have a pro bowl player.


Maybe he was the best of the mess? Ya think?



It doesn't mean he was all that good. He was just the best we could offer.


Just saying

Miller (the Achilles was one of the most disappointing injuries since the return, imo)

Rudd (except for the helmet)

You are forgetting Wali Rainer and Beau Bell.

and we might not have better this year.. Yet to be determined

The Browns have the worst starting LBs in the AFC. Other than that playoff year and last year the Browns have always been weak at LB.
Look at all the bums that suited up.
Chaun Thompson...Kaluka Maivia....Scott Fujita..
That stiff from Macedonia.....Tresnick..
And all those years the Browns were near the bottom vs the run.

Except for when Gregg Williams was coach.

Except for when Jabril Peppers was still on the team before the trade.

If the Lb's suck, I know the Safeties suck, add those together they'll give up 35 points a game,

if they do that Stefanski is fired, another year older and deeper in debt!

That new coach next time is going to be even better! BLEH!

D'Qwell Jackson #1 (might be one of the best in the history of the team)
Andra Davis #2
Schobert #3
Craig Robertson #4
Jabaal Sheard/Willie McGinest #5

Sorry, misread this.

Those first few years we were chugging through vets for one or two seasons, but Jamir Miller was an absolute beast (easy).

Andra Davis was solid, but I'd prefer D'Qwell Jackson between the two (it still kills me that he didn't get his pro bowl nod until after he left Cleveland, even though he was the QB of our only good defensive season, crap...was that 2010-2011-ish?).

Let's pause to remember the early Wimbley, Jackson, Davis, McGinest LB years. Yeah, no where near Pitt's 3-4 LB squads but still fun to watch, and I always preferred our ILB's to Pitt's, too bad their OLB's were playing at a hall of fame clip back then.

BTW, are we counting Jabaal Sheard as a LB for the couple years we were in a 3-4 with him? I always liked Jabaal. Or Paul Kreuger for that matter? He was...err..decent for a couple seasons. Maybe I'll just stick with guys who could actually play off-ball sense the issues we have now are not with stand up edge rushers.

I actually like Karlos Dansby for his short stint. And yes, the pre-injury Kirksey was still better than I think a lot of people give him credit for (though 2 years of garbage right after signing your big-money deal will do that).

Yeah, a short list I guess.

Jamir Miller (FA)
Q'Qwell Jackson
Andra Davis
Earl Holmes (FA- briefly)
Dwayne Rudd (FA- briefly)
Karlos Dansby (FA- briefly)
Joe Schobert
Christian Kirksey

Well, Schobert and Kirksey were both good for two years. Outside of that we have apparently only drafted two off-ball LBers that made any difference...ugh.

Congratulations to D'Qwell Jackson I guess for being our bet drafted LB

Man...flipping through those season by season rosters on Wikipedia really takes you back. I'm getting old.

DQwell is a good choice for sure.

Watching old clips, I totally forgot about Chaun Thompson haha ... what a strange pick that was in the 2nd round (IIRC)

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/08...leg-injury.html

Browns linebacker Mack Wilson carted off with a left knee injury and will be further evaluated
Updated 5:05 PM; Today 3:48 PM
Cleveland Browns training camp, August 17, 2020
Cleveland Browns linebacker Mack Wilson at training camp, August 17, 2020, in Berea.John Kuntz, cleveland.com

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By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
BEREA, Ohio -- It’s been a rough first two days in pads for Browns linebacker Mack Wilson.

On Monday, he horsecollared Nick Chubb to the ground after a catch in the left flat, and caused the running back to suffer a concussion when his head hit the ground. On Tuesday, Wilson was demoted to second-team linebacker behind Tae Davis for taking out the team’s star running back on a dangerous and illegal hit, and then went down midway through practice with what proved to be a left knee injury.


The extent of the injury is unknown, and Wilson, the starting weakside ‘backer, is undergoing further evaluation, the Browns said.

It occurred during a 7-on-7 drill, when Wilson broke up a pass and then crumpled to the ground. He threw his helmet off, indicating he knew immediately it could be serious. His fellow linebackers crowded around him while he was on the ground with the trainers tending to him. Two members of the medical staff then helped him to the sideline, with Wilson limping and not putting weight on the left leg.


Doctors worked on the knee again on the sidelines, apparently checking for signs of ligament damage. They soon called for the cart, and Wilson got on and made the long ride into the fieldhouse sitting up with his legs out in front of him, but with his head down in his hands.

Nick Chubb in the concussion protocol

If Wilson is lost for any length of time, the Browns will likely have to add some depth at an already thin position. The starting linebackers for camp have been Wilson on the weakside, Sione Takitaki on the strongside and free-agent pickup B.J. Goodson in the middle.


There’s precious little experience at the position, and the Browns were already keeping an eye out for more talent.

It was a bizarre sequence of events in the span of 24 hours for Wilson.

Coach Kevin Stefanski admitted before practice “it’s fair’' to say he wasn’t happy about the horsecollar tackle, which landed his starting running back in the concussion protocol. With only 14 padded practices and the opener on Sept. 13 against the Ravens, the Browns can ill afford to be without starters for any length of time.

In other practice news, Myles Garrett (hamstring), Larry Ogunjobi (groin), and Damion Ratley (groin) were idle. Jarvis Landry (hip) and Karl Joseph (foot) were back in pads after sitting out Monday.

Sounds bad. Let’s hope Phillips and Taki Taki can step up

The available options at linebacker are. . . not great.

At some point, we have to hit on some mid round picks, whether that be Wilson, Phillips, Taki, etc. All great teams have guys drafted in all rounds and undrafted contributing. That's what we need.

I mean Wilson and Phillips were starters on powerhouse teams in the SEC. Coach them up, develop them. We can't field a team full of first rounders.

The constant turnover likely is the culprit here. Guys in the mid rounds need to be developed. We draft guys and then the coaches that drafted them are gone a year later. The only mid round guy that we drafted that will play significant snaps is Ogunjobi.

Wilson would have been better than 50/50 to go in rnd 1 if he stood in school ... he was a STEAL where we got him ... lets hope he’s OK ...

I am/was expecting big things from him this year ...

Yeah, it’d be nice to have us hit on a guy like we did with Rubin (6th round IIRC)

Agree 100%.

Yeah, that did not look like it felt good, at all.

Hoping we grab Alec Ogletree...Not a great LB, but I think he can step in and lead our group...I mean he was all pro once, and was graded right around Joe Scho according to PFF...Still only 28 years old as well. I know NY dumped him as he wasn't worth his contract.

Here we go again. Any player I start to get excited about.

Hopefully our deep secondary/DL can make up for our weak LB corp

Browns Linebackers?

They don't exist.

WAY TO GO NOT SIGNING JOE!

Dang, that sucks for him

Ima UGA guy so I'm bias, but I mentioned we should have grabbed Ogletree a long time ago.

Sign Clay Matthews III

I wonder what the Jags would want for Joe ... *L* ,,,

He was brought up this morning on 92.3. Depending on the severity of Wilson's injury and him being sidelined, we might be forced to sign someone.

Joe earned the right to leave!

Linebacker seems to be a position we are not investing heavily in... I feel there's a definite strategy involved here. We may sign someone but we also may not.

I feel Clay Matthews is a different style player than Wilson. Sign Matthews and there's still a void at Wilson's "position."