Seems to me that you are the one w/the big stick in your ass because you have been on a 4 year crusade to belittle the other side and you are one of the biggest name-calling, insult-delivering, one-sided posters who have ever frequented this board.
I have tried real hard to ignore your personal attacks due to loyalty, but dude, you never let up. Your constant insults are over the top.
I never said you had a stick in your ass. Reading is fundamental. And the 'insults' as you call them are usually truths. Once in a while I go too far, I'll admit that, but generally I just give as good as I get or bring the truth to the table and that makes many posters mad.
Listening to Obama speak makes me wish we had him back as president right now. Man do we need his leadership more than ever.
Instead we got a guy in charge who can barely formulate a complete sentence in Trump, and has to respond to any little shot because he is so thin-skinned. He is the living definition of a weak leader.
You can easily tell who has to work for everything they got, and who had everything handed to them.
And just like Trumps inheritance, he’s running America straight into the ground....shout out to Kamala!
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“Good evening, everybody. As you’ve seen by now, this isn’t a normal convention. It’s not a normal time. So tonight, I want to talk as plainly as I can about the stakes in this election. Because what we do these next 76 days will echo through generations to come.
“I’m in Philadelphia, where our Constitution was drafted and signed. It wasn’t a perfect document. It allowed for the inhumanity of slavery and failed to guarantee women – and even men who didn’t own property – the right to participate in the political process. But embedded in this document was a North Star that would guide future generations; a system of representative government – a democracy – through which we could better realize our highest ideals. Through civil war and bitter struggles, we improved this Constitution to include the voices of those who’d once been left out. And gradually, we made this country more just, more equal, and more free.
“The one Constitutional office elected by all of the people is the presidency. So at minimum, we should expect a president to feel a sense of responsibility for the safety and welfare of all 330 million of us – regardless of what we look like, how we worship, who we love, how much money we have – or who we voted for.
“But we should also expect a president to be the custodian of this democracy. We should expect that regardless of ego, ambition, or political beliefs, the president will preserve, protect, and defend the freedoms and ideals that so many Americans marched for and went to jail for; fought for and died for.
“I have sat in the Oval Office with both of the men who are running for president. I never expected that my successor would embrace my vision or continue my policies. I did hope, for the sake of our country, that Donald Trump might show some interest in taking the job seriously; that he might come to feel the weight of the office and discover some reverence for the democracy that had been placed in his care.
“But he never did. For close to four years now, he’s shown no interest in putting in the work; no interest in finding common ground; no interest in using the awesome power of his office to help anyone but himself and his friends; no interest in treating the presidency as anything but one more reality show that he can use to get the attention he craves.
“Donald Trump hasn’t grown into the job because he can’t. And the consequences of that failure are severe. 170,000 Americans dead. Millions of jobs gone while those at the top take in more than ever. Our worst impulses unleashed, our proud reputation around the world badly diminished, and our democratic institutions threatened like never before.
“Now, I know that in times as polarized as these, most of you have already made up your mind. But maybe you’re still not sure which candidate you’ll vote for – or whether you’ll vote at all. Maybe you’re tired of the direction we’re headed, but you can’t see a better path yet, or you just don’t know enough about the person who wants to lead us there.
“So let me tell you about my friend Joe Biden.
“Twelve years ago, when I began my search for a vice president, I didn’t know I’d end up finding a brother. Joe and I came from different places and different generations. But what I quickly came to admire about him is his resilience, born of too much struggle; his empathy, born of too much grief. Joe’s a man who learned – early on – to treat every person he meets with respect and dignity, living by the words his parents taught him: “No one’s better than you, Joe, but you’re better than nobody.”
“That empathy, that decency, the belief that everybody counts – that’s who Joe is.
“When he talks with someone who’s lost her job, Joe remembers the night his father sat him down to say that he’d lost his. When Joe listens to a parent who’s trying to hold it all together right now, he does it as the single dad who took the train back to Wilmington each and every night so he could tuck his kids into bed. When he meets with military families who’ve lost their hero, he does it as a kindred spirit; the parent of an American soldier; somebody whose faith has endured the hardest loss there is.
“For eight years, Joe was the last one in the room whenever I faced a big decision. He made me a better president – and he’s got the character and the experience to make us a better country.
“And in my friend Kamala Harris, he’s chosen an ideal partner who’s more than prepared for the job; someone who knows what it’s like to overcome barriers and who’s made a career fighting to help others live out their own American dream.
“Along with the experience needed to get things done, Joe and Kamala have concrete policies that will turn their vision of a better, fairer, stronger country into reality.
“They’ll get this pandemic under control, like Joe did when he helped me manage H1N1 and prevent an Ebola outbreak from reaching our shores. They’ll expand health care to more Americans, like Joe and I did ten years ago when he helped craft the Affordable Care Act and nail down the votes to make it the law. They’ll rescue the economy, like Joe helped me do after the Great Recession. I asked him to manage the Recovery Act, which jumpstarted the longest stretch of job growth in history.
“And he sees this moment now not as a chance to get back to where we were, but to make long-overdue changes so that our economy actually makes life a little easier for everybody – whether it’s the waitress trying to raise a kid on her own, or the shift worker always on the edge of getting laid off, or the student figuring out how to pay for next semester’s classes.
“Joe and Kamala will restore our standing in the world – and as we’ve learned from this pandemic, that matters. Joe knows the world, and the world knows him. He knows that our true strength comes from setting an example the world wants to follow. A nation that stands with democracy, not dictators. A nation that can inspire and mobilize others to overcome threats like climate change, terrorism, poverty, and disease.
“But more than anything, what I know about Joe and Kamala is that they actually care about every American. And they care deeply about this democracy.
“They believe that in a democracy, the right to vote is sacred, and we should be making it easier for people to cast their ballot, not harder. They believe that no one – including the president – is above the law, and that no public official – including the president – should use their office to enrich themselves or their supporters.
“They understand that in this democracy, the Commander-in-Chief doesn’t use the men and women of our military, who are willing to risk everything to protect our nation, as political props to deploy against peaceful protesters on our own soil. They understand that political opponents aren’t “un-American” just because they disagree with you; that a free press isn’t the “enemy” but the way we hold officials accountable; that our ability to work together to solve big problems like a pandemic depends on a fidelity to facts and science and logic and not just making stuff up.
“None of this should be controversial. These shouldn’t be Republican principles or Democratic principles. They are American principles. But at this moment, this president and those who enable him, have shown they don’t believe in these things.
“Tonight, I am asking you to believe in Joe and Kamala’s ability to lead this country out of these dark times and build it back better. But here’s the thing: no single American can fix this country alone. Not even a president. Democracy was never meant to be transactional – you give me your vote; I make everything better. It requires an active and informed citizenry. So I am also asking you to believe in your own ability – to embrace your own responsibility as citizens – to make sure that the basic tenets of our democracy endure.
“Because that’s what at stake right now. Our democracy.
“Look, I understand why a lot of Americans are down on government. The way the rules have been set up and abused in Congress make it easier for special interests to stop progress than to make progress. Believe me, I know. I understand why a white factory worker who’s seen his wages cut or his job shipped overseas might feel like the government no longer looks out for him, and why a Black mom might feel like it never looked out for her at all. I understand why a new immigrant might look around this country and wonder whether there’s still a place for him here; why a young person might look at politics right now, the circus of it all, the meanness and the lies and conspiracy theories and think, what’s the point?
“Well, here’s the point: this president and those in power – those who benefit from keeping things the way they are – they are counting on your cynicism. They know they can’t win you over with their policies. So they’re hoping to make it as hard as possible for you to vote, and to convince you that your vote doesn’t matter. That’s how they win. That’s how they get to keep making decisions that affect your life, and the lives of the people you love. That’s how the economy will keep getting skewed to the wealthy and well-connected, how our health systems will let more people fall through the cracks. That’s how a democracy withers, until it’s no democracy at all.
“And we cannot let that happen. Do not let them take away your power. Do not let them take away your democracy. Make a plan right now for how you’re going to get involved and vote. Do it as early as you can and tell your family and friends how they can vote too. Do what Americans have done for over two centuries when faced with even tougher times than this – all those quiet heroes who found the courage to keep marching, keep pushing in the face of hardship and injustice.
“Last month, we lost a giant of American democracy in John Lewis. Some years ago, I sat down with John and the few remaining leaders of the early Civil Rights Movement. One of them told me he never imagined he’d walk into the White House and see a president who looked like his grandson. Then he told me that he’d looked it up, and it turned out that on the very day that I was born, he was marching into a jail cell, trying to end Jim Crow segregation in the South.
“What we do echoes through the generations.
“Whatever our backgrounds, we’re all the children of Americans who fought the good fight. Great grandparents working in firetraps and sweatshops without rights or representation. Farmers losing their dreams to dust. Irish and Italians and Asians and Latinos told to go back where you came from. Jews and Catholics, Muslims and Sikhs, made to feel suspect for the way they worshipped. Black Americans chained and whipped and hanged. Spit on for trying to sit at lunch counters. Beaten for trying to vote.
“If anyone had a right to believe that this democracy did not work, and could not work, it was those Americans. Our ancestors. They were on the receiving end of a democracy that had fallen short all their lives. They knew how far the daily reality of America strayed from the myth. And yet, instead of giving up, they joined together and said somehow, some way, we are going to make this work. We are going to bring those words, in our founding documents, to life.
“I’ve seen that same spirit rising these past few years. Folks of every age and background who packed city centers and airports and rural roads so that families wouldn’t be separated. So that another classroom wouldn’t get shot up. So that our kids won’t grow up on an uninhabitable planet. Americans of all races joining together to declare, in the face of injustice and brutality at the hands of the state, that Black Lives Matter, no more, but no less, so that no child in this country feels the continuing sting of racism.
“To the young people who led us this summer, telling us we need to be better – in so many ways, you are this country’s dreams fulfilled. Earlier generations had to be persuaded that everyone has equal worth. For you, it’s a given – a conviction. And what I want you to know is that for all its messiness and frustrations, your system of self-government can be harnessed to help you realize those convictions.
“You can give our democracy new meaning. You can take it to a better place. You’re the missing ingredient – the ones who will decide whether or not America becomes the country that fully lives up to its creed.
“That work will continue long after this election. But any chance of success depends entirely on the outcome of this election. This administration has shown it will tear our democracy down if that’s what it takes for them to win. So we have to get busy building it up – by pouring all our efforts into these 76 days, and by voting like never before – for Joe and Kamala, and candidates up and down the ticket, so that we leave no doubt about what this country we love stands for – today and for all our days to come.
So proud to have voted for you, Obama. What an inspiration!
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I was also hoping he would take the lead in uniting the country by being a voice of reason in the race/social forums.
Unfortunately, he is still political.
He could have been the one to help unite the country. Instead, he chose to remain true to his political ties.
The Dems and minorities STILL desperately need a spokesperson who can reach folks beyond those who are already converts. Obama could have been that guy. He chose not to pursue that avenue. Sad.
Wrong again. I have. (dude, you've been wrong for 4 years running)
Hey, wanna know something you don't know? I enjoy watching you writhe and wiggle in your foolishness and idiocy.
I also enjoy watching videos of past presidents and their speaking gaffes. W Bush was great for that. So was O. Reagan was the king of speech. Seriously. Clinton was a master of "depends on what your definition ......"
Biden will - actually IS in the same boat right now. Dude doesn't know where he is most of the time.
Dems best plan would be to keep cellar joe in the cellar. Dude can't even read a teleprompter.
All caps tweet storm last night aahhahahahhhahahahahahahhahaahaha
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I was also hoping he would take the lead in uniting the country by being a voice of reason in the race/social forums.
Unfortunately, he is still political.
He could have been the one to help unite the country. Instead, he chose to remain true to his political ties.
The Dems and minorities STILL desperately need a spokesperson who can reach folks beyond those who are already converts. Obama could have been that guy. He chose not to pursue that avenue. Sad.
So out of interest - with Trump in office and the most divisive POTUS we have ever seen, the center of countless ongoing controversies ..... what exactly would you have liked Obama to step up and say? Seriously. He's at the Dem convention to help Biden get elected .... what message do you think was expected / reasonable?
To me this feels a lot like this falls into the Drew Brees incident where he commented on the kneeling. You were all for him until he got educated by his fellow football players and he changed his perspective. You loved him until he didn't echo your feelings and at that point instead of recognizing Brees had been enlightened you claimed he'd been brow beaten and not allowed to express his true feelings.
Not attacking anyone - but that's how I see this. I don't think Obama has changed since being in office. I think he realizes how dangerous for the USA a 2nd term of Trump would be and is active in his support of getting Biden elected. I wouldn't expect a lot different.... as I said, what would have been better / acceptable to you ?
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
I posted this on a different thread too .... but worth highlighting: .. the bookies / Vegas still have Donald J Trump as the favorite to win the next election. They aren't often wrong. Anyone thinking this election is a slam dunk is totally fooling themselves.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
what exactly would you have liked Obama to step up and say?
I wasn't talking about what he said specifically at the convention.
This goes back to my previous posts and thread where I asked the country to unite instead of furthering the divide. I think the blacks need a strong voice of reason and leadership, much like MLK back in the day. I was hoping Obama would fill that role and focus the movement. I was hoping the country would unite instead of continue splitting at the seams. Of course, that person would need to distance himself or herself from either political party and be a voice of reason that attempts to unite people. Obama is still politically involved, thus my hope of him taking the lead won't be realized.
BTw---I still have hopes the country will come to its senses and unite. I just don't talk about it on here anymore because it just leads to ridicule from some of the board members from the left. They don't want to unite. They want to divide and conquer. There is no sense in wasting time talking to brick walls.
Why bother? Vers just openly admitted to voting for the guy who was the leader of the racist birthed movement.
As far as I’m concerned, Vers is complicit in trumps blatant racism now.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
He won back-to-back elections and is still beloved and respected by many. We'll never convince the extremists on either side, but I think it is important that the rational and open-minded folks try and unite instead of furthering the divide.
I am not bad-mouthing Obama for not taking that lead role. I was just hoping he would. This country in general and blacks in particular need a strong voice of reason to stop the lunacy and self-destructive behavior that is poisoning this great country.
imma put on obama sign in my yard just to tick off all the trump supporters in the HOA i live in. screw trump supporters.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
However, I think Trump is a better option than Biden and the BLM movement.
Maybe you can explain that to the 20,000,000 million Americans that will be kicked off their healthcare insurance if Trump wins his fight to end the ACA. Maybe those who will no longer have healthcare coverage for preexisting conditions which the ACA makes law. That could even include yourself.
We can go on if you like. How about the names he calls women Democrats while wishing Ghislaine Maxwell luck?
Man, you have a lot to unpack there.
Allowing the fringe of the party to dictate the overall well being of your fellow citizens is a trap a lot of people easily fall into.
If that is your gauge, you may wish to consider the fringe of the party of trump. I used to call it the Republican party, but no more.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I am not speaking for those people. I am speaking for myself. And I don't care if you like it or not. I'll speak for myself and I don't need your guidance.
You can speak your mind as much as you wish. Just as I can speak mine. Keep in mind that life is a two way street.
Millions of Americans will suffer at the hands of this administration if he is reelected. Many of the same people you have claimed to care for. That is the truth. And just as you have the right to speak out, I will do the same.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Where did I tell you what to do? See, you refuse to even discuss anything.
We have an attorney general who is basically the presidents lawyer. We have someone leading the department of education who funnels money into private education and a man leading HUD that has no experience at anything remotely close to any experience at it.
Over 5 million people have lost their healthcare and Trump is suing to take healthcare away from over 20 million more.
You can do anything you like. Unlike your assertion I've never told you otherwise. But I'm certainly going to point out the consequences our nation faces if you help elect Trump.
Let's take the environment for example. Do you have any idea how many environmental regulations he has overturned and some of the consequences those actions will make? Like allowing coal companies to dump coal ash into our waterways?
These are facts. They are not me telling you what to do. I can see right now that you have no intention of discussing what the consequences of your actions may cause and I can understand why.
As I've said before, they run counter to many of the things you have claimed to stand for in the past.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Maybe you can explain that to the 20,000,000 million Americans that will be kicked off their healthcare insurance if Trump wins his fight to end the ACA.
And I told you that I wasn't speaking for those people. I was speaking for myself.
And Pit, you are not interested in having a discussion. You only want to win arguments. As I told you before, I'm not interested in talking to you.
Yet you requested that I comment on another poster just earlier.
Your tactic is a great way to avoid holding any actual discussion of substance. Nothing I stated above is an argument. They are facts.
And if you're supporting defunding education and taking away the healthcare of millions of Americans at least be willing to admit those may very well be the consequences of your actions.
And let me once again remind you how message boards work. You put out comments in a forum and others on that forum respond. That's exactly what I'll do when I wish to.
I have tried to have a civil debate with you about things lately and people can read posts from both of us. At this point in time they can see who is actually trying to discuss topics and who is trying to start the argument.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Ill reply to anyone who posts on this board as I so please. I thought i made that point clear to you?
by "they" I meant everyone who reads this board. It's obvious I've been trying to have a rational discussion with you and you're avoiding it like the plague.
And let me explain yet something else to you. If you didn't care what anyone else thinks you wouldn't bother yourself with posting here.
So no comment on any of the things Trump does and supports that will negatively impact your fellow educators, The health of American students and their families, housing for the poor or over 20 million total people that will lose their healthcare and the 5 million who already have....
That certainly is convenient for you.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Maybe you can explain that to the 20,000,000 million Americans that will be kicked off their healthcare insurance if Trump wins his fight to end the ACA.
And I told you that I wasn't speaking for those people. I was speaking for myself.
And Pit, you are not interested in having a discussion. You only want to win arguments. As I told you before, I'm not interested in talking to you.
So, go pound salt w/the gang.
It's odd that you talk about a gang that you keep talking about and including me - and then in the next post talk about the speed of a few posters including me. The other day you and a few others were all talking about your PM's and off the board communication. I do hardly any of that - ever. I think I've probably had as much off the board communication from you as anyone .... and yet you are PMing these people who you seem to be on poor terms with ... I can only imagine that means you PM with many others more frequently, and yet we're the one you want to call a gang and accuse of coordinated posting. I'm offended by that and think it smacks of hypocrisy.
Personally I prefer the recent change from telling everyone else how to post and what they should post on, to simply stating your opinion on Trump and issues. I don't agree with it all but it's far easier to discuss a topic that way even if no-one is changing anyone else's mind. The judging of other's posts and what they did or didn't comment on isn't constructive ... you talk about people wanting to win points, to me the judging of others comments is all about scoring points and not debate. Once again, not an attack, just how I see it.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
Even though it holds nothing of value, it's clear. Even though it will have zero impact on my actions, I get it. The problem is, a lot of what I have posted in response to you haven't been opinions, they've been facts.
Just because you have decided to label them opinions doesn't change that.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Tara Reade speaks out on Democratic convention, says party 'complicit' in 'gaslighting' survivors Biden accuser said she would 'absolutely' speak at GOP convention upon an invitation
EXCLUSIVE: Tara Reade, who rocked the presidential primary race early this year with sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden before her story faded from the headlines in the face of adamant denials, voiced disappointment in the Democratic Party's handling of claims from her and other survivors as its convention draws to a close.
"They're pretending that they're the upholders of the 'Me Too' like a shield but meanwhile, some of their main Democratic elites, some of the main powerful people involved with the party are actually perpetrators themselves. And it's this denial, collective denial and gaslighting of survivors, that's been so concerning to me. "And frankly, I think the Democratic National Committee is complicit because they're not just ignoring it. They're participating in it ... and enabling those perpetrators," she said.
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