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It’s pretty obvious these cops aren’t listening to the public who they promised to serve and to protect.

I know he walked by police before the shooting. The cops drove by him after the shooting as they were responding to assist the victims of the shooting. I'm not sure how well shouts can be heard through armored vehicles or cop cars with radios. I haven't seen the police explanation yet.

How does a cop explain driving right past a dude with an assault rifle with his hands up ready to be taken into custody? It’s almost as hard as trying to explain why you shot an unarmed black man in the back. But whatever it is usually spun and explained away by these cops and their police unions.

A guy with his hands up typically isn't a threat. This is why people that cooperate with cops tend not to get shot, unlike those that are reaching for a weapon in their car. This is why I keep my hands on the steering wheel if I get pulled over. Open carry is legal there. I'm pretty sure the cop couldn't hear the guy with the phone shouting from 50 feet away. They also got called to a shooting, which takes precedence over a guy walking with a rifle that they don't know has been fired. There were quite a few people openly carrying rifles that night too.

Oh dear Lord.

What. Does it not agree with your predetermined conclusions?

Even if this isn't labeled domestic terrorism, it sounds like what he did is a federal crime. My reasoning for asking is because I have no idea if Wisconsin has the death penalty, but I do know the feds do. I'm not sure it qualifies, but if it does, I'd hope to see that on the table.

That's not it at all. It sounds like Little Johnnies parents at school making excuses for all of Little Johnnies bad behavior no matter what Little Johnny does.

This case will follow dumbass logic...

The kid was a dumbass minor to take a gun across state lines and participate in protest management "control" using open carry.

I heard a pretty good breakdown.... Seems as though he had a visible presence in the city and interaction with police hours before the tragedy.

Something went wrong.... from what I heard there was an incident at a dumpster that was on fire with the first person that was killed. A shot goes off and he gets scared and fires his gun killing that person. Then winds up running scared stumbles or is hit with the skate board and and starts fires the gun again... killing another and hurting another. Amazingly he walks right by police with hands in the air and people shouting that he had killed someone.

This will be difficult to untangle.

This is why you do not want untrained people running around with guns.

I can see charges against the parents...

While Alex Jones will be screaming it's a hoax and never actually happened.

I'm not excusing the kid at all. Some of you talk as if the cops drove by him knowing he was the shooter. Also, from what I've read, there were multiple shooters in the area.

I have no clue what he was thinking, driving into a different state. To protect a business? Or businesses? Why? He's not a cop, he's not a LEO of any sort.

He was not in a militia. Even if he were, you can't shoot people just because.

Did he use his weapon in self defense? Hard to tell, but if he'd have kept his ass at home, it wouldn't matter.

Again, have to see more video to prove he was only defending himself..........but if he stayed his ass at home, he wouldn't be looking at life in prison.

Running away, he tripped. Someone ran up and kicked him in the head. Someone else tried to bash his head with a skateboard. He was attacked, he fired. If he'd of kept his ass at home, nothing would've happened to him, or the people he killed, and the guy he wounded.

Escalation is happening on both sides. Imagine it being your business, or your home, being pelted with rocks and or set on fire. What would you do?

It wasn't his home, it wasn't his business. He entered the arena willingly.

Just a sad/bad situation all around. All of it. Everything.

If he is lucky it will be a federal crime.
Trump will pardon him and call him a hero.

Good post.

another tidbit... He was interviewed by the Daily Caller prior to the events. Daily Caller leans hard right as a media source.

He had both a medical kit and the rifle.

He described himself as someone that would be running "into the fire".

That is a Springsteen reference for the first responders that went into the World Trade Towers on 9/11.

It's sad that we are producing so many nut-jobs in our society.

What's sadder is that when one talks about us "coming together" as a nation, folks either dismiss or ridicule that notion and dig their heels in and bring more hate. This happens on both sides.

So many people are spending untold amounts of energy on hate, division, and finger-pointing. If they would just spend 5 percent of that energy on trying to help others, promote unity, etc.........this country would be thriving.

I think the phrase: "I saw the enemy and it is us" which a spin on Oliver Hazard Perry's quote way back in the early 1800s, is apropos.

I will just say that we have a President that pours gas on the fire through words, and in other times no words. That is just not helpful and the lack of an understanding ear has made things worse.

My concerns have come to fruition.

And I will just say that most of us support Trump over the idiots that think rioting, looting, and criminal behavior is a better alternative.

We'll see come November.

I understand, but cannot agree, the total absence of commentary leads to more protests and incidents such as this.

I had the scanner on for that night and for the 2 nights before hand. Some things I remembered from the scanner, but at many times it was crazy-stuff happening so fast

that night especially there was many many calls of people walking around with long guns. There were some calls with people with hand guns, but there were lots of people with long guns. They checked on a few-some were walking down the street and some were protecting businesses.

There were also calls of both fireworks and shots fired. And they sometime have trouble when somebody reports shots fired or the shot spotter goes off, they don't know right away which one it is. They were letting a lot of calls go and not responding to them.

there was a police presence right down the street from where the shooting happened. It seemed like they were trying to establish a line to hold back protesters.

In the area where the shooting happened, the police said earlier that they had live streaming video of the people by the car lot and they were tracking some people walking with long guns (quite a few calls) and there was one or two check out somebody with handguns. They said a couple times that they had a good vantage point on some of the activity from the roof to take video.



It was sort of confusing. there was 2 different shooting scenes-one where two people were shot was out in the street. the first shooting was on the side of a car lot i believe. there had been a couple calls earlier that someone was trying to set cars on fire in a car lot. I am not sure if this was the same car lot or if that was what started

After the first shooting, there was police calls that there was a shooting and the shooter was running away and then another call of a shooting came in and by the time the police moved to either shooting-the first shooting victim and the second one in the street were loaded into private vehicles and taken to the hospital and the third that they said was a walk in to the hospital so there was no victim at either of the scenes.

I personally think that when one of these events occurs, the community gets flooded from left and right outsiders, creating more chaos.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020...als/5628076002/



The shooting of Jacob Blake on Sunday by Kenosha Police happened quickly, with less than three minutes elapsing between the time the first officer arrived and shots being fired, according to dispatch audio.

Here is a timeline of the shooting pieced together from police radio transmissions, Kenosha police, video and witnesses. The police radio traffic is from Broadcastify, a platform for streaming live audio of public safety, aircraft, rail and marine-related communications.



The Journal Sentinel typically does not rely on such radio traffic to report on breaking news, as the information can change or be inaccurate. But this audio reveals some of what police officers were hearing, and the time stamps of the call provide a general time frame of the shooting.


Police have not released an account of what happened. Kenosha police officers are not equipped with body cameras. Officers have dashboard cameras in their squad cars but authorities did not say if any part of the shooting had been captured on those cameras.

The incident is being investigated by the Wisconsin Department of Justice's Division of Criminal Investigation, which has said it will attempt to present its findings to prosecutors within 30 days.


Sometime before 5 p.m.
A neighbor sees Jacob Blake barbecuing outside his apartment at 2805 40th St.

5:11 p.m.
Officers are sent to Blake’s address for a complaint of “family trouble.” A dispatcher notifies officers that a woman called police and said Blake “isn’t supposed to be there and he took the complainant's keys and is refusing to give them back.”

The dispatcher tells officers that there’s an alert for a person wanted for some reason, known in police radio code as a 10-99, at that address. Blake had a warrant issued for his arrest stemming from a domestic case in May.

5:12:07 p.m.
An officer tells the dispatcher he is close but has not yet arrived at the call.

5:13:47 p.m.
One of the officers assigned to the call asks dispatchers for a description of Blake. The dispatcher tells officers that the woman now says Blake is trying to leave. The dispatcher tries to get a description of Blake’s vehicle but she tells officers that the woman has become uncooperative, and the type of vehicle or what state it’s registered in are unknown.

The officer replies that he has arrived at the address.

5:14:28 p.m.
A second officer arrives at the scene.

5:15:37 p.m.
A third officer urgently radios dispatchers asking for more officers. The dispatcher sends three more squads.

Around this time, a bystander shoots a video that shows Blake and two officers scuffling on the ground on the passenger side of a small gray SUV.

Less than two minutes have passed since the first officer arrived.

A different video, this one shot by a neighbor in a second-story apartment across the street, shows this scene from the driver's side: Three officers, two male and one female, have their guns drawn and are behind Blake as he walks from the sidewalk around the front of the SUV.


The two male officers follow Blake closely, aiming their guns at Blake as he opens the SUV driver's side door.

As Blake attempts to enter the SUV, an officer grabs his shirt, then shoots him in the back at close range. Seven gunshots can be heard, followed by the car’s horn as Blake slumps forward. A woman who followed them to the SUV screams.

5:15:50 p.m.
An officer reports "shots fired."

Another officer tells the dispatcher radio traffic should go to a restricted channel so the public cannot hear. The dispatcher asks if all of the police officers are OK.

An officer at the scene tells dispatch: “We need rescue ASAP.”

5:18 p.m.
The dispatcher tells officers Kenosha County Sheriff’s deputies are on their way and the Wisconsin State Patrol is being notified. An outside agency, later identified as the Wisconsin Department of Justice, will handle the investigation.

Additional video shot by bystanders shows police officers working to save Blake’s life as he lies on the ground in a pool of blood. He is loaded into an ambulance, which is driven about eight blocks to Bradford High School. There, a Flight for Life helicopter awaits.

8:03 p.m.
Kenosha police release a brief statement saying Blake, whom they do not name, is in serious condition at Froedtert Hospital in Wauwatosa.

12:18 a.m. Monday
The Department of Justice issues a news release saying the officers involved in the shooting have been placed on administrative leave while the investigation is conducted.

Jordyn Noenning of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this report.

I found another article from the NY Post that goes in to detail the nature of the sexual assault charges against Blake but I won't post or link it because I'm pretty sure the graphic nature of it would be against Board Rules.

Felony Sexual Assault Warrant... violating a Domestic Violence protection order...

Normal, decent people typically think that is a good reason to arrest someone. Blake chose not to surrender peacefully. Blake chose to fight. Blake chose to reach for a deadly weapon in his car, or at the very least he chose to do something that literally everyone knows increases the chances you'll get shot.

So much for "the Talk" huh?

Yeah, did you ever notice that things weren't this bad before Trump was president? You obviously haven't considered cause and effect and endorse four more years of someone at the top stoking the fire.

Biden and Harris have both condemned the violence. Your claim that a very small portion of the extremist left will help you support the extremist right. So you promote four more years of this BS huh?

Just remember, you're now on "The Jews Will Not Replace US!" side.

Where is it substantiated he was "reaching for a deadly weapon in the car"?

All I've seen is that they found a knife in the vehicle. Those two things are mot the same. In 1985 the SCOTUS made a ruling that you can not shoot an unarmed person for fleeing the scene. It's the law.

But ,but the libs are gonna vote for a true racist, misogynist etc, accused by his pandered VP pick, that should make it a better America pfffft. SMFH.

J/C.

No, we are not voting for Trump.

j/c

I know your not not cause you guys are voting for a true systemic racist amongst other things IMHO ,good luck with that.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factc...t-idUSKCN24N30U

Sure. I googled Biden is racist ... found this. If you have something else, please share. Being fully informed is a good thing. Making unfounded and provably false claims, not so much. . . . Next you'll be insinuating Tom Hanks is fleeing to Greece to escape pedophilia charges.

Typical Trumpian logic. Blame the other side for exactly what you are doing.

Stopped watching when he said that the cops went straight from giving orders to shooting him; conveniently leaving out the fact that the cops tried to restrain and use a taser on him.

If you don't even have the facts straight, why would I want to hear your opinion? This goes for most of the sports athletes as well.

Well of course denying unarmed black men are being shot and or killed by the police is so much more realistic.

He still provided no threat.

Why would you shoot an unarmed man?

Chunky word salad!

Are you sure he was unarmed? Have you done any research? Or do you just believe what a comedian tells you to believe?

Facts from USA Today

Facts:

Blake had a knife in his possession. It was found on driver's side floor of the car.

Blake's family said that he did not have a knife in possession; after this was proven false, they said he didn't have it in his hands when he was shot.

Blake admits to having a knife in his possession.

The police union has issued a statement saying Blake had the knife in his hand when he was shot, and that officers told him to drop the knife before he was shot. The AG has not confirmed or denied this statement.

The person that filmed the altercation says he heard police say "Drop the knife!" but says he couldn't see the knife.

Those are the facts. I think any reasonable person can tell from those facts that it is more likely that he had a knife than that he did not have a knife.

If you are saying that he did not have a knife, I guess your logic of what happened is this:

Police arrive at the scene, ready to shoot a black man. The have a hunch that Blake has a knife in his possession, even though this was not told to them by dispatch. They get into an altercation where Blake refuses the officers orders. They then try to subdue Blake with force and a taser. While struggling with the suspect, they yell "Drop the knife!" even though they have no evidence at that point of a knife (because it is in the car), just to help make their case after they shoot him. They allow Blake to go over to the car, then shoot him. Luckily for them, they find a knife in Blake's car (where his 3 kids are seated) and place it on the driver's side floor (because who keeps a knife on the floor with 3 kids in the car?).

Do you really think that is what happened? If not, please tell me what happened, based on the facts that we know.

This is like a teacher disciplining a kid because the teacher would say “well, I felt threatened because he has fists.”

The point is that he went into the car. He didn’t grab for the blade before the officer shot him.

Police need to be defunded until they receive more training in deescalation.

And you are sure he didn't have the blade in his hand how? What evidence do you have? You are 100% sure he did not have the knife in his hand?

You seemed pretty sure he was unarmed before, but now not so sure.

Defund the police? Defund this:

Instead of being a teacher, why not become a cop and tell how you'd react.

Dude was out of the car. He fought. He got tased, twice, and was still able to overcome the cops, run around to his drivers door, grab a gun, and shoot at them.

If you want to have better training defunding the police is not the correct route to go.

Exactly, if I was the cop I would have shot him. These people need to stop resisting arrest. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.