So far, I've heard speakers at the republican convention float all kinds of really crazy theories... Most I think are dismissed by those that have the ability to read..
But for some reason, this whole thing about Biden wanting to defund the police....YIKES.... Not true.
Seems like the more Trump and his supporters accuse Biden of, comes back to exactly what Trump is trying to do.
I think the lies told at the RNC should be brought out....
August 9, 2020 | 6:58pm Enlarge Image Joe Biden REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst/File Photo
Forget Joe Biden’s endless gaffes and remarks he later takes back; just try to figure out where he stands even when he speaks clearly, such as on defunding police.
Thursday, he painted blacks with a broad brush, suggesting they think alike, compared with Hispanics: “Unlike the African-American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes.” Yet he soon retracted that: “In no way did I mean to suggest the African-American community is a monolith.”
OK, fine. He misspoke. Joe is Joe, his campaign says.
Yet his views on #DefundThePolice are different. In a statement last month, his folks insisted: “Biden does not believe that police should be defunded.”
Later, though, asked if money should be “redirected” away from cops, he replied, “Yes, absolutely.” And the charter for his alliance with Bernie Sanders vows to “reinvigorate community policing . . . and make smart investments to incentivize departments to build effective partnerships with social workers and mental-health and substance-use counselors” — which aligns with the #Defunders’ goals.
Yet, then on Wednesday, as a poll showed 81 percent of blacks want as much, or more, police presence, Biden — lo and behold! — called for more funding for cops, to handle the “God-awful problems” they face.
None of these statements was a gaffe. It’s just that even on a subject as vital as cops, Biden wants it both ways. Who knows where he really stands?
You can tell this editorial board had to spin themselves into believing their own BS before posting this article.
Biden does not support defunding. He supports reforming. And yes, those are two different things.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Defunding the police is an asinine idea and doesn't make sense at all. It's what a grade schooler would come up with.
Don't say defund if you want to shift funds, resources to other areas of the city. It's still dumb though. You need more training? More employee screening for policeman? Defunding the police won't help that at all.
Just look at the litany of lies Trump in Trump's RNC speech ... does it matter? Not at all. As for the gaffes and moments when they mis-speak? They both do it, many times, far too often.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
So far, I've heard speakers at the republican convention float all kinds of really crazy theories... Most I think are dismissed by those that have the ability to read..
But for some reason, this whole thing about Biden wanting to defund the police....YIKES.... Not true.
Seems like the more Trump and his supporters accuse Biden of, comes back to exactly what Trump is trying to do.
I think the lies told at the RNC should be brought out....
[quote=Damanshot] I hope that is correct. My feeling is if Biden gets elected, the far left wing of the party is going to lean on him hard.
If Biden is elected, the country will be exactly as liberal as Joe Manchin wants it to be...
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
So far, I've heard speakers at the republican convention float all kinds of really crazy theories... Most I think are dismissed by those that have the ability to read..
But for some reason, this whole thing about Biden wanting to defund the police....YIKES.... Not true.
Seems like the more Trump and his supporters accuse Biden of, comes back to exactly what Trump is trying to do.
I think the lies told at the RNC should be brought out....
I hope that is correct. My feeling is if Biden gets elected, the far left wing of the party is going to lean on him hard.
I agree. And why wouldn't they? They have support and they make up a bonafide - if small - part of the Democratic base and they are disproportionately loud. That doesn't mean that the Democratic party is going to cave in and become the party of AOC no matter what Trump, Fox and Breitbart wants to tell us. To heal we need to engage and compromise more not be driven to the extremes. . . . I'm no Biden fan but I think he's very much center and unlikely to transform into Bernie 2.0
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Thanks fish. I think that information debunks the message that some of our posters continually force down our throats and suggests that many blacks are more concerned w/the criminal element in their neighborhoods than the police.
The "81 percent want as much, or more, police presence" is true - but a little bit cherry picked.
Only 20% of Black Americans want more police presence, 19% want less police presence, and 60% want it to remain the same. (So really there are equal numbers who want it increased and decreased).
For white americans, 17% want police presence increased, 71% want it to remain the same, and 12% want it decreased.
The 81% number is cherry picked to make it sound like many more black Americans want the police presence to be increased, rather than decreased. But really, most Americans (regardless of race), like the status quo.
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"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
This whole thing is crazy. Biden is the most moderate candidate that ran for the nomination. Democrats gave a clear indication of what they wanted when they nominated him. He is NOT for defunding the police.
Let me give you a clue here. Not even the police want to be dealing with the mentally ill. Not even the police want to be dealing with the homeless problem. Not even the police want to try and solve addiction. They are not trained nor are professionals in dealing with these issues.
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make smart investments to incentivize departments to build effective partnerships with social workers and mental-health and substance-use counselors”
None of what is quoted means defunding the police. None of it. What I quoted is something the police would actually like to see happen. In the very county where Nashville is located the sheriff stated that he estimates that nearly 30% of his jail population are mentally ill. He stated that if he weren't burdened with dealing with the mentally ill and homeless his resources could be directed towards real police duties and free up more resources to deal with actual criminal matters.
Sometimes common sense isn't so common these days.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
81% of Black Americans Don't Want Less Police Presence Despite Protests—Some Want More Cops: Poll BY JOCELYN GRZESZCZAK ON 8/5/20 AT 2:08 PM EDT
majority of Black Americans have said they want police presence in their area to either remain the same or increase, despite recent protests over police brutality, according to new polls.
A Gallup poll conducted from June 23 to July 6 surveying more than 36,000 U.S. adults found that 61 percent of Black Americans said they'd like police to spend the same amount of time in their community, while 20 percent answered they'd like to see more police, totaling 81 percent. Just 19 percent of those polled said they wanted police to spend less time in their area.
Black Americans' responses to the question were nearly on par with the national average, in which 67 percent of all U.S. adults said they wanted police presence to remain the same and 19 percent said they wanted it to increase.
The poll's results come amid continuing nationwide protests over police brutality and systemic racism. The rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, which activists founded in 2013, has led the U.S. to its largest collective push for civil rights since the 1960s.
Calls to defund and even abolish entire police departments are popular talking points among BLM activists. Miski Noor, an organizer and activist with Black Visions Collective in Minnesota, recently told WBUR that abolitionists "100 percent" mean they want no more police officers.
On May 30, five days after George Floyd died at the hands of Minneapolis police officers, BLM called for the of defunding police in a statement on its website.
Taking a POLL within days after George Floyd was brutally murdered ...any polls, comments or opinions might be influenced by "emotions"...making the poll numbers a bit inaccurate.
Taking a POLL within days after George Floyd was brutally murdered ...any polls, comments or opinions might be influenced by "emotional opinions".
I don't really get your point? It was a month later -- and it's pretty clear that most people don't want the police removed from their neighborhoods.
The Portland "police-free zone" experiment went...rather poorly.
That being said, there is a lot of good we could do by demilitarizing the police, and moving funds to social interventions that are more likely to help people.
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
So their actual disagreement is with 19% of the black population which Trump says will be taking over the suburbs? They can't seem to comprehend that having people other than the police dealing with the mentally ill, homeless and addiction will mean the police will be spending less resources on those issues and would have zero impact on actual police presence.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
My comment is directed toward the defunding of police...below is the comment addressing defunding.
""On May 30, five days after George Floyd died at the hands of Minneapolis police officers, BLM called for the of defunding police in a statement on its website.""
it's pretty clear that most people don't want the police removed from their neighborhoods.
The Portland "police-free zone" experiment went...rather poorly.
That being said, there is a lot of good we could do by demilitarizing the police, and moving funds to social interventions that are more likely to help people.
Not sure I agree w/the "demilitarizing the police" part, but I agree w/the rest.
I think better funding/staffing for social service programs is a great idea. I brought this up in the Child Sex Trafficking thread, but these agencies are overwhelmed and can't even come close to keeping up w/the number of cases.
I met w/social services numerous times because of things that some of my students were enduring. These are good people, but you could see the frustration and weariness on their faces and body language because of how overwhelmed they were.
It's an obvious attempt to make white people afraid of black people. Using race as a weapon. Hopefully the vast majority of people are smarter than that. But some people seem to be willing to support race baiting with their votes.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
So their actual disagreement is with 19% of the black population which Trump says will be taking over the suburbs? They can't seem to comprehend that having people other than the police dealing with the mentally ill, homeless and addiction will mean the police will be spending less resources on those issues and would have zero impact on actual police presence.
But the details and the reality of what some are advocating for is not as impactful as a saying "THE LEFT WANTS TO DEFUND THE POLICE" ..... it's a lot like the lie that "THE LEFT IS FOR OPEN BORDERS" ..... as usual the details, the facts, don't matter to Trump. He simply echos something that his base will froth at the mouth over.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
So does that mean when several media outlets all report on the same "rumor" or the same "it's reported that" .... that it validates what is being reported on? The Examiner, the federalist and the law officer are all HARD right outlets - I'll go out on a limb and say the 4th probably is too. That doesn't mean the information is automatically not true ... but it sure as heck doesn't mean the info is true. Where is the survey from and who actually carried it out and when? That'd be better information to base the validity of the survey than suggesting that 4 right wing political media outlets referenced it.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
So does that mean when several media outlets all report on the same "rumor" or the same "it's reported that" .... that it validates what is being reported on? The Examiner, the federalist and the law officer are all HARD right outlets - I'll go out on a limb and say the 4th probably is too. That doesn't mean the information is automatically not true ... but it sure as heck doesn't mean the info is true. Where is the survey from and who actually carried it out and when? That'd be better information to base the validity of the survey than suggesting that 4 right wing political media outlets referenced it.
I posted it a few slots above. It's from Gallup. The numbers are being spun a bit by right-wing media, but it isn't fake.
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"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
the problem is that once again, people are misconstruing what black america has been saying for decades.
that poll doesn't shock anybody, or atleast shouldn't if they have been paying attention AT ALL to what black people are saying.
demanding police and criminal justice reform does not mean getting rid of cops. asking for more community policing does not mean getting rid of cops. demanding more training does not mean getting rid of cops. asking for cops to wear body cams across the country does not mean getting rid of cops. asking the government to do more thorough BG checks to make sure white supremacist aren't joining the ranks does not mean getting rid of cops.
yet white america has decided to take all of that to mean "black people don't want police in the communities."
and honestly because of that, we're tired of being nice and trying to explain to white people the same thing over
and over
and over
and over
and over again. so now we just let the woke white people do most of the talking, seeing as its a fact of life that white people will listen to other white people before they listen to minorities.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
Great post ... when I questioned the validity of the survey, it wasn't because I was suggesting the data meant something one way or the other. But if I see someone quoting 3 hard right leaning media outlets (and probably a 4th) as means of trying to validate something, it makes me want to question it and look for validation from somewhere else.
And yes, the manipulation of the 'story' and deflecting to something 'else' is the nature of many right now.
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Exactly why I don't bother with these threads like I used to.
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so now we just let the woke white people do most of the talking, seeing as its a fact of life that white people will listen to other white people before they listen to minorities.
That tactic seems to work almost everywhere but this web address.
There is no evidence showing Biden saying that U.S. taxpayers have an obligation to provide health care for undocumented immigrants, beyond the emergency treatment they are already eligible for under federal law. His proposals for dealing with the issue involve allowing access to a public option, which, under his plan, is not taxpayer subsidized. The evidence addresses what he, or his team, have stated, not with the feasibility of such a plan.
The task force also “recommends extending Affordable Care Act coverage to DACA recipients, [and] allowing undocumented immigrants to purchase unsubsidized coverage in the ACA marketplaces.”
That’s not the same as providing “government health care for all illegal aliens.”
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"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
The moderator asks all of them, raise your hand how many of you would offer something something to illegals.
and A Lot of em, Including Biden! raised his hand.
It was the final democratic primary debate, I think. I watched 3 of them.
"fact check" his people can walk it back, but He answered the question for all the world to see on the debate stage!
That is discussed in the fact checks, read them.
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
He says you have to treat undocumented immigrants who show up at hospitals (that is already the law).
and his plan allows undocumented immigrants to buy into the Health Care Market (but does not give them government subsidies for doing so).
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
But if I see someone quoting 3 hard right leaning media outlets (and probably a 4th) as means of trying to validate something, it makes me want to question it and look for validation from somewhere else.
The poll information was out for all to see...why didn't the left media outlets publish the results...agenda maybe?
But if I see someone quoting 3 hard right leaning media outlets (and probably a 4th) as means of trying to validate something, it makes me want to question it and look for validation from somewhere else.
The poll information was out for all to see...why didn't the left media outlets publish the results...agenda maybe?
Well, they did publish data from the exact same Gallup survey:
These are both stories straight from the same pole, just spun opposite directions.
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
But if I see someone quoting 3 hard right leaning media outlets (and probably a 4th) as means of trying to validate something, it makes me want to question it and look for validation from somewhere else.
The poll information was out for all to see...why didn't the left media outlets publish the results...agenda maybe?
Well, they did publish data from the exact same Gallup survey:
It amazes me how so many black people think the lives of others needs to completely be put on hold and all our concentration be centered around black men being shot by cops.
I think almost all of us despise these shootings.
I think most of us recognize that there are bigger issues facing our nation.
I think many of us are sick of folks shoving the same crap down our throats hundreds of times per day a turnoff, especially considering how they ignore more pressing problems.
You think you are gaining support, but from whom? The folks that will be there long-term? Sorry, your narrative has actually resulted in turning many of your long-term supporters away.
You can call me all the names in the world, but your actions have led me to changing my vote. Trump is a moron, but he is less dangerous to "my family" than the opposition.
You didn't want to work together. You wanted to divide and conquer. Now, deal w/the consequences.
It amazes me how so many black people think the lives of others needs to completely be put on hold and all our concentration be centered around black men being shot by cops.
I think almost all of us despise these shootings.
I think most of us recognize that there are bigger issues facing our nation.
I think many of us are sick of folks shoving the same crap down our throats hundreds of times per day a turnoff, especially considering how they ignore more pressing problems.
You think you are gaining support, but from whom? The folks that will be there long-term? Sorry, your narrative has actually resulted in turning many of your long-term supporters away.
You can call me all the names in the world, but your actions have led me to changing my vote. Trump is a moron, but he is less dangerous to "my family" than the opposition.
You didn't want to work together. You wanted to divide and conquer. Now, deal w/the consequences.
I don't think there are many bigger issues facing this nation than institutional racism. I don't know how to objectively rank such things, but it is very high up the list.
"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:33-34
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