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2s are moving the ball. 1s went 3 and out, including a false start.
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Cribbs loves Keenum. I think he wants him to start over Baker.
Keenum is much faster going through his reads than Baker. Baker still doesn't appear to have any idea of where the play might go after the snap. Only goes through progressions once it is clear his first option is covered, which is often too late.
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Keenum, 2 drives, 2 TDs.
Come on 1s.
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IMO I don't think any of us can draw conclusions about Kevin Stefanski.
You are right in asking that question. The short answer is you use what you have.
Another thing is KS does not have a long enough resume to really know much about him from the standpoint of "his" offense.
The additions of fullbacks and TE's should tell us something though. We have the offensive personnel to do what we want.
My guess is KS is learning from his players in camp what they do best. In the end that is what we will see.
I think it will resemble Shanahan's offense. We will use fullbacks. Hunt and Chubb will catch passes as well as run.
TE's will be highly involved.
The first four games or so will feature short passing routes and quick developing plays. As the OL learns to play as a unit and starts to gel then we will incorporate deeper routes and 3/4 WR sets.
KS seems like a bright guy. I like what I have seen of him so far. But he has a load on his plate and getting this team going is a challenge. Of all the teams in our division we are the one who has the most work to do to get prepared for the start of the season.
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Cribbs loves Keenum. I think he wants him to start over Baker.
Keenum is much faster going through his reads than Baker. Baker still doesn't appear to have any idea of where the play might go after the snap. Only goes through progressions once it is clear his first option is covered, which is often too late. Kennum looks alot better running the offense than Baker, but he's familiar with it. This is why no preseason is going to really hurt teams that have new coaches. I've watched TC quite a bit and two things stand out on offense, Harris is more than servicable at C, Wills does not look like a LT yet. He looks dangerous for our QB
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No disagreements there.
Another observation. Baker still throwing high.
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This practice has completely turned around.
Super fast paced. Lots of 11 on 11.
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yeah i was going to say that too, Baker still can't get the ball down, and he's slow on reads, its like he waits until he's completed his drop before beginning to read the defense
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Cribbs just said it was misconfusion on the interception.
Is that the lack of confusion?
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yeah i was going to say that too, Baker still can't get the ball down, and he's slow on reads, its like he waits until he's completed his drop before beginning to read the defense Yes. This. Keenum drops back and is on to his 2nd and 3rd reads before completing his drop. Baker only comes off his first read after completing his drop and determining his number one option is covered. Keenum is very subtle going through his reads. Baker is not because he's slow going through them.
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D'Ernest, Njoku, and Takitaki with good practices.
Porter Gustin as well.
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I think D'ernest has made hilliard obsolete. We look to have decent depth on the Dline. I can see Tmitch taking and keeping the spot opposite Ward. I think Greedy was on the verge of losing it anyways. Sucks not having preseason to really see these guys live
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To me, TMitch is a mystery. A guy that does nothing but produce every time he steps on the field but is always penciled in as a non-starter (and all the fans want to trade him).
I'm completely fine with TMitch starting over Greedy.
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How is case familiar with KS’s offense ... unless u think KS as the qb coach was secretly teaching case his O on the side ... or are u saying the Pat Shurmer’s O in minni resembles KS’s now ...  Case should be very familiar with KS but not his O ...
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Cribbs just said it was misconfusion on the interception.
Is that the lack of confusion? One would think so. Misconfusion would be a good thing.
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To me, TMitch is a mystery. A guy that does nothing but produce every time he steps on the field but is always penciled in as a non-starter (and all the fans want to trade him).
I'm completely fine with TMitch starting over Greedy. I'd agree with that except I want Greedy to be better - and I think he has the ability to be better. But yes - TMitch plays well whenever he's played.
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I have a question about things often said about Coach Stefanski's offense. First that he uses a lot of multiple tight end sets, and second that he rarely uses 3 wide receiver sets.
But here's the thing, he was OC in Minnesota for 1 year, so when people talk about his tendencies, 2019 is the only year they have to go by. In 2019 his top 2 WR were Adam Thielen and Stefon Diggs. Thielen missed 6 games due to injury, and wasn't 100% in at least some of the 10 games he played. Diggs missed 1 game (which Thielen also missed) and was less than 100% in several of the games he did play.
So my question is, was KS emphasis of TE over WR in 2019 due to offensive philosophy, or a matter of using the tools he had while his top WRs were injured? I have brought this up about a half-dozen times. It annoys me when people say that he loves TEs and use last year's stats as proof. Like you say, he was only the OC for one year and both Diggs and Thielen missed time w/injuries. Additionally, the WRs behind the starters were dog crap. I am not saying that he doesn't love TEs. He might. It's just the evidence is tainted due to the WR situation in Minni.
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Question: Did you post that article to:
--support what I was saying
--dispute what I was saying
--or to prove that the media isn't looking at things deeply enough?
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It's still an opinion piece - but this stands out as a quote from inside the organization: "“I don’t think it hurts to make the head coach happy,” Cook said. “(Stefanski) has a strong affinity for that position. I just think with this selection, (Bryant) just kind of stuck out on our board based on where we had him. Obviously, we want to add talent to the roster, add competition and guys that can produce in the passing game. He kind of checked off a significant number of boxes. That is why it worked out the way it did.”"
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Sure sounds like Keenum had himself a good day
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Yes but I don’t know how many plays. There was a lot of rotating receivers. You can watch it on YouTube. Look for practice 13.
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Sure sounds like Keenum had himself a good day Keenum was more effective at moving the offense than Baker but it also involved a lot of checkdowns. Keenum is much faster at processing than Baker but just doesn't possess the arm talent. We need Baker to process better then the sky is the limit.
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Thanks for the run down ... i didnt see the scrimmage. Keenum is kinda like a poor man’s Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins ... serviceable and one of the better backups, but he does know this system and Baker needs to learn quickly
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HOW IN GODS GOOD NAME DOE HE KNOW THIS SYSTEM?
Thats simply not true ...
KS was his qb coach BUT THEY RAN SHURMUR’S O ...
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I have a question about things often said about Coach Stefanski's offense. First that he uses a lot of multiple tight end sets, and second that he rarely uses 3 wide receiver sets.
But here's the thing, he was OC in Minnesota for 1 year, so when people talk about his tendencies, 2019 is the only year they have to go by. In 2019 his top 2 WR were Adam Thielen and Stefon Diggs. Thielen missed 6 games due to injury, and wasn't 100% in at least some of the 10 games he played. Diggs missed 1 game (which Thielen also missed) and was less than 100% in several of the games he did play.
So my question is, was KS emphasis of TE over WR in 2019 due to offensive philosophy, or a matter of using the tools he had while his top WRs were injured? Great Question. I think if you look at how they attacked building up the TE room, it's an indication that it might be a TE reliant Offense. But still,, Great question.
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Just watched Bakers 70 yard drive after Keenum's long TD drive. Looked good but less drop and pass like Keenum and Baker seemed to hit longer routes and looked sharp.
Defense without our starting DL and also many injuries did not look sharp. Our CBs looked good especially Ward, Taki Taki looks to be the real deal.
Hunt and our FB looks pretty good.
Keenum most definitely looks comfortable in the O but too many short passes...takes more plays to make 75 yard drives for TD. Which means more chances of failure.
But if something happens to Baker we are in good hands I think. Can't wait for Baker to become comfortable in this O...which as any knows will take time. Wish he had this O his rookie season as well as 2nd season...shame.
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A great question indeed. Certain of my reason but no certainty it was his decision made consciously. Our buildout of TEs may be some insurance for the offense and Mayfield. KS likes TEs. It may help the run. But we are not certain about the ground game, and we have not seen how a rookie-heavy line will hold up early. The TE routes and mismatches for quicker patterns may be the most compelling mismatches we can create with personnel and formation. The WR won't be neglected with routes, but will take longer by comparison with some of the changes in Mayfield.
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HOW IN GODS GOOD NAME DOE HE KNOW THIS SYSTEM?
Thats simply not true ...
KS was his qb coach BUT THEY RAN SHURMUR’S O ...
Y’all need to pay attention ... sheesh ..
Perhaps it's better to say he's more familiar with the route concepts and combinations. Or he knows the things that make up the system. Plus, he has more experience reading defenses and knowing how both sides of that fit together. He's been around a while and seen most everything enough to have a decent familiarity. Unfortunately, he's not the most physically talented.
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not to mention theres quite a bit of Shurmurs offense in Stefanski's arsenal, He used it alot last year. Heavy run to help QB, Shurmur runs alot more 11 than we probably will, Thats KS wrinkle, but noone knows if that was out of necessity or that's his base offense. Shurmur's offense changed wherever he went based on personnel, but I think what we are going to run will have enough of his WCO principles that a guy like Keenum will be ahead of a guy like Baker at this point of the install. It def. looks that way. For those complaining about short yardage plays, have you ever seen NE play? They live off the short-intermediate yardage type plays and we have some good players that will make that work, guys like Landry, hunt, Hooper. Depending on the line I could see KS use alot of the Walsh Slant-Flat scheme, and use those RB's and TE's in quick hitters. I think offense will be ok after a few weeks.
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Last year the Vikes brought in Kubiak to help with the O ... Kubiak had a major influence on last years O in Minni ... they didn’t bring him in to be a figure head ... And the year before Zimm fired the dude from here cause he ran to much ... of course Kev ran a lot HE HAD NO CHOICE ... *L* .. I fully expect to run a lot here for multiple reasons including the fact he has what should be a better run blocking OL than pass blocking and we have Chubb and Hunt ... Your reaching big time trying to make the connection between what Kev did last year and any connection to SHURMUR’S O ... nice try ... *L* ... Bull ... Case does have more experience ... no doubt ... thats a different subject than the BS that Case is familiar with Kev’s O ... The overall experience and Case’s familiarity with Kev and what he wants and his demeanor are very good things and won’t hurt ... but saying Case is familiar with Kev’s O is complete and utter bs ... at anyone that suggests Case’s familiarity with SHURMUR’S O somehow helps with what Kev will do here or did last year ... I really hope he takes a lot of Kubiak’s concepts and uses them here .... I think Kubiak is very underrated as an Offensive mind ... the year he got out of Matt Sichuab was incredible .. he’s also been a major influence on the dude i think has the greatest O mind in football today ... one Kyle Shanny ...
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Last year the Vikes brought in Kubiak to help with the O ... Kubiak had a major influence on last years O in Minni ... they didn’t bring him in to be a figure head ... And the year before Zimm fired the dude from here cause he ran to much ... of course Kev ran a lot HE HAD NO CHOICE ... *L* .. I fully expect to run a lot here for multiple reasons including the fact he has what should be a better run blocking OL than pass blocking and we have Chubb and Hunt ... Your reaching big time trying to make the connection between what Kev did last year and any connection to SHURMUR’S O ... nice try ... *L* ... Bull ... Case does have more experience ... no doubt ... thats a different subject than the BS that Case is familiar with Kev’s O ... The overall experience and Case’s familiarity with Kev and what he wants and his demeanor are very good things and won’t hurt ... but saying Case is familiar with Kev’s O is complete and utter bs ... at anyone that suggests Case’s familiarity with SHURMUR’S O somehow helps with what Kev will do here or did last year ... I really hope he takes a lot of Kubiak’s concepts and uses them here .... I think Kubiak is very underrated as an Offensive mind ... the year he got out of Matt Sichuab was incredible .. he’s also been a major influence on the dude i think has the greatest O mind in football today ... one Kyle Shanny ... kinda pointless to talk to you. so I won't.. You're extremely clueless, but a legend in your own mind. Comprehension def. not something you're strong at. You're just whining because by all accounts Keenum>Baker and that doesn't fit your bromance and as I said, Stefanski ran quite a bit of Shurmur's offense https://www.dailynorseman.com/2018/12/21...nnesota-vikings
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In the end KS and AVP will run this years offense by what they have in personnel here and their strengths.
Because of limited practice and actual face time on the field. KS and AVP are learning what this team can do very late in camp.
IMO for the first month they will run a lot. Using the strength of RT Conklin as a run blocker along with Chubb and Hunt.
In addition they will be forced to bring Wills along until he gets some time under his belt. So they will cover for him with chips and play calls.
After a month or when KS believes they can do more. Then they will add more to the play book as the offense gains experience playing together.
The past is gone and so are the Vikings. KS and AVP will try to develop their own identity based upon what this team does best.
They have made an effort to bring in TE's and fullbacks. I expect them to be used.
Conklin is a great run blocker and a huge upgrade over Hubbard. Hunt and Chubb are complete backs who can catch, run and block. Fullbacks will lead the way.
TE's will catch passes. In the end I see a version of the WCO.
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Naaaa .... not true ... just ask lead casue he found and article from some beat writer ... Were headed for Pat Shurmur version 2 cause against the fish in game 1 Kev ran unbalanced lines like Pat did on the first series ... ... Kubiak had zero influence and was in fact brought in too learn SHURMUR’S O from Kev ... just ask lead ... Pat’s got this ...  leadMy bromance ... with who ... that makes no sense ... I’m a legend in my own mind ... ... u don’t know me at all ,,, one of us is talking out his butt and connecting dots that don’t exist ...
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And the year before Zimm fired the dude from here cause he ran to much ... of course Kev ran a lot HE HAD NO CHOICE ... *L*
I thought he was fired because he didn’t run enough?
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Good catch dawg ... ty sir ....
That was an illogical post ... 0 + 0 did not = 0 in my post ... *L* ...
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