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Okay. I have no problem w/you believing that. I hope you understand that there are those of us who despise the shootings, but think there are much bigger issues?

Not being black may influence that. If you had to give your children "the talk" and you actually feared being harmed or killed by the police when you went out in public, I'm pretty sure your opinion would change.

But presenting the opinion that a lot of white people really don't give a damn and think there's far more important things is the perfect example of why they must keep the cause going until changes actually happen.

My opinion on getting Biden/Trump or anyone else's opinion on defunding police is this:

Police are locally funded. Unless you are 1 out of the 40K people that live in my city and pay the taxes that fund our police and local services, then you don't get a say in how we budget our tax money.

Local services expenditures are raised/lowered in cities every year for a variety of reasons. There is no universal truth on whether police should have more or less funding.

I don't care if you are president, a journalist, an NBA star, or a protester. If you don't live in my city, then you should mind your own business, and if people from outside of my city started holding protests and marches in my city to demand local changes with how the local tax money is spent, I would be pretty irritated about it.

The "Defund Police" movement is specifically pushing for local action -- they aren't trying to force Biden/Trump to do anything -- and neither Biden or Trump are planning on doing anything.

I think Biden/Trump are both asked their opinions on the matter, because they are running for the top position in the country, and this is an important issue across the nation at the moment.

Exactly - and while Trump and his supporters might falsely claim that defunding means some sort of lawless, police-less society... scare tactics from Trump - whudda thunk? ... what they are talking about is reducing the Police work load so they are not called into issues that would be better resolved/handled by other types of professionals. It's been discussed many times but the point is still lost on some or deliberately omitted by others. As to S003apr's point ... local decision making is the intent.

It’s trump’s America. It’s not working. And oh yeah..it’s Biden’s fault.

at least he was more eloquent in that one.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1300505836511522817

How encouraging that the guy who wants to be our leader is finally playing catch up to common sense and the right thing to say about crime and violence.

Says the mouthpiece that chants for trump... the man that has told his followers to beat up rally attendees and he’ll pay their lawyer fees. (amongst other calls to violence over the years)
I see why you like trump. He’s a fraud. Birds of a feather and all.

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https://twitter.com/realjameswoods/statu...sUs5grXf2_8FGp8

I don't know Ben Johnson. I have no proof this is a trump supporter, being bricked by a blm person.

common sense is something our current Pos leader has never caught up to.

How are you feeling on that wager for the election, 40?

Why do you feel the need to wager a ban? Would it make you happy? Say hidenbiden wins, would it make you happy to have someone you disagree with gone from the board?

I thought you were all about acceptance, and learning from others?

As I said when challenged in 2016, I am not a betting man.

Therefore...

Take the win and ban yourself already.

Just imagine all those fine, Liberal folks living in your city who can't come out for groceries because the Left is rioting and destroying everything. The Cops can't even come if they are attacked.

I welcome those new Trump supporters you are sending our way.

I am 100% sure that coronavirus is the primary thing that is preventing people in this country from going to grocery stores at the moment.

You would be 50 percent wrong.

Are you just being difficult?

Or do you actually think that a larger number of people -- across the entire nation -- are being prevented from going to the grocery store due to protests (which are mostly happening in small parts of two cities) -- than due to the pandemic which is killing ~1000 people a day?

As Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and running mate Sen. Kamala Harris have ramped up their condemnation of violence gripping some American cities, allies of President Trump are challenging their sincerity, citing support by a number of Biden staffers and Harris herself for a group that helped bail out Minneapolis protesters.


"Sorry @JoeBiden, but you can't claim to oppose riots and crime when your campaign is literally on the record bailing violent rioters out of jail!!! #BidenRiots," Donald Trump Jr. tweeted.

“As predicted, Joe Biden today failed to condemn the left-wing mobs burning, looting, and terrorizing American cities," Trump campaign Communications Director Tim Murtaugh said in a statement, after Biden used a speech in Pittsburgh to denounce rioters and looters, as well as accuse Trump of fueling the tensions. "He failed to apologize for his campaign staff donating to a fund which bailed violent criminals out of jail in Minneapolis."

So Trump fans the flames 7 days a week, but Joe is in trouble over riots? Hysterical. LIES, LIES, LIES, and more LIES.

Maybe they'll try, but Joe has proven over the years to really be a moderate. I don't that the leopard is going to change his spots..

You can spin it anyway you want.. but bottom line, Donald Trump is the President of the United States at a time when Rioting and racial unrest are at all time highs.. (or close)

This is Trumps America. He created it. He wanted division because he can't win without it.

it's funny also that when he runs an ad depicted rioting and looting etc, it's in Trumps America.

This is Trumps legacy... He wants us to re-elect him so that he can fix the mess he caused... Please.. That's just idiotic.

You gotta be a moron to buy into Trump today...

He didn't create it.

The riots are a planned effort to interfere with the election.


You people are useless.

Please explain - how are riots in Portland supposed to help Biden win the election?

This is Trump's latest conspiracy theory ... because, you know, nothing is his fault and his always a victim. It's nauseating and it's sad to see people buy in.

Trump is claiming the 'Protesters' ... I am not even sure if he qualified it as the rioters / looters .... are organized with the specific purpose of preventing his re-election. Just like Coronvirus is being falsely exaggerated to crush the economy and prevent him winning the election also. Just like the (safe) mail in balloting is a plot to prevent him being elected 2nd term ....

I've said it dozens of times, as have many others, and it makes no difference to what the Trump supporters want to claim. But the rioters and looters need to be apprehended and prosecuted. They aren't "protesters" they are opportunistic thugs. They have done more to help Trump potentially win the next election as anything out there.

https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2020/06/01/george-floyd-protests-steve-almond

I think I would like to understand what Ballpeen thinks...

Then you are going to need an all star psychology team and a few decades of in depth study pre and post mortem. Even then you will probably get an incomprehensible conclusion.

The "defund the police" movement is pushing for national change. There is no acknowledgement that policing problems may exist at a local level within only certain cities. At least not that I have seen. BLM has been condemning policing in the U.S. across the country, not on a city by city basis. Local action is necessitated by the way in which we fund police. There is also no evidence that the voices of the movement broadly represent the members of the community in which they are protesting.

Is it helpful for individuals living outside of a municipality, to demand changes in those municipalities having no idea what the current budget looks like for police, fire, and other services that the city funds?

I understand why celebrities, journalists, and politicians are asked their opinion. It leads to clicks. But it is time for people to ignore the clickbait and focus on their own responsibilities within their own communities. It is say past time for a little introspection in this country and a realization that we get the police forces that we deserve, because we elect the mayor, city council, prosecutors, and judges that are responsible for working with the police, staffing the police, and setting training requirements for the police.

If people want to cut funding for police, they should start in their own cities where they vote and pay taxes. Will any rich athletes take action to push for defunding the police where they live? Will any politicians be willing to live in an area with a lesser police presence? I doubt it, but we will see.

You are incorrect. We live in a federalist system - and thus there is a significant difference between "pushing for local changes in all localities across a nation" and "pushing for federal changes".

BLM is very clearly doing the first - they are arguing for changes in local police funding, they want specific local police chiefs to be fired, etc.

Over the years, you've said (written) some of the dumbest things I've ever read... Like the time that the economy was falling to pieces in Feb 2009.

You decided that it was all Obamas fault because he's the guy in office so it's his responsibility. You completely ignored the fact that Bush drove the car into a ditch....

Now you don't want "Your Child President" to be to blame for riots in the street,,,

I really wish you wouldn't be so hypocritical.

There is no way that you get Trump out of the responsibility for the mess this country has become under his watch.

He is responsible,,, Just like when you said Obama was responsible.... The difference, you gave Obama all the blame when he was in office for less than 30 days... At least I give trump the blame after almost 4 years..

I know I'm right.

Lol I remember when the right claimed the migrant caravan was there to interfere in 2018.

True, but you can get him out of the way for the 'cleanup' that will start in January 2021...

What would they have without conspiracies?

Biden has always been a law and order guy. Somehow they think they can rewrite the history of who Biden is. Sadly there are many among them who believe that BS. As Tom Petty said, "You believe what you wanna believe".

Fixed it for you.

I think the promoting fear thing depends on the topic and the side.

For awhile CNN was publishing daily reports on the completely healthy 30 year old who barely made it out of the hospital with Covid. Fox was reporting on the 90 year old senior citizen with Covid who came out the other side unscathed. I find it all humorous.

But what's really scary is the lack of awareness from both sides that they are being brainwashed. It's funny when one side accuses the other of being brainwashed.

The "Left" and the "Left Media" is absolutely guilty of marketing negative news about Trump and the administration. But it is different. It's not a campaign of fear so much as overly negative manipulation of the news agenda.

I will say - Trump and Trump's administration has provided so much substance for them to gnaw on. Folks / Fox railed against Obama with manufactured controversy ... there is a lot more real controversy with Trump. But yes - the 'Left Media' do it to death.

New cable news program is set to premiere tonight on WGN America. Aims to present news as completely unbiased and opinion free.

I certainly think there is a large market of viewers for it.....we'll just have to see how true it ends up being.