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There's a lot of good advice in this thread.

Personally I have usually 2 handguns "ready to go" for when I'm at home. The first is my duty weapon (Smith and Wesson M&P .45) and my off duty gun (Smith and Wesson M&P Shield 9mm). My Shield wasn't issued or anything. I went with it because a) it functions the same as my duty weapon and b) it was reasonably priced at the time I got it. I really like the Shield.

I don't know if what I roll with is any better or worse than any of the other suggestions made.

I would like to add a comment about ammo. Provided you can find it... tell them what your purpose for the ammo is. We used to live in a row of townhomes and I was buying ammo for a .38 I have. Given my proximity to other people, I wanted something that had that initial penetration to do the job, but also something that wouldn't travel through the walls of 4 other homes. There are some good options out there that they can steer you to.


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Would you recommend hollow-points?

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I do. The expanding nose increases damage, and on any missed shot, the expanding nose slows the round down down, giving it less chance to punch through walls and siding, and again to go though a neighboring structure.

It will also cause the round to tumble, slowing it down.


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Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
For emergency protection, and if you don't practice and train regularly, I would recommend a revolver.

A semi-auto can jam, and in the heat of panic with adrenaline, one needs to prepared to deal with it. A revolver just moves on to the next chamber and bang.


I am also a wheel gun man. Simple, safe, gets the job done.
I do have the laser as it allows me to focus on the soon to be victim with both eyes. The bullet is going where the dot is.

As for home defense, we have armed security so I will most likely be awakened by gunshots outside and people dying.

But, for times when 'the crap hits the fan', I will rely on the hand of god. thumbsup


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M61 costs around $300,000. Each round of ammo costs $27, which means it costs around $3000 to fire it for a second, or $180,000 to fire it continuously for 1 minute. In other words, get real. These are sold almost exclusively for military aircraft. Only the US government can afford to waste that kind of money because, as we all know, money grows on trees in Washington DC.

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I think he shoots it off-hand too.


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Would you recommend hollow-points?


I have thoughts on that, but I won't put those thoughts out in public.

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I'd appreciate if posts about politics stayed in the political forum.

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I see that your sense of humor is even further up your ass than your head is.

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Originally Posted By: Dave
I see that your sense of humor is even further up your ass than your head is.


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j/c:

Man, it's amazing how many guns and ammo are "out of stock."

Has that always the case no matter the year?

If not, why do you guys think that so many guns are being bought this year?

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Gun sales went through the roof when the pandemic first hit. People were panicking. Same with hoarding groceries.

Maybe the inventory hasn't got caught up yet.

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Makes sense.

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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Gun sales went through the roof when the pandemic first hit. People were panicking. Same with hoarding groceries.

Maybe the inventory hasn't got caught up yet.


It got even worse with the civil unrest. Then with Biden wanting new gun laws. You can still find guns/ammo online.

My friend just bought a couple new guns locally. Just gotta shop around.


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Yeah, I decided to purchase more ammo and another gun due to the civil unrest. I am not afraid of BLM or Antifa invading my neighborhood like one poster asked, but I do think that lawlessness is a possibility given the current political and economic climate.

Btw---I heard that Biden wants to ban online sales of guns and make "smart guns" mandatory. I strongly oppose both measures.

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“Smart Guns”??? What are these?

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“Smart Guns”??? What are these?


Something not smart. A gun with a chip in it and will only work if you wear a watch that matches it.

When your house is being invaded, please be sure to put on your watch so you can fire your gun. Dumb.


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Here's an auction site I've browsed for years. The next auction starts(I believe) Sept 7th.

Click on Auctions and then Past auctions to get an idea. I bid on/won a small Italian made 380 quite a while ago. Picked it up at their storefront in Burton Oh right on Burton Square. They also have a storefront in another state.

https://auctions.thegunrunner.com/


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“Smart Guns”??? What are these?


Something not smart. A gun with a chip in it and will only work if you wear a watch that matches it.

When your house is being invaded, please be sure to put on your watch so you can fire your gun. Dumb.

But Eve, this will protect you from being shot with your own gun! Why not take the extra measures? If you opt for the one with the sensor in the boot, you can get a head-start running!


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You'll also have to remember where the key is to the gun lock, and the where the other key is to get the ammo that has to be stored in a separate location. Don't worry, they're trying to pass legislation for it to be mandatory that criminals must knock and give you 5 minutes to get ready before they enter your home.


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Situation: I have been a proponent of working together and uniting as a country. That doesn't look to be happening. The Civil unrest is very high and demands backed by threats of "...by whatever means necessary" leads me to believe the threat is real.


Claiming you didn't want a political crap storm yet starting the thread out this way is simply false, to put it mildly. If that's not what you wanted, you didn't have to post this. You could have simply left this part out. You knew what you were doing.

But anyway....

Erik mentioned a Glock 19. Some people prefer a very light gun. So if that's your preference this is a good way to go. On a personal level, I like a heavier handgun. I also think a heavier handgun would be best for your wife.

The reason being, the recoil is less from a heavier handgun. A lot of people refer tho that as "kick or kick back". The lighter gun doesn't have the weight to prevent it from kicking back as much as a heavier gun would.

For someone proficient with hand guns that really doesn't matter all that much. It's just a matter of preference. But for someone not proficient with hand guns it makes firing multiple round with greater accuracy easier. Less kick back means you don't have as far to to move the gun back to a position of getting off your next accurate shot. Meaning you can get off multiple accurate shots quicker.

I think everyone has the right to protect their home. I do however find falling for all of the fear mongering as motivation means people are being fooled by rhetoric.


I don't know if you've fired a glock 19, but the action is very smooth with very little kick. I've fired .357 snub and long barrel, .50 desert eagle, .40 taurus, .22, .308 kal tec, and a couple other 9mils, and I've never fired a gun as smooth as my glock.


My son has a Glock 19c. Talk about smooth action, and little kickback, that thing is easy to be accurate and fast.


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I’m arming up among other things ... talked to two attorney friends over the weekend ... the laws in NY are f’ng insane ...

Someone breaks into my house ... i can’t shoot them just for that .. i have to wait until they actually threaten me with a weapon ... i have to see the weapon ....

I was told to buy HD recorders to put on my shotgun and rifle (rifles low impact for my wife) and make sure I say as soon as I see them in the house and to make sure i say it clear and audible that I am armed and will shoot them unless they have a drawn weapon ...

What a crock ... i can’t wait to move out of this crap ass liberal state as soon as i can ... stupid wife ... *L* ...




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Originally Posted By: DevilDawg2847


Personally I have usually 2 handguns "ready to go" for when I'm at home. The first is my duty weapon (Smith and Wesson M&P .45) and my off duty gun (Smith and Wesson M&P Shield 9mm). My Shield wasn't issued or anything. I went with it because a) it functions the same as my duty weapon and b) it was reasonably priced at the time I got it. I really like the Shield.


+1 on the M&P Shield 9mm. Very good and sleek one, easy to carry.

I also have a little .380 pocket size to bring with me and quick little trips.


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Btw: Since I already have three shotguns and expensive SW 629, I really don't want to spend any more than the $600 to $650 costs of the guns I listed. I wouldn't mind spending less, but I want a reliable and accurate gun w/good sights.


They're all about the same price and they all go 'Bang!'.
Honestly, after that, it comes down to how you and the wife feel about shooting them. Find a range and put them in your hands and see which ones you both like the most.

That aside, I might lean toward CZ, and I might lean toward their less expensive offerings rather than spending $600. In general, they make some really nice shooters.

Additionally, going on the assumption that your wife's hands are probably a good bit smaller than yours, I would strongly consider adding some compact models to the list to evaluate. Something designed for concealed carry. The smaller size will likely fit her hand better.


All of that being what it is, like Frenchy pointed out, 9mm is difficult to come by. A single stack 45ACP might be a bit easier to get ammo for, and you'd be surprised by how smoothly many modern 45s shoot. Feed it 180gr flat heads and your ballistics will be very comparable to your standard 9mm rounds, but it will pack almost 50% more energy and make a bigger hole.


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Personally I have usually 2 handguns "ready to go" for when I'm at home. The first is my duty weapon (Smith and Wesson M&P .45) and my off duty gun (Smith and Wesson M&P Shield 9mm). My Shield wasn't issued or anything. I went with it because a) it functions the same as my duty weapon and b) it was reasonably priced at the time I got it. I really like the Shield.


+1 on the M&P Shield 9mm. Very good and sleek one, easy to carry.

I also have a little .380 pocket size to bring with me and quick little trips.


I'd also give a vote for the M&P Shield 2.0 in 9mm.
I would also a HUGE vote to the Springfield XD Mod 2.0 in 9mm.
I have the Springfield in 45ACP and it it every bit the tack driver that the M&P Shield 2.0 is and comes with high-vis "combat" sights which make it easier to get a shot lined up in low-light environments.


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I was on a mission last year in search of the best summer carry pistol, that fit me and my needs. I read, talked with friends, watched YouTube reviews and shot, reshot and reshot again. Quick jump to the end, I have a Glock 43 (custom stippled frame - in blue camo, apex trigger, tfx pro tritium sights, Hyve mag extensions (+1 & +2) and a perfect Tier 1 IWB holster).

I looked at others:

P365
P365 XL
Shield
Shield 2.0
PPS M2
43X (but it was only just released)

The P365 ended up being the 2nd best fit, but I couldn’t stand the trigger and it was so snappy. That’s expected due to the size. I wanted something concealable, shootable and upgradeable. The G43 was all that, minus points for low ammo capacity, but I carry a 2nd mag.

I think the best carry option, if you can conceal something a bit taller than a G43, is the G43X with the Shield Arms 15-round mag. Best of everything, but maybe a tad tall.

That’s my summer carry, I f anyone cares, I can breakdown my other non-summer.


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I have the P938 for EDC. Son has the Glock 43, wife has a SW 442

Got the wife a P238 I bought her in Pink, but she prefers her 442 for EDC.

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You know it’s an extension of your manhood. Go big or don’t go at all.


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You know it’s an extension of your manhood. Go big or don’t go at all.


A common pitfall and misconception.... if it doesn't fit your hand, and even feel comfortable in your off-hand, it's not going to be as useful as it could be.


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It's a nice tool to have in the event someone else tries to use the "extension of their manhood" on you. Pretending you may never need a gun to protect you or your family is where you fall short.


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Just like fire or flood insurance.... you hope you never need it, and statistically speaking most people never will need it, but in the event you do need it you're glad you paid for it.


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I highly recommend the Beretta 92....IF you have decent sized hands. The grip is thick and not conducive for little hands....even worse is the reach for the trigger....highly advise a woman holding a 92 before blindly buying....also any 92 should be converted ASAP to a G series which is a decocker only...the FS safety is difficult to manipulate even with big hands.

I also recommend the Beretta PX4 Storm. It has a set of adjustable backstraps that can accommodate smaller hands. Still a beefy gun and the rotating barrel aids in dissipating recoil.

But you need ammo and at 65 cents a round, a new gun owner won't practice much.

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Sounds like very good advice. Thanks.

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I highly recommend the Beretta 92....IF you have decent sized hands. The grip is thick and not conducive for little hands....even worse is the reach for the trigger....highly advise a woman holding a 92 before blindly buying....also any 92 should be converted ASAP to a G series which is a decocker only...the FS safety is difficult to manipulate even with big hands.

I also recommend the Beretta PX4 Storm. It has a set of adjustable backstraps that can accommodate smaller hands. Still a beefy gun and the rotating barrel aids in dissipating recoil.

But you need ammo and at 65 cents a round, a new gun owner won't practice much.


I had to laugh because you recommend a gun, and then go through a list of things bad about it. smile Complete opposite of the typical recommendation.


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But you need ammo and at 65 cents a round, a new gun owner won't practice much.


The Great Primer Shortage of 2020.

Even reloaders can't get ammo unless they have a stockpile of primers.


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Update.

I'm having a hard time finding any of the guns I like in stock.

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nice to see your still kicking. if for the wife that dont like guns nothing wrong with a 22. get a target model and take her shooting she might have fun.


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