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I was wondering if there were ties to the number of Homeless people in Red vs Blue states. I also wondered if cities that were Red or Blue experienced more crime, but I think that answer is pretty obvious. Anyway, here are the 10 states that have the most homeless people according to this site: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/homeless-population-by-state California (151,278) New York (92,091) Florida (28,328) Texas (25,848) Washington (21,577) Massachusetts (18,471) Oregon (15,876) Pennsylvania (13,199) Georgia (10,443) Ohio (10,345) Site that lists states as Red, Blue, or in between: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_statesCalifornia has about 20% of the total homeless population. That is incredible. Democratic state. New York is second and most reside in the NYC. Another Democratic stronghold. Florida is 3rd. "States carried by each party twice in the four elections" I'm guessing this is a swing state and weather is a big factor. Texas is 4th. Red state. Washington is 5th. Blue state. Massachusetts: Another Blue state. Oregon: Yet another Blue state. Pennsylvania: Voted for Dems in 3 of past 4 elections. Georgia: Red state. Ohio: Voted 2 times each for Dems and Republicans in the past 4 elections. I was going to do crime rates for cities and states and their political persuasion, but it was taking too long. I do get that big cities tend to be Blue and that there is more crime there due to poverty levels, but once again, there is more crime in Blue cities/states. Thus, while a lot of folks do their best to either trash Trump or Biden, I an not voting for either man..........but, I have decided to make a switch from a life-long Democrat and vote against that party. I am doing so because I don't think they represent the best interests of honest working folks like myself, my family, and most of the people who are in my circle. The Democratic party has turned its back on the hard-working folks that it used to support and are supporting criminals to some extent and backing policies that reward shiftlessness, laziness, and entitlement at the cost of the middle class.
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The democrats have turned their back on white voters, I noticed the democratic national convention had almost nothing, in 4 days to offer White American Voters except that they should admit they are all racists, and White Male voters especially.
But I do want to debunk one the assertions of your post above, Homelessness per state (Or Challenge it).
So it may be that they are democrat states, but last week I studied the electoral college map and they give the most electoral votes to the states which the census gives the most population to, and it stands out reading your post right away that the democratic states you are citing that have the most homeless, or "ANY" states you are citing that have the most homeless, are the states with the largest amounts of electoral votes, so they must be the states with the most population. Ohio, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Texas, Florida, New York and California
I think it's notable that Illinois is Not in there, and Illinois is a democratic leaning state.
Ok, I'm not "debunking" your idea, as much as meaning to challenge that the size of the population of the state needs to be included in reaching this conclusion of Democratic leaning state tends towards more homelessness. I also think Florida, and California's, warm weather, beach destination, status needs considered.
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That's a good point about those states having larger populations. I wasn't trying to deceive anyone. But, you make a good point.
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I don't like to be unfair and Throw made a good point. Here are the population rankings of each of those states.
California 1st New York 4th Florida 3rd Texas 2nd) Washington 13th Massachusetts 15th Oregon 27th Pennsylvania 5th Georgia 8th Ohio 7th
So yes, population is a huge factor. However, if we look at it closely, there are still patterns there, especially when we consider states like Texas, Washington, Oregon, and Massachusetts.
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You are really stretching there. First be honest and look at per capita numbers, then try looking at temperature, since homelessness and climate may have linkage.
I could live homeless in Southern California easier than Ohio. It does not take Einstein to figure that out.
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You are really stretching there. First be honest and look at per capita numbers, then try looking at temperature, since homelessness and climate may have linkage.
I could live homeless in Southern California easier than Ohio. It does not take Einstein to figure that out. He mentioned that fact already.
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you mean to tell me that the states with the largest cities and largest populations have the largest homeless population?
no way!! thats just crazy!!!
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Top 10 per capita poverty rate
Here are the 10 states with the highest poverty rates:
Mississippi (20.07%) New Mexico (19.61%) Louisiana (18.84%) Kentucky (17.39%) West Virginia (17.25%) Arkansas (17.06%) Alabama (17.05%) Tennessee (15.73%) Arizona (15.72%) Georgia (15.61%)
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Things change a lot when you factor per capita into it don't they? Perspective is everything. I wonder if education has anything to do with it? The least educated states... 41 Tennessee 42 New Mexico 43 Nevada 44 South Carolina 45 Kentucky 46 Alabama 47 Arkansas 48 Louisiana 49 West Virginia 50 Mississippi https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075/They're certainly not identical but eerily similar in many regards. Eight out of the ten states with the most homeless people per capita are rated in the bottom ten of least educated people in their respective states.
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Top 10 per capita poverty rate
Here are the 10 states with the highest poverty rates:
Mississippi (20.07%) New Mexico (19.61%) Louisiana (18.84%) Kentucky (17.39%) West Virginia (17.25%) Arkansas (17.06%) Alabama (17.05%) Tennessee (15.73%) Arizona (15.72%) Georgia (15.61%) THIS is the only way to try to measure and compare the homeless rates. I think it's a sad issue that should be proactively addressed - trying to paint the problem as a Democratic issue is obviously agenda driven and provably false.
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Didn't you know that we no longer live in the United States anymore? According to Trump and his cronies we now live in Democratic and Republican states. Democratic and Republican cities. So anything that happens in America where people tend to vote blue is no longer represented by Trump and his supporters. According to Trump, none of that is his part of America or his responsibility.
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I don't think it is hard to see why there is more crime and homelessness in certain areas of the country. Of course, larger areas will have more problems w/these issues. Of course, weather is factor. However, states like Massachusetts, Washington, and Oregon do not have favorable climates are not as populated as others. And if people would take the time to actually research the topic instead of insinuating that another poster is fabricating things, they might stumble across how many homeless people migrate to certain areas due to that locations political and social stances. They might also find a correlation to violent crimes and party affiliation. But no, don't do that. Just criticize another poster's character because he doesn't fall in line w/your way of thinking.
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Per capita of the homeless population and how it aligns with education tells the story. You were a teacher. No matter how much twisting you do, you know this.
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A lot of "speculation" based on "opinion"...the end result is BS !!
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I was wondering if there were ties to the number of Homeless people in Red vs Blue states. I also wondered if cities that were Red or Blue experienced more crime, but I think that answer is pretty obvious. Anyway, here are the 10 states that have the most homeless people according to this site: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/homeless-population-by-state California (151,278) New York (92,091) Florida (28,328) Texas (25,848) Washington (21,577) Massachusetts (18,471) Oregon (15,876) Pennsylvania (13,199) Georgia (10,443) Ohio (10,345) Site that lists states as Red, Blue, or in between: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_statesCalifornia has about 20% of the total homeless population. That is incredible. Democratic state. New York is second and most reside in the NYC. Another Democratic stronghold. Florida is 3rd. "States carried by each party twice in the four elections" I'm guessing this is a swing state and weather is a big factor. Texas is 4th. Red state. Washington is 5th. Blue state. Massachusetts: Another Blue state. Oregon: Yet another Blue state. Pennsylvania: Voted for Dems in 3 of past 4 elections. Georgia: Red state. Ohio: Voted 2 times each for Dems and Republicans in the past 4 elections. I was going to do crime rates for cities and states and their political persuasion, but it was taking too long. I do get that big cities tend to be Blue and that there is more crime there due to poverty levels, but once again, there is more crime in Blue cities/states. Thus, while a lot of folks do their best to either trash Trump or Biden, I an not voting for either man..........but, I have decided to make a switch from a life-long Democrat and vote against that party. I am doing so because I don't think they represent the best interests of honest working folks like myself, my family, and most of the people who are in my circle. The Democratic party has turned its back on the hard-working folks that it used to support and are supporting criminals to some extent and backing policies that reward shiftlessness, laziness, and entitlement at the cost of the middle class. This is a post to politicize the Homeless and to attempt to paint Democratic policy as being the root cause of the worst of it or make it seem as if Dem Policy / City / States etc somehow is worse than GOP policy / cities / states etc. It was proven to be an incorrect and false starting point. So what - now we are changing the topic and the direction of the conversation?
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JMHO, we all have one. As Floridian, I was amazed at number of tents in Portland and Seattle, homeless very apparent everywhere- weather in NW is traditionally mild, rains a bunch but tolerable, and lots of freebies from government- democratic. Issue of riots been building for years- young, unemployed/underemployed have an issue, flamed by lots of issues. Those who state Republicans are cause of issues/ one clear example to my small mind- when Obama was elected, did we have rioting Republicans present during his inauguration, there WERE rioting Democrats for Trump's. The Donald isn't greatest president, but God help us when we elect Biden and radical left- reparations for Blacks, then the Indians, then the Chinese, what about the Irish, Poles....when we're done giving money away a loaf of bread will be $1000 and no one will want it unless it is delivered free of charge to their tent. You Democratic citizens, are Republicans allowed to be American too.......God Bless Us All, pray, we need it.
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I don't think it is hard to see why there is more crime and homelessness in certain areas of the country. Of course, larger areas will have more problems w/these issues. Of course, weather is factor. However, states like Massachusetts, Washington, and Oregon do not have favorable climates are not as populated as others. And if people would take the time to actually research the topic instead of insinuating that another poster is fabricating things, they might stumble across how many homeless people migrate to certain areas due to that locations political and social stances. They might also find a correlation to violent crimes and party affiliation. But no, don't do that. Just criticize another poster's character because he doesn't fall in line w/your way of thinking. All of those things have to be factored, but you ignore the other post that shows a vast majority of poverty stricken states are Republican. The majority of states who's residents receive the most "welfare" per ca pita, are Republican.
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JMHO, we all have one. As Floridian, I was amazed at number of tents in Portland and Seattle, homeless very apparent everywhere- weather in NW is traditionally mild, rains a bunch but tolerable, and lots of freebies from government- democratic. Issue of riots been building for years- young, unemployed/underemployed have an issue, flamed by lots of issues. Those who state Republicans are cause of issues/ one clear example to my small mind- when Obama was elected, did we have rioting Republicans present during his inauguration, there WERE rioting Democrats for Trump's. The Donald isn't greatest president, but God help us when we elect Biden and radical left- reparations for Blacks, then the Indians, then the Chinese, what about the Irish, Poles....when we're done giving money away a loaf of bread will be $1000 and no one will want it unless it is delivered free of charge to their tent. You Democratic citizens, are Republicans allowed to be American too.......God Bless Us All, pray, we need it. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion. I disagree with the premise that Trump isn't in some way responsible for cultivating this culture of division we see today. I don't agree that most of the violence and looting and rioting is politically motivated. I think it's opportunistic criminals who should be prosecuted. . . They just happen to have used the widespread mostly peaceful protesting as a backdrop and means to carry out their lawlessness. And of the violence and rioting - there is at least a significant section who are right wing, Trump supporting groups... your post seems to indicate otherwise or a lack of wanting to address this. I also think the discussion about racism in this country is real, as is the racism shown constantly over generations by some members of the Police force .... and the rage and support you see with something like the BLM is because the Black community have known about it for decades while its only the recent advent of cell phone cameras that have made it suddenly apparent to most of the White community. But it's been going on for generations and nothing has been done to address it. I think you talking about the injustices Blacks have been subject to and then - somewhat in jest - talking about reparations for Chinese, Indians and Irish is demeaning to the real struggle many minorities feel and experience. Just how I see it. As to your point about all of us being Americans - maybe it's me, but I only see the Republicans and Trump espousing how American's who express opinions of more socially just policies aren't real Americans and that they will destroy the "fabric of America". I see the same thing when journalists and the Media criticize Trump and try to hold him accountable for things he says and does .... and then get branded "The enemy of the People" -- the enemy of America. That seems to be exactly the rhetoric and xenophobic mentality that is dividing the country. And just in your post you used the term "When we elect Biden and the radical left" ... that's not a reflection of what Biden's policies are or where he stands on the spectrum - he was and is one of the most centrist candidates.... and by repeating a simple but obvious exaggeration out of fear or misinformation or whatever is the reason, it seems to be one way guaranteed to prevent debate and discussion. It's like the Trump haters who constantly call Trump a Nazi ... you can't have a debate or conversation with someone that says those things.
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I ignored it because it was changing the topic. Unlike some others on here, I have no problem w/people putting their take on things. We all should be allowed to post our thoughts w/out the constant ridicule that a certain group of posters constantly resort to. I have no problem w/you having an alternative thought process than mine and I won't chastise you for expressing that opinion.
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So the fact that the actual homeless numbers per capita prove you were wrong about the homeless issue is now "changing the topic". Got it. Then showing you where the actual murder rates per capita are the highest will really twist your brain. 9 U.S. counties with the highest murder rate Looking at the per capita data, these counties have the highest homicide rates in the country. 1. Orleans Parish, Louisiana Homicide rate: 43 homicides per 100,000 people Median household income: $36,792 2. Coahoma County, Mississippi Homicide rate: 37 homicides per 100,000 people 3. Phillips County, Arkansas Homicide rate: 34 homicides per 100,000 people 4. St. Louis City, Missouri (tie) Homicide rate: 33 homicides per 100,000 people 4. Baltimore City, Maryland (tie) Homicide rate: 33 homicides per 100,000 people 6. Petersburg City, Virginia Homicide rate: 32 homicides per 100,000 people 7. Macon County, Alabama (tie) Homicide rate: 27 homicides per 100,000 people 7. District of Columbia (tie) Homicide rate: 27 homicides per 100,000 people 9. Washington County, Mississippi (tie) Homicide rate: 25 homicides per 100,000 people 9. Dallas County, Alabama (tie) Homicide rate: 25 homicides per 100,000 people https://www.police1.com/ambush/articles/...rWgaEUmxJkn74J/Maybe we should look at all violent crime and which states per capita rank in the top 10? 1. Alaska • Violent crime rate: 885 per 100,000 people • Total 2018 murders: 47 (12th lowest) • Imprisonment rate: 343 adults per 100,000 (14th lowest) • Poverty rate: 10.9% (13th lowest) • Most dangerous city: Anchorage There were 885 violent crimes in Alaska for every 100,000 people in 2018, the most of any state and well above the national rate of 380.6 per 100,000. As is typically the case, aggravated assault accounts for the vast majority of violence in the state. Rape, too, is especially common in Alaska. There were 161.6 rapes reported for every 100,000 people in Alaska in 2018, by far the highest rape rate of any state. Crime can tend to concentrate in areas that lack economic opportunity. In Alaska, 6.6% of the population was out of a job in 2018, the highest annual unemployment rate among states. 2. New Mexico • Violent crime rate: 856.6 per 100,000 people • Total 2018 murders: 167 (22nd lowest) • Imprisonment rate: 448 adults per 100,000 (23rd lowest) • Poverty rate: 19.5% (2nd highest) • Most dangerous city: Gallup New Mexico's violent crime rate of 856.6 incidents per 100,000 people is the highest in the contiguous 48 states and second highest nationwide. There were 17,949 violent crimes reported in New Mexico in 2018, a 10.1% increase from the previous year and the largest increase of any state. Crime tends to be higher in areas where large shares of the population are struggling. In New Mexico, which is one of only two states with a violent crime rate more than double the national average, 19.5% of the population lives below the poverty line. 3. Tennessee • Violent crime rate: 623.7 per 100,000 people • Total 2018 murders: 498 (13th highest) • Imprisonment rate: 553 adults per 100,000 (18th highest) • Poverty rate: 15.3% (9th highest) • Most dangerous city: Memphis Tennessee has the highest violent crime rate of any state in the South and the third highest of any state nationwide. There were 42,226, violent crimes in Tennessee in 2018, more than double the number reported in Virginia, a state home to over 1.5 million more people than Tennessee. Much of the violence reported in Tennessee in 2018 was committed in Memphis. The city accounted for roughly 30% of all violent crime in Tennessee and ranks as the most dangerous city in the state with a violent crime rate of 1,943.2 per 100,000. 4. Arkansas • Violent crime rate: 543.6 per 100,000 people • Total 2018 murders: 216 (23rd highest) • Imprisonment rate: 781 adults per 100,000 (4th highest) • Poverty rate: 17.2% (5th highest) • Most dangerous city: West Memphis Despite a slightly larger than average 3.6% reduction in violent crime from 2017 to 2018, Arkansas ranks among the five most dangerous states in the country. There were 543.6 violent crimes for every 100,000 people in the state in 2018, far higher than the 380.6 per 100,000 national rate. Arkansas's violent crime rate is due in no small part to the concentration of violence in a handful of cities. For example, in Pine Bluff there were 1,609.2 violent crimes for every 100,000 people in 2018. In West Memphis, the most dangerous city in the state, there were 1,970.2 per 100,000. 5. Nevada • Violent crime rate: 541.1 per 100,000 people • Total 2018 murders: 202 (25th lowest) • Imprisonment rate: 584 adults per 100,000 (13th highest) • Poverty rate: 12.9% (23rd highest) • Most dangerous city: North Las Vegas The number of violent crimes committed in Nevada in 2018 fell by 1.5% from 2017 to 2018. The state also reported near nation-leading declines in murder and robbery, 24.1% and 20.2%, respectively. Still, the state also reported a 22.8% increase in rape over the same period, the second largest increase among states, and its overall violent crime rate of 541.1 per 100,000 people is the fifth highest in the country. North Las Vegas ranks as the most dangerous city in Nevada, with a violent crime rate of 966.1 per 100,000. 6. Louisiana • Violent crime rate: 537.5 per 100,000 people • Total 2018 murders: 530 (12th highest) • Imprisonment rate: 942 adults per 100,000 (the highest) • Poverty rate: 18.6% (3rd highest) • Most dangerous city: Opelousas There were 25,049 violent crimes committed in Louisiana in 2018, or 537.5 for every 100,000 people – the sixth highest among states. Louisiana also locks up a larger share of its population than any other state. There are 942 adults incarcerated in Louisiana state and federal prisons for every 100,000 residents 18 and older, the highest imprisonment rate of any state. Crime rates tend to be higher in lower income areas with limited economic opportunity. In Louisiana, 18.6% of the population lives below the poverty line compared to 13.1% of Americans. Additionally, 4.9% of the state's labor force was out of work in 2018, well above the 3.9% national unemployment rate. 7. Alabama • Violent crime rate: 519.6 per 100,000 people • Total 2018 murders: 383 (18th highest) • Imprisonment rate: 626 adults per 100,000 (10th highest) • Poverty rate: 16.8% (7th highest) • Most dangerous city: Anniston Alabama's violent crime rate of 519.6 incidents per 100,000 is the seventh highest among states. In the United States, poorer areas tend to have higher crime rates, and Alabama is no exception. The state's poverty rate of 16.8% is also the seventh highest in the country and well above the 13.1% national poverty rate. Aggravated assualt and murder are especially concentrated in the state. There were 7.8 homicides and 387.6 aggravated assaults for every 100,000 people in Alabama in 2018, each the fifth highest rate among states. 8. Missouri • Violent crime rate: 502.1 per 100,000 people • Total 2018 murders: 607 (8th highest) • Imprisonment rate: 687 adults per 100,000 (7th highest) • Poverty rate: 13.2% (19th highest) • Most dangerous city: St. Louis Missouri is one of only eight states nationwide with a violent crime rate of more than 500 incidents per 100,000. Crime in Missouri is generally concentrated in major cities. In St. Louis, for example, there were 1,800.4 violent crimes for every 100,000 people in 2018, nearly five times the national violent crime rate of 380.6 per 100,000. The murder rate in Missouri is particularly high. There were 607 homicides in the state in 2018, equal to 9.9 for every 100,000 people, the second highest murder rate of any state, after only Lousiana. 9. South Carolina • Violent crime rate: 488.3 per 100,000 people • Total 2018 murders: 392 (16th highest) • Imprisonment rate: 494 adults per 100,000 (23rd highest) • Poverty rate: 15.3% (9th highest) • Most dangerous city: Greenwood South Carolina is one of five southern states to rank among the 10 most dangerous states in the country. There were 24,825 violent crimes in the state in 2018, or 488.3 for every 100,000 people. Aggravated assualt and murder are especially concentrated in the state. There were 7.7 homicides and 362.8 aggravated assaults for every 100,000 people in South Carolina in 2018, the sixth and seventh highest rates among states, respectively. 10. Arizona • Violent crime rate: 474.9 per 100,000 people • Total 2018 murders: 369 (19th highest) • Imprisonment rate: 740 adults per 100,000 (6th highest) • Poverty rate: 14% (14th highest) • Most dangerous city: Tucson There were 474.9 violent crimes for every 100,000 people in Arizona in 2018 – more than the 380.6 per 100,000 national rate. The state's higher-than-average violent crime rate still represents a marked improvement from 2017, when there were 505.7 incidents per 100,000 people. The state reported a 4.5% reduction in the number of violent crimes committed between 2017 and 2018 – greater than the 3% national improvement. As is often the case in states with high crime, Arizona has a relatively large prison population. There are 740 adults incarcerated in state and federal prisons for every 100,000 state residents 18 and over, the sixth highest imprisonment rate among states. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/202...-rate/40968963/The "topic" is "Homeless Numbers and Crime Rates Tied to Political Persuasions?" Nobody changed the "topic". They just blew up the narrative.
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There are countless videos and articles about the homelessness in Democratic cities like Portland and Seattle.
It's also not surprising that those two cities are also home to the protests, rioting, and looting.
You could not pay me to live in those places.
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Give your drum a rest, homelessness does not have a political brand. And there are homeless people in every major city in the US. Columbus tears down the homeless camps all summer long. And it really infuriates me that the homeless get treated so bad.
There are many homeless with mental and drug addiction issues, but there are also just people down on their luck and not always for any fault of their own. Obviously, I don't advocate allowing the homeless to set up camps on private property but in the publicly owned woods along a river? Everybody, no matter who you are, must have some place to live and sleep. I feel like if they are not hurting anyone they should be left alone to live.
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j/c: Dayum... [quote ]Bay Area homelessness: 97 answers to your questionsBy Kevin Fagan | July 28, 2019 | Updated: July 11, 2020 For the fifth year, The San Francisco Chronicle is leading the SF Homeless Project, a consortium of media organizations focusing on the seemingly intractable problem of homelessness. The Chronicle’s ongoing coverage, including stories, videos and interactive graphics, can be found at SFChronicle.com/homelessness. Supported by czi logo Homelessness was already a confounding crisis, but the coronavirus pandemic and the economic ruin it wreaked have amplified the existing challenges and created new ones. While housed residents hunker down indoors as much as they can, many of them struggling with unemployment, thousands of people on the street have nowhere to go and little hope of climbing out of their predicament. Even those in shelters and government-rented hotel rooms face an uncertain, frightening future, realizing that there’s more exposure to the virus in congregate settings and that someday, those safe hotel rooms will no longer all be available. Ask any dozen people in the Bay Area what they think of homelessness, and you’ll get a dozen different answers. For the past two years, we asked Chronicle readers to submit questions about this most vexing, heartbreaking, seemingly insoluble problem in the Bay Area, and received more than 700 submissions. Most of them raised issues in a handful of key areas. We’ve pared them down to these topics, and highlighted this year’s questions. New answers for 2020 Click a question to see the answer. 1 Are there regional efforts to solve homelessness? 2 Who are the people experiencing homelessness? 3 What is being done to help homeless people during the pandemic? 4 What will happen when temporary hotel rooms and safe sleeping sites close as the pandemic subsides? 5 Is San Francisco really a homeless magnet, particularly during the pandemic? 6 Can cities and counties force people into treatment and shelters? 7 How much have tent camps proliferated during the pandemic, and what’s being done about it? 8 How have the state and local budget crises affected homelessness? Read answers from 2019 Click a question to see the answer. 1 How many homeless people live in the Bay Area? 2 How many homeless are in San Francisco and how are they counted? 3 It seems that most, if not nearly all of the homeless people in the Bay Area come here from other states due to the region’s progressive politics and generous benefits. Is that true? 4 California has the largest homeless population in the nation, about 130,000. Why? 5 Why has there been an increase in homelessness? 6 How many homeless people are on drugs? Alcohol? How many are mentally ill? 7 How many homeless people are military veterans? 8 How many families are homeless, and what’s being done to help them? 9 Do homeless people often relocate — move to a particular city because of better services, sense of community, weather, etc.? 10 Reports say tens of millions of Americans nearing old age don't have financial resources or a plan to fund a secure old age. That seems to indicate a coming large increase in homelessness. What are the numbers of those people, and what’s being done to deter those in other areas from coming to the Bay Area? 11 What percentage of the homeless are employed? 12 Why are there fewer homeless people in the North Bay? 13 Do longtime homeless individuals think homelessness is a problem? Do they think they have a right to live on the streets of San Francisco? 14 Since there is a housing shortage, does a person moving off the street mean someone else is becoming homeless? 15 Is there an expectation that homeless people placed into housing will be able to support themselves at some point? I’m concerned that, if not, over time the program will grow to consume the entire budget for help. 16 If the new Navigation Center (on the Embarcadero) is built, what are the demographics of the homeless population to be served? Will this be an older cohort? 17 I am worried about the lack of affordable, accessible housing for older adults and people with disabilities. What are regional governments doing to ensure that people with chronic illness and in wheelchairs are not living and dying on the streets? 18 Can Navigation Centers be expected to successfully support people suffering from a variety of issues (addiction, mental illness, poverty, lack of education) or will Navigation Centers "specialize" in areas of support? 19 What are governments doing to push back on opposition to Navigation Centers? 20 What reasons do individuals give for declining shelter and/or services? 21 What is the status of the Tuff Shed housing initiative in Oakland? Is it still going on? What are the costs and outcomes? Is any other city doing this? 22 I would like to know how zoning is being streamlined to increase new home development. 23 How is the potential for disease due to feces in public areas being dealt with? 24 Why are we not trying to establish mini-home areas, where the homeless can live? 25 Why do so many city supervisors spend years "looking for appropriate sites" for Navigation Centers in their districts? How can we tell if the delay is a legitimate lack of sites and not endless bad-faith stalling? 26 If you’re evicted, are there programs to help you obtain a new apartment so that you’re not homeless on the streets of San Francisco? 27 Are enough shelter beds available to match the number of people who are homeless? 28 Yesterday, I saw several empty buildings along auto row in the Serramonte shopping area in San Mateo County. They used to house Toys R Us, car dealers, etc. — large empty buildings that could serve as new Navigation Centers. Why can't San Francisco partner up and convert these buildings into much-needed housing for our homeless? 29 Why do so many homeless encampments include huge amounts of junk? 30 Why are homeless people allowed to build camps when it’s clearly unsafe, a fire hazard and a sanitation problem, to name a few issues. Why are they allowed to live in unsafe conditions? 31 Why do homeless people choose to lie down and sleep and set up camp in heavily trafficked places like Valencia Street doorways and on Market Street? 32 Why do many people remain unsheltered for years? Do they avoid shelters because of safety concerns, restrictions on family/pets/storage, paranoia, laziness, or something else? What would convince them to enter a shelter or permanent housing? 33 What steps are being taken to temporarily provide camps for homeless? Why not provide long-term, clean and orderly tent cities? 34 Why doesn’t the government build apartments on barges and put the homeless half a mile out in the ocean? Or let them camp on Alcatraz? 35 Why does it cost $700,000 to create a unit of permanent affordable housing? 36 There's tons of space beneath all of the freeway overpasses coursing through S.F. Can the city work with Caltrans to develop all of that empty land into homeless communities? 37 Why is city government not fighting for and utilizing enhanced conservatorship for the mentally ill? 38 Why doesn’t the city help a homeless person connect with their family and send them home? If they have no home and they are drug addicts, we should be offering them rehabilitation instead of phones and money. 39 Do experts in this area feel that some degree of homelessness is unavoidable? Or, using a variety of programs, can everyone be housed in one program or another? 40 Why don't we pay homeless people to clean up the streets? Vouchers or cash per bag of trash? 41 What restrictions are placed on homeless people who want help finding a place to live? 42 What percentage of homeless people would accept housing if it meant no drugs or alcohol? 43 What do homeless individuals say is needed for them to come off the streets? Are there homeless individuals who truly do not want to be housed? Why do they feel this way? 44 Are any government agencies working on a program that would exchange regular work done by homeless individuals for benefits like housing or food vouchers? Are any “workfare“ programs in place? 45 Thinking about homeless individuals who are unwilling or unable to follow the rules required under various programs, are there ways to overcome these specific situations? 46 How can I help combat homelessness? Where is the best and most effective place to donate money or resources? 47 Are there examples in other countries of successful methods/processes that have been used to decrease homelessness? Can some of those be applied to the Bay Area? 48 What are the three main reasons for homelessness and what are the top three solutions? 49 What are all the different ways San Francisco as a city has tried to solve homelessness, and which has been most effective? 50 Why do West Coast cities like San Francisco have so many fewer shelter beds per capita than the East Coast cities like New York? Has there ever been discussion of a California right-to-shelter law similar to New York's? 51 What are local churches doing to help combat the crisis? 52 Why doesn't the city put more portable toilets out so people have a place to go to the bathroom? 53 Where can I take someone who doesn’t want to stay in a shelter but wants a shower? 54 San Francisco spends more than $300 million a year on homelessness and yet the number of homeless people went up last year. Where does all that money go? 55 How much does San Francisco spend per capita on homeless and/or housing-insecure persons? Is it more than comparable cities?" 56 How much does San Francisco spend to combat homelessness? How much money was spent five years ago? And 20 years ago. 57 What makes us believe that the money we are spending addresses the root causes and makes the situation better? 58 Are there cost-control reports or audits of the city’s spending on homelessness? 59 What are we actually doing to address the issue? Our city officials seem to be just talking and not doing anything, while the problem only gets worse each day. 60 Why can't San Francisco make an arrangement with another county that has lower land values to build affordable units, and use lower-cost manufactured housing? 61 San Francisco owns a lot of land outside its borders. Why not build a new community outside the city where things could be cheaper — modest accommodations (like earthquake shacks) with communal bathrooms and kitchen facilities? 62 Has our leadership focused on a housing shortage when the predominant factors require treatment and care? 63 Our lawmakers show intense interest in the safe and sanitary conditions of children at the border (and rightly so). However, our local streets at times are neither safe nor sanitary for the homeless or residents. Why haven’t we demonstrated the same level of care or interest in solving that? 64 How does the federal decrease in low-income housing affect the current crisis in San Francisco? 65 Why is the city beholden to the Coalition on Homelessness? What is the history of the relationship between the two? Why does the coalition wield so much power? 66 What do homeless people think the problem is, and what are their solutions? 67 Why do local leaders refuse to acknowledge that this is a drug crisis first and a homeless issue second? It's incredibly frustrating to see open-air drug use and dealing without consequences. 68 San Francisco relies on a network of nonprofits to deliver services to the homeless. To what extent have these groups become powerful lobbyists for their own funding, making it impossible to develop streamlined and more effective policies and programs? 69 I have seen estimates of close to 3 million homeless Americans. Can we get support and attention that this is a serious national crisis that demands more funding from the federal government? Isn't this problem too big for local governments to solve individually? 70 Why aren’t tech companies and the people profiting from the tech boom held accountable for the deteriorating quality of life for people with fewer resources? 71 What are the primary causes of homelessness? 72 Why don’t homeless people want to work? 73 San Francisco has had a homeless problem since the days of Mayor Art Agnos. What factors have made it so much more visible? Has the incidence of mental illness and substance abuse increased? 74 Didn’t homelessness greatly increase after President Ronald Reagan’s cuts to mental health in the 1980s? 75 Shouldn’t addiction treatment combined with housing be a key component of the solution? 76 Do we really understand what’s causing homelessness and the numbers behind who’s on the street and why? 77 Does homelessness provide a sense of freedom? I’ve known guys for whom it gives a sense of freedom from such things as the pressure to make rent/mortgage payments, dealing with unpleasant neighbors, and the seemingly simple task of maintaining a place. 78 What are the reasons homeless people say why they don’t or won’t accept help? 79 Have we inadvertently created a drug ecosystem, in which addicted homeless people remain clustered in San Francisco to remain close to dealers and to sources of income such as panhandling of tourists and petty theft? 80 How do the unsheltered homeless get medical treatment? 81 What has led to a rise in behavior like public defecation? 82 Are there people who pretend to be homeless while panhandling? 83 Are the stories about panhandlers getting into fancy cars at the end of their workdays true, or are they urban legends? 84 How much money and other donations do various panhandlers collect on a daily basis? 85 Do panhandlers on the street work cooperatively, and do they claim territories? 86 Does giving money to homeless panhandlers make the homeless problem worse or better or have no effect? 87 What legal and financial liability do cities and counties have to enforce laws that prevent disruptive homeless activities such as peeing/pooping in the street, sleeping in a public place, being drunk in public, using and possessing drugs in the open? 88 What is being done to support law enforcement to get the homeless and their garbage, body waste and dirty needles off the street? 89 Why are those with psychiatric illness not screened and hospitalized for treatment instead of left on the streets to scream at the sky and be disruptive? https://projects.sfchronicle.com/sf-homeless/homeless-questions/[/quote]
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Homeless numbers increase daily. Crime across the country increases daily. 200,000 dead Americans. 20% unemployment. Can’t find Clorox wipes toilet paper or paper towels. trump’s murica...on trump’s watch. Republican led country. Pffft trump and his supporters.always pointing at the left. GOP is in charge of this dumpster fire we have today.
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He was shown the facts but ignored them all to push his agenda. That explains his support of Trump.
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Here is an article that presents viewpoints from both conservatives and liberals. Portland and West Coast homeless problems again come under fire on Fox News ChannelUpdated Jun 19, 2019; Posted Jun 19, 2019 A recent segment on the Fox News Channel show, "Tucker Carlson Tonight," again criticized Portland, Seattle and California for policies regarding the homeless problem By Kristi Turnquist | The Oregonian/OregonLive The homelessness problem in Oregon and other West Coast cities has again received some unflattering attention on national TV, once more on the Fox News Channel. In what has become a familiar topic on “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” the Monday episode featured the host and guests lambasting California, along with Oregon and Washington, for, as Carlson put it, policies that haven’t made things better, but made the problem “worse, consistently, steadily.” This isn’t the first time the Fox News show has turned its attention to what it calls “the nation’s homeless crisis and the decay of American cities.” Just last month, for example, “Tucker Carlson Tonight” ran a week’s worth of segments in its “Homeless in America” series. In addition to Seattle, San Francisco and other West Coast areas, Portland was described as a city where the visiting film crew encountered what they said was a homeless man rifling through a trash can, a syringe in a parking lot, and, as Carlson said, “lots of tents,” and “lots of drugs.” "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Portland's homeless problem featured on Tucker Carlson's Fox News show: 'Lots of tents, lots of drugs' The Fox News Channel show "Tucker Carlson Tonight" featured a segment on homelessness in Portland and Eugene for the conservative host's "Homeless in America" series. On Monday, the Fox News Channel host began his show with a monologue about California. Oregon’s neighbor to the south has gone, as Carlson said, from being “the state that made the American dream a reality,” to “a symbol of everything that’s going wrong with this country.” Carlson’s list of the images associated with California? “Needles and feces in the street, a dying middle class, the country’s highest poverty rate, policies that prioritize illegal aliens over ailing American citizens.” After denouncing California, the state’s policies and its governor, Gavin Newsom, Carlson then turned to West Coast cities in general, and how they’re failing, in his view, in efforts to address homelessness. “As we told you in this program last month,” Carlson said, “the three West Coast states of California, Oregon and Washington have more than 100,000 homeless living on the streets on any given night.” As images of homeless camps, trash, and people sleeping on sidewalks flashed onscreen, Carlson continued, saying that city officials “have blamed low wages, a lack of affordable housing, other factors,” and have “thrown tens of millions of taxpayer dollars at the problem.” Carlson then introduced a guest who, as the host said, believes that “local governments are ignoring the most obvious driver of homelessness on the West Coast and the rest of the country, and that’s the opioid epidemic.” Carlson’s guest, Christopher Rufo, a Seattle-based journalist, documentary filmmaker and onetime Seattle City Council candidate (he dropped out, citing threats made against his family), said, “I think that we have an addiction crisis that’s being disguised as a housing crisis.” Like his fellow primetime Fox News hosts, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, Carlson is a commentator with a conservative point of view. He has criticized other news sources, notably CNN, for having what he considers to be a liberal bias. Carlson’s guest on Monday’s show, Rufo, has appeared on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” before, and has been an opinionated presence in Seattle. In a May interview with Seattle’s KUOW public radio, for example, Rufo also talked about homelessness, in an interview bearing the headline, “’Homelessness is now a billion-dollar industry,’ says this Seattle conservative.” In his appearance on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” on Monday, Rufo cited statistics that he said support the view that heroin and fentanyl, a synthetic opioid, are coming “directly from Mexican drug cartels” and being shipped through “USPS and commercial mail directly from fentanyl manufacturers in China.” Carlson asked Rufo why city officials are “resolutely ignoring” what Rufo described as cities like Seattle and Portland sending “truckloads” of cash to Mexican drug cartels, and fentanyl manufacturers in China. “I think the kind of ideological factions,” as Rufo characterized them, that are in “the dominant position in California, Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington,” don’t “want to say there’s an addiction crisis, because it conflicts with their social justice ideology that the homeless are kind of virtuous victims of an oppressive society. They also want to avoid what they call stigmatizing addiction, so rather than confront the problem with clear eyes, and really digging into it, they’ve chosen to ignore it.” The segment ended with Carlson making another editorializing statement in response to Rufo’s view of city officials in Oregon, Washington and California. “They’re liars,” Carlson said, “and ideologues.” Carlson’s conservative perspective has appealed to loyal Fox News Channel viewers, though others have been critical of his approach. Media Matters for America, for example, the liberal research organization that tracks and critiques conservative media, recently posted an article that says, “Fox News has recently increased coverage of the problem of homelessness in America’s cities, using the issue as an excuse to chastise Democratic politicians and criticize proposals aimed at helping undocumented immigrants.” In the June 4 post, Courtney Hagle writes that the Fox News Channel has “painted a grim picture of American cities as ‘almost Third World in their decay,’ facing ‘a complete breakdown of the basic needs of civilization,’ and filled with ‘drugged-out zombies chasing barefooted babies.’ Fox has largely focused on the issue in cities on the West Coast -- mostly focusing on cities in liberal California, with a few segments on Denver; Seattle; and Portland and Eugene, OR. Every city Fox highlighted has at least one thing in common: Democratic leaders. And the problem Fox identified in each city is more or less the same -- the Democratic leaders and their ‘rich friends’ prefer to push ‘social justice initiatives,’ ‘socialist solutions,’ and ‘liberal compassion’ instead of properly addressing mental illness or engaging in punitive crackdowns on homelessness (Fox’s preference).” Hagle’s piece also says, “Despite the attention Fox has been paying to the issue, the network has been silent about the Trump administration’s lack of serious interest in tackling America’s homelessness crisis.” The article lists several recent segments about homelessness featured on such Fox News shows as “Hannity,” “The Five,” “Fox & Friends,” “The Ingraham Angle,” and several examples from “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” which, Hagle writes, provide examples of how “Fox plans to make this topic a part of its strategy ahead of 2020 by using the real and serious problem of homelessness to demonize Democrats and fearmonger about socialism.” -- Kristi Turnquist https://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment...ws-channel.html
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Opinions are great. But the statistics I posted don't lie. Keep up the good fight!
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Opinions are great. But the statistics I posted don't lie. Keep up the good fight! Yeah - but if people can't back up their agenda with facts, they can always spam the boards with opinion pieces!
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Man, the comments from the cops in that Seattle is Dying documentary are really troubling.
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Once again referring the Seattle is Dying piece..........I have to say that the program that those in Providence, RI are implementing seems promising.
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First, thanks for posting. That was a great doc. I love Seattle. I've watched the decline when visiting over the years. What has taken place is staggering and heart wrenching, particularly for those who live there. The city's leaders have painted a picture of desperate homelessness; when in fact, it is reckless lawlessness - sponsored by the government. The response in Providence is amazing. Too bad it makes so much sense, that in and of itself makes it a near impossibility for most places. Sad, sad world we live in where politicians can't get out of their own way and foster real change.
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It was a long doc, but it was worth watching. The city officials just smiling and laughing during the Township Hall residents was making me angry. Felt really bad for the police, the residents, and even some of the Homeless. The drug problem is huge and the dumb-ass laws by the government make that much worse. Like I said in an earlier thread, people migrate to certain cities for these reasons.
The Providence thing was encouraging. I have always been a proponent of "tough love." I was raised that way, raised my kids that way, and taught/coached that way. It takes a lot more work, but the results are worth it.
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I ignored it because it was changing the topic. Unlike some others on here, I have no problem w/people putting their take on things. We all should be allowed to post our thoughts w/out the constant ridicule that a certain group of posters constantly resort to. I have no problem w/you having an alternative thought process than mine and I won't chastise you for expressing that opinion. It wasn't "changing the topic." It was exactly about the topic you posed. It WAS changing the narrative which you are pushing. There is a huge difference there. You can have opinions, everyone can, but you can't post "facts" and then when presented with actual facts, turn around and ignore them because people are "changing the topic." I mean, you can, it's your right, but you lose all credibility, especially when always claiming to only be about the truth, and not the narrative you want to push.
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Okay, I have lost all credibility w/you. I'm crushed.
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And so are we. 
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Didn't you know that we no longer live in the United States anymore? According to Trump and his cronies we now live in Democratic and Republican states. Democratic and Republican cities. So anything that happens in America where people tend to vote blue is no longer represented by Trump and his supporters. According to Trump, none of that is his part of America or his responsibility. You are dreaming if you think we live in "United" States.
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