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As a side note: Anybody else notice. (hehe)

Is it just a coincidence that if all the nameable politicians are pushing octogenarian status, that (Viet Nam draft status as an issue)

Well if I'm 50- what are the 20 year olds thinking,

I mean World War ONE! wasn't the topic of the 1980 election, nor the depression,

If a political party is stuck in the 1960's that's pretty sad.
And I'm stuck in the 1980's which is bad enough!

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In a nine-tweet thread Friday afternoon, Griffin cited two unnamed former senior administration officials who she said confirmed for her many key aspects of Atlantic Editor in Chief Jeffrey Goldberg's story about Trump's cancellation of a trip to Aisne-Marne American Cemetery while visiting Paris in 2018.
Just before midnight Friday, the president shared a Breitbart.com story about Griffin's reporting and said, "Jennifer Griffin should be fired for this kind of reporting. Never even called us for comment. @FoxNews is gone!"

But Trump's attack on Griffin was a bridge too far for her colleagues, seven of whom took to Twitter over the weekend to defend her.

"Jennifer @JenGriffinFNC is a great reporter and a total class act," wrote Baier, the network's chief political anchor.

"Jennifer Griffin is the kind of reporter we all strive to be like," said national correspondent Bryan Llenas. "She's courageous, smart, ethical, fair and a class act. She's earned the trust of viewers throughout a distinguished career and is credibile."

"@JenGriffinFNC is a terrific reporter and a wonderful colleague," State Department correspondent Rich Edson wrote.

"I'll forever stand by @JenGriffinFNC," said senior news producer Rocco Aloe.

"Jennifer Griffin is all you want in a journalist and a friend," wrote senior field producer Yonat Friling. "She's smart, courageous, she strives for professionalism and the truth. I am so proud to be her colleague."

Griffin defended herself during an appearance on Fox News on Saturday. "My sources are unimpeachable," she said. "I feel very confident with what we have reported at Fox. Not every line of the Atlantic article did I confirm, but I would say that most of the descriptions and the quotes in that Atlantic article, I did find people who were able to confirm, and so I feel very confident in my reporting. ... I'm a reporter, and it was my job to report what I heard."

Anchor Neil Cavuto then endorsed her work. "Jennifer, you are a very good reporter," he told her. Then, addressing his audience, he said, "She's pretty scrupulous when it comes to making sure all the i's are dotted, all the t's are crossed."

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Why Democrats can't admit their party are commuists trying to take over the lives of every American and if you think there is a wealth disparity now,
you ain't seen nothing if they get their way which would be,
Starvation on one side and
The party political elite on the other and
justice for nobody.


We could... but people would need a nap and a power bar after reading the title.

The halest and heartiest of us might feel inclined to respond after a sufficient recuperative period.

Don't hold your breath.


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Anatomy of A(nother) Fake Scandal


By Clarice Feldman

The Atlantic does it Again

The Atlantic published a tale based on anonymous sources that the President referred to veterans who had lost their lives in battles as “ suckers” and losers” and refused to go to a French cemetery honoring WWI American veterans because he feared his hair would be mussed. The magazine is now majority-owned by Steve Jobs’ very rich widow, Laurene, who contributed $500,000 to the Biden campaign and who seems to have reshaped it as the Biden sleazy propaganda arm.

It previously published a pro-defund the police article -- supposedly a firsthand account of witnessing a police officer shoot an unarmed youngster for ignoring a basketball sign-in sheet -- which, as the extensive federalist investigation showed, was utter poppycock.

While the Atlantic was the ringleader, the usual media wizards copied and pasted the unsupported claims by Jeffrey Goldberg and megaphoned them,

Sean Davis of the Federalist noted the series of fake scandals promoted by the same journalists “who bought and peddled the Iraq WMD hoax, the Rolling Stone UVA rape hoax, the Russian collusion hoax, the Covington hoax, the Kavanaugh hoax, and the latest Atlantic hoax.” Immediately a “Vote Vets” slickly produced ad repeating the charges hit the airwaves

Real reporters took a closer look. Mollie Hemingway said the fast pickup was suspicious:

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Either that is a stunning and record-setting turn-around for a genuine ad and resulting ad buy ... or a media group is blatantly collaborating with a political campaign operation

J.E. Dyer rather conclusively nailed the blatant collaboration:

A mere 24 hours after the story was published at Atlantic, the Democratic fundraising outfit ActBlue is soliciting donations via the façade of the leftist group VoteVets. (In fact, the tweet with the VoteVets video was posted at 9:04 AM EDT on 4 September, substantially less than 24 hours after the first archive of the Atlantic post at Wayback, which shows an Atlantic website time stamp of 5:32 PM EDT on 3 September.) [snip] This video was quite obviously not just thrown together, uncued (and overnight!), in the space of less than 24 hours. This had to be in the works beforehand.

Which means, from the sentient being’s analytical perspective that a bunch of people other than Jeffrey Goldberg knew what he was going to publish on 3 September 2020. Not just any people either, but a network of PAC activists and fundraisers for the Democratic Party.

As regards Mr. Goldberg and his story, there seem to be two likely scenarios. One is that he shared the findings of his diligent journalism with Democratic operatives before he published the story.

The other is that this was a packaged story supplied to him by one of the leftist media “war rooms” that now concoct so much of the outline copy, and so many of the talking points, for the visible front-men and women of the mainstream media.

Hovering his cursor over the video clip he saw a notice “Visit secure.actblue.com“ Act Blue, of course, is a Democrat fundraising arm.

It’s pure nonsense from the party to the “media war room.”

Not a single person with the President on that trip, not even John Bolton, no ally of the President, confirms this story, and not a single anonymous source has come forward to confirm it either.

Indeed, those with the President on that trip utterly deny it. And, of course, if he had said what the anonymous sources said he did, I can’t imagine this is the first we’d have heard of it.

You have to be a dope to fall for the claim that a President who has spent so much time praising our troops, raising their salaries, visiting the wounded and honoring dead soldiers and their families would ever say such a thing. On the other hand, please bear in mind, that the DNC (whose titular head now is Joe Biden) gave a prime convention speaking spot to John F. Kerry, whose political career began with him disparaging the soldiers and vets in the very worst way possible, calling them war criminals who engaged in horrendous acts in Vietnam.

It looks as though this is just a way to milk more money out of the idiots who fell for the earlier scandals. Lynn Chu thinks the vets are not buying it:

A lot of outraged military guys called in to radio shows today saying that the Obama administration treated the military with undisguised contempt and that the difference between those 8 years and these 4 is night and day. I think anyone sensible knows this is a cheesy lie. Like the Kavanagh lies.

Sharyl Attkisson describes the matter as standard political scandalmongering.

As Richard Boe reminds us, this is an old Democrat trick, which General George McClellan used when he ran against Lincoln in 1864 and accused him of disrespecting the Union dead. McClellan used the same false report on Lincoln.

It didn’t work for McClellan and it won’t work for Biden, who’s reduced to having a handful of citizens reading pre-prepared questions to him while he reads (poorly) off his teleprompter the pre-prepared answers. Someone compared it to Johnny Carson’s Carnac the Magnificent act where the answer preceded Carnac’s (Carson’s) divining the question. Once in a while reporters even get to question him, and they put on a pitiful performance, treating the candidate like an idiot child and asking only the dumbest softball questions, like Ed O’Keefe of CBS news asking Biden why he wasn’t even more angry at Trump.

Covering for Biden and Pelosi’s Gaffes

The President’s most significant achievements are ignored or buried deep in other trivial media accounts. His approval rating is back at the pre-COVID 52%. Employment is up, beating all expectations.

A new Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) report released at 8:30 AM, revealed stunningly positive news on the state of the jobs market: the economy added 1.4 million jobs in August. But there’s bigger news: the unemployment rate dropped nearly 2 percentage points from 10.2 percent in June to an astonishing 8.4 percent. That’s massively better than economists surveyed by Refinitiv, who were expecting a drop to 9.8 percent.

If the Nobel Peace Prize actually honored someone who furthered world peace, Trump would win it hands down.

He brokered a peace deal between Kosovo and Serbia, which ends two decades of conflict. He has induced the Gulf States to recognize Israel and in so doing deflated both the Iranians and the Palestinians responsible for so much of the carnage in the Middle East. So stupid or biased is the press corps they ignore these momentous successful shifts in U.S. foreign policy. Ambassador Richard Grenell was rightfully dismissive of the White House press corps’ performance this week, roasting them to their face, “I don’t know if you could find [Kosovo and Serbia] on a map. This is atrocious… maybe it’s too complicated of an issue for you all.”

For those of you wondering why this story was orchestrated now and not, as usual, in October, there are several explanations: Biden’s crashing in the polls, the Democrat’s Speaker of the House is on the hair salon rocks, the job numbers are stunning, and there is a desire to influence early voters as quickly as possible before their Potemkin candidate spends more time out of the basement.

Sharyl Attkisson reminds us in a tweet that “Scheduled ‘scandals will be rolled out regularly between now & Nov. 3. The media, politicos, propagandists pretend it’s organic & pretend to be aghast. Most of America understands what’s going on.”

Fasten your seatbelts, gird your loins. With nothing but a demented, weak candidate at the top of their ticket and no agenda any normal voter could support, this -- well-orchestrated scandals based on pure fakery -- is what they are left with.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/09/anatomy_of_another_fake_scandal.html

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A Fox News reporter confirmed The Atlantic’s story about Trump insulting fallen troops. Fox hosts are still calling it a hoax.

The new bombshell report from The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg, reporting that President Donald Trump had repeatedly disparaged fallen U.S. troops as “losers” and “suckers,” has now been confirmed by a rather unexpected media voice: Fox News national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin. This latest confirmation comes after Fox’s previous coverage of the story continually backed Trump’s denials.

Griffin’s reporting corroborated multiple details of The Atlantic’s article: That Trump simply didn’t want to drive to the World War I cemetery, though it was possible to do so; that he did not want wounded veterans included in his July 4, 2019, military parade, calling it “not a good look”; and that Trump maintained an obsessive hatred of the late Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — Trump had famously insulted McCain’s history as a prisoner of war in 2015 — and opposed lowering the American flag to half-staff when McCain died in 2018.

One of Griffin’s sources even added another detail: “When the president spoke about the Vietnam War, he said, ‘It was a stupid war. Anyone who went was a sucker.’”

This of course, completely contradicts Fox News coverage earlier on Friday, in which the network’s commentators insisted that The Atlantic article had to be completely false.

Indeed, in the early evening right after Griffin’s report, co-host Greg Gutfeld continued to dispute the story on The Five, alleging that it was a media plot that seemed to be “created in a lab” to politically target military families ahead of the election.

And as Justin Baragona of The Daily Beast also pointed out, while Fox’s pushback against The Atlantic article hinged on its anonymous sourcing, “without a hint of irony, Fox News correspondent John Roberts on Friday morning cited on-air two anonymous sources refuting the bombshell report, claiming ‘the president never said that according to both of these sources.’”

The Associated Press has obtained its own confirmation of The Atlantic’s story, from a senior Defense Department official and a senior U.S. Marine Corps officer, and The Washington Post has also reported further damaging details: “In one account, the president told senior advisers that he didn’t understand why the U.S. government placed such value on finding soldiers missing in action because they had performed poorly and gotten caught and deserved what they got, according to a person familiar with the discussion.”

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fo...roops-fox-hosts

Even FOX News knows it's true. I guess they are now a part of the liberal media and the deep state. Yet Trump supporters keep screaming it's a lie.


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Discussing Trumps comments disparaging our soldiers, someone has to have recorded Trump, adding evidence of Trumps comments.

Reading stories this morning, there is more to come...



Editor Of The Atlantic Says More Info On Trump's Veteran Comments Is Coming

By Cole Blake
September 06, 2020 21:57

Editor-in-chief of The Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg says the publication's recent story on President Donald Trump calling dead war veterans "losers" is just the beginning.

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Trump Helped Himself To Art From Ambassador’s Mansion In Paris For White House

He “shopped” for something nice to bring to Washington instead of attending a commemoration at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery of war heroes.

By Mary Papenfuss

President Donald Trump helped himself to art treasures he fancied in the U.S. ambassador’s historic 1842 mansion in Paris when he visited two years ago —and had them shipped to the White House with him on Air Force One, Bloomberg reported Sunday.

Trump had extra time on his hands during his visit to Paris to commemorate the centennial of the end of World War I when he controversially skipped a trip to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery outside the city. The cancellation is now causing a world of trouble for Trump since The Atlantic reported that he blew it off after calling the fallen heroes “losers,” according to their sources.

The White House has confirmed — but downplayed — Trump’s highly unusual art “caper,” Bloomberg noted.

Trump spent some of the six hours of his newly found free time after skipping out on the cemetery visit by “shopping” for art in the ambassador’s mansion where he was staying, Bloomberg reported.

The following day Trump pointed out a Benjamin Franklin bust, a Franklin portrait and figurines of Greek gods, which he ordered to be returned to Washington with him. They were valued at $750,000, according to Bloomberg. He reportedly quipped that the mansion would get the art back in six years.

Ambassador Jamie McCourt was “startled,” while others were amused and astonished, according to Bloomberg.

Nothing to see here, a White House spokesperson told Bloomberg in a statement.

“The President brought these beautiful, historical pieces, which belong to the American people, back to the United States to be prominently displayed in the People’s House,” Judd Deere said.

The Greek figurines are currently on the fireplace mantel in the Oval Office, according to Bloomberg.

The Benjamin Franklin portrait and bust turned out to be copies of the originals.
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The "fall out" over Trumps comments disparaging our military will continue far beyond Sept. 3, when the Atlantic article about "Suckers and Losers" was published.




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The Atlantic has been called a thing owned by a political one sided individual, 70% owner of the Atlantic = some left leaning individual who bought it, (presumably to use it for political attacks after this kind of thing, evidently).

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The Atlantic has been called a thing owned by a political one sided individual, 70% owner of the Atlantic = some left leaning individual who bought it, (presumably to use it for political attacks after this kind of thing, evidently).



soo they are not fox news?


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The Atlantic has been called a thing owned by a political one sided individual, 70% owner of the Atlantic = some left leaning individual who bought it, (presumably to use it for political attacks after this kind of thing, evidently).




If John Kelly came forward and admitted that he was one of the sources used in the Atlantic article about Trump's disparaging remarks against our soldiers...would you then believe the Atlantic story?


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Exclusive: Zach Fuentes, Top Aide to John Kelly, Denies Atlantic Story About Trump

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7 Sep 2020


Former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Zach Fuentes denied to Breitbart News The Atlantic’s account of President Donald Trump’s comments about troops in Europe.

Fuentes unequivocally denied The Atlantic’s report last week, a huge blow to the establishment media narrative. Fuentes personally briefed President Trump on the weather situation that led to the trip being canceled. He is also a close personal confidante of former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly.

“You can put me on record denying that I spoke with The Atlantic,” Fuentes told Breitbart News on Monday. “I don’t know who the sources are. I did not hear POTUS call anyone losers when I told him about the weather. Honestly, do you think General Kelly would have stood by and let ANYONE call fallen Marines losers?”

He specifically also stated that he believes The Atlantic’s sources “are unlikely first hand accounts.”

“They are conflating those people from something the day after,” Fuentes said.

Fuentes also told Breitbart News he is upset that Trump has been speaking negatively about Kelly.

“On a separate note, I am disappointed to see POTUS talk about General Kelly so negatively in the middle of being accused of saying negative things about the military,” Fuentes said. “If anyone understands selfless service, it’s General Kelly.”

The fact that Fuentes—Kelly’s closest ally—is now publicly denying the report from The Atlantic is a monstrous strike against the credibility of the report. Several Trump critics, including former National Security Adviser John Bolton, have also denied this happened.

Every person who was allegedly in the room who has spoken up so far has denied the account of what happened. Fuentes’ denial, reported here exclusive on Breitbart News first, deals another strike against The Atlantic’s credibility.
“I also think any President, regardless of political affiliation, deserves to have candid and private conversations with trusted advisors,” Fuentes added in a text to Breitbart News. “If the President decides to talk about it, that is his right, but generally, I don’t think it is my place to divulge private conversations I’ve had with him.”


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The Atlantic has been called a thing owned by a political one sided individual, 70% owner of the Atlantic = some left leaning individual who bought it, (presumably to use it for political attacks after this kind of thing, evidently).




If John Kelly came forward and admitted that he was one of the sources used in the Atlantic article about Trump's disparaging remarks against our soldiers...would you then believe the Atlantic story?


At this point they won't even believe the AP or FOX News both of which confirmed parts of this story through their own sources. Why would they believe John Kelly?

They believe everyone is out to bet Trump. They believe anyone and everyone, even their own favorite news source is in some globalist plot against Trump.

Somehow, they know Trump is a habitual liar yet still takes what he says over anyone and everyone else. You simply can't fix illogical thinking like that.


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He said that he denied that he was the source, he denied that he knew who the sources were, he said he didn't hear it.

While all that could be true, that doesn't mean the story isn't true.

For the record, I too would like to state that I was not the source nor do I know who the sources are.


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Removal of flag honoring veterans from White House sparks anger

By Alexandra Alper and Idrees Ali ,Reuters•September 11, 2020

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A decision by the Trump administration earlier this year to move the flag honoring missing war veterans from a prominent position atop the White House to a less visible spot on the South Lawn has angered some veterans and lawmakers, who see it as disrespectful and potentially illegal.

The flag is dedicated to prisoners of war and service members who are missing in action. According to a White House video posted in June, it was relocated in a private ceremony with full military honors, months after President Donald Trump signed into law a bill requiring the flag to be flown at certain federal sites including the White House every day.

The revelations come amid growing questions over Trump's respect for the military, after a report last week by the Atlantic magazine alleging that Trump had called fallen American soldiers "losers" and "suckers" sparked outrage and controversy.

Trump denied the assertions, but has publicly disparaged the service of the late Senator John McCain, a war veteran, and was accused of criticizing his own generals in excerpts of a forthcoming book titled "Rage," by Bob Woodward.

"It's bad enough that President Trump publicly ridicules American heroes like Senator McCain and others who were captured on the battlefield. He inexplicably promotes the Confederate flag but fails to fly the POW/MIA flag," said Democratic Senator Jack Reed, a co-sponsor of the bill. "It's part of a pattern of disrespect by President Trump toward those who honorably served our nation."

Reed, and fellow Democratic Senators Elizabeth Warren and Margaret Hassan, who also co-sponsored the bill, sent a letter to the White House on Thursday requesting that it reconsider the flag's relocation.

"This decision to abruptly move the POW/MIA Flag from atop the White House to an area that is apparently not visible to the public may violate federal law and does not appropriately honor the service and sacrifices of American prisoners of war, missing servicemembers, and their families," the letter reads.

The White House defended the change of venue but did not offer a reason for it.

"President Trump dedicated a POW/MIA memorial site earlier this year on the White House grounds to forever remember our heroic service members who were prisoners of war or missing in action," White House spokesman Judd Deere said. "The President selected a site on the Southwest corner of the South Lawn for this prominent and sacred memorial, which is visible to all those who visit the White House, that features the POW/MIA flag," he added.

The black and white flag, which reads "you are not forgotten," depicts a man beneath a guard tower gazing down at a barbed wire fence. Roughly 82,000 American servicemembers are still missing since World War Two.

U.S. law requires the flag to be displayed in a "manner designed to ensure visibility to the public." In its current position, it can be viewed from limited vantage points outside the White House complex.

The American Ex-Prisoners of War group, which represents 10,000 former POWs and their families, said it was outraged last month when it learned of the move, calling it a "slap in the face."

"While he touts his support for the U.S. Armed Forces and their families, actions speak louder than words. And this action speaks of disdain for Prisoners of War and the Missing in Action," the group said.

The bill, co-sponsored by Republicans including Senators Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton and John Thune, was signed by Trump in November and sought to give the flag a lasting place of prominence.

Over Memorial Day weekend this May, Trump touted his signing of the law to representatives of Rolling Thunder, a veterans advocacy group.

"In the months since, that righteous flag has proudly flown over the White House; you probably noticed it today," Trump told them.

But its relocation prompted inquiries from veterans advocates, including Artie Muller, founder and executive director of Rolling Thunder, who said he "wasn't too happy" when he learned of the change.

"It was supposed to be over the White House," he said, adding that he did not see it as illegal or disrespectful, but hoped it would be restored to its prior location to increase visibility.

Ann Mills-Griffiths, chairman and chief executive officer of the National League of POW/MIA Families, said that "working-level White House staff members" had been made aware of the concern over the flag not being flown over the White House.

For its part, the American legion said it was pleased that the flag "flies 24/7 at its own POW/MIA Memorial on White House grounds."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/removal-flag-honoring-veterans-white-102334555.html


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