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Have you not read his posts?

The dude has stated on several occasions that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist and a Nazi. There were other labels, but I don't feel like looking them up.

I don't know........but, I probably don't belong in this forum. I don't like all the name-calling and one-sided rhetoric by either side. And yes, I realize the "I probably don't belong in this forum" quote will only lead to more insults.

I just find it very depressing how hateful so many people are.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/s...ve-report-finds

Some context

I don't like what this article said.

#fakenooz

I don't claim all Trump supporters are Nazi's and or racist. What I do say is they certainly have no problem with voting for and supporting we have a president who is one.

WATCH: ‘Protesters’ Set Man on Fire with Bomb Thrown at Portland Police

Portland protester (Noah Berger / Associated Press)
Noah Berger / Associated Press

Joel B. Pollak

5 Sep 2020

A firebomb thrown by rioters at police in Portland, Oregon, on Saturday night set a “protester” on fire, according to the Portland Police Bureau.


Video of fire

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/...ortland-police/

1st, who doesn't learn stop, drop, and roll by 3rd grade? Love that you hear someone in the background yelling that.

2nd, The article attributes the molotov cocktail to antifa. No way to know (at this point) who threw it.

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

BY SANYA MANSOOR SEPTEMBER 5, 2020 11:47 AM EDT

The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful, according to a new report published Thursday by a nonprofit that researches political violence and protests across the world.

The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) analyzed more than 7,750 Black Lives Matter demonstrations in all 50 states and Washington D.C. that took place in the wake of George Floyd’s death between May 26 and August 22.

Their report states that more than 2,400 locations reported peaceful protests, while fewer than 220 reported “violent demonstrations.” The authors define violent demonstrations as including “acts targeting other individuals, property, businesses, other rioting groups or armed actors.” Their definition includes anything from “fighting back against police” to vandalism, property destruction looting, road-blocking using barricades, burning tires or other materials. In cities where protests did turn violent—these demonstrations are “largely confined to specific blocks,” the report says.

The ACLED report includes protests toppling statues of “colonial figures, slave owners and Confederate leaders” as violent incidents. “Since Floyd’s killing, there have been at least 38 incidents in which demonstrators have significantly damaged or torn down memorials around the country,” the report states.

Still, many people continue to believe that Black Lives Matter protests are largely violent—contrary to the report’s findings. ACLED highlights a recent Morning Consult poll in which 42% of respondents believe “most protesters (associated with the BLM movement) are trying to incite violence or destroy property.” ACLED suggests this “disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing… such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations.”


U.S.-based ACLED is funded by the State Department’s Bureau of Conflict and Stabilization Operations as well as foreign governments and other organizations, including the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the German Federal Foreign Office, the Tableau Foundation, the International Organization for Migration, and The University of Texas at Austin. It relied on data collection from the U.S. Crisis Monitor—a joint project led by ACLED and Princeton University’s Bridging Divides Initiative—that tracks and publishes real-time data on political violence and demonstrations in the U.S in order to “establish an evidence base from which to identify risks, hotspots and available resources to empower local communities in times of crisis.”

ACLED also highlights a “violent government response,” in which authorities “use force more often than not” when they are present at protests and that they “disproportionately used force while intervening in demonstrations associated with the BLM movement, relative to other types of demonstrations.” The report also references “dozens of car-ramming attacks” on protesters by various individuals, some of whom have ties to hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan.

ACLED warns in the report that the U.S. “is at heightened risk of political violence and instability going into the 2020 general election,” citing trends in mass shootings, violent hate crimes and police killings. The authors of the report say the Trump administration has exacerbated tensions caused by racial inequality and police brutality. President Donald Trump and high-ranking members of his administration have frequently generalized protesters as violent anarchists.


https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful...wN5jBAHaj4v-3fM

j/c:

And still 93% of the protests are peaceful.

...and the vast majority of the rioting and looting is carried out by leftist/antifa types, but that doesn't stop liberals from focusing on the outliers.

Do you know if those people even vote or affiliate themselves with either party?

The outliers? Since when are 93% of protests being peaceful equal "outliers"? Wouldn't that be the 7% of protests? Wouldn't outliers be the low percentage of protestors who actually conduct criminal activity rather than the vast majority of those who don't?

Yes, outliers is the low % ... And of the 7% we already know a high percentage of that number is made up of Alt Right groups trying to use the violence as a means to generate bad media coverage and stuck it to BLM etc .... But we know that isn't recognized by many who want to use that 7% to bring fear and loathing to the fire.

Hey Pit, Having lived in Troy I'm sure you probably are familiar with the Civil War statue in Pleasant Hill. Guess it was on the local news the other day that Antifa was going to show up and tear it down. Don't know why as it's a monument to the Union soldiers who died in defense of the Union.

Ninety-three percent of these demonstrations were peaceful, but that indicated that approximately 543 events were violent, according to ACLED’s statistics.

https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonst...or-summer-2020/

What do you mean by "high percentage"? A huge majority of those rioting and looting are alt left/antifa types. You'd have to be ignorant not to see that. Sure there are right wing wack jobs causing trouble to make the left look bad, but don't try and say it's a "high percentage" of those causing the trouble.

High percentage ? Maybe that's a bad choice of words. "significant percentage" would be better.

As for you saying the rest is left wing antifa types...I don't agree at all. Most of them are simply lawless thugs without any political persuasion. I'd be happy for all of them to be caught and prosecuted appropriately.

I see it as the far extreme and how the right uses that to try and label that as depicting Democrats as a whole. Just like they do when they rant about the 7% of the protests being violent while staying silent about the fact that 93% of them are peaceful.

Just like when the left does the same thing with White Supremacists and the KKK. They portray that as representing what the right stands for. It's just what people do and neither side is any less guilty of it than the other.

What the right doesn't want to do is admit that the average Democrat nominated the most moderate candidate that ran for the nomination. That Biden is and always has been a moderate. That's he's not some left wing socialist. It's in their best interest to avoid that and look at the extremists and scream about that. Then ignore and make excuses for all of the chaos Trump sows.

It's odd how most everyone I see on the left, including Biden, stand up for law and order. How we all hope they are caught and prosecuted. Then despite all of that, they claim we are the one's who stand for lawlessness.

But Trump said so, so....

j/c

Alleged Boogaloo members face terrorism charges in Minnesota

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Two men who prosecutors say are members of an anti-government extremist group, who toted guns on Minneapolis streets during unrest following the death of George Floyd and spoke about shooting police, blowing up a courthouse and killing politicians, have been charged with federal terrorism counts.

Michael Robert Solomon, 30, of New Brighton, Minnesota, and Benjamin Ryan Teeter, 22, of Hampstead, North Carolina, are members of the “Boogaloo Bois,” authorities say.

They are charged with conspiring to provide and attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, for allegedly building firearms suppressors that they believed they sold to Hamas, and for allegedly offering to fight as “mercenaries” for the group.

Assistant Attorney General John Demers said in a statement that people who seek to engage in terrorist activity will be held accountable, “no matter what witch’s brew of ideological motivations inspire” them.

Solomon and Teeter made their first court appearances via videoconference Friday in U.S. District Court. They were both appointed federal defenders, but attorneys were not immediately assigned to comment on their behalf.

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This undated photo provided by the Sherburne County Sheriff's Office shows Michael Robert Solomon. Solomon and Benjamin Ryan Teeter who prosecutors say are members of an anti-government extremist group, who toted guns on Minneapolis streets during unrest following the death of George Floyd and spoke about shooting police, blowing up a courthouse and killing politicians, have been charged with federal terrorism counts. (Sherburne County Sheriff's Office via AP)

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Two men who prosecutors say are members of an anti-government extremist group, who toted guns on Minneapolis streets during unrest following the death of George Floyd and spoke about shooting police, blowing up a courthouse and killing politicians, have been charged with federal terrorism counts.

Michael Robert Solomon, 30, of New Brighton, Minnesota, and Benjamin Ryan Teeter, 22, of Hampstead, North Carolina, are members of the “Boogaloo Bois,” authorities say.

They are charged with conspiring to provide and attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, for allegedly building firearms suppressors that they believed they sold to Hamas, and for allegedly offering to fight as “mercenaries” for the group.

Assistant Attorney General John Demers said in a statement that people who seek to engage in terrorist activity will be held accountable, “no matter what witch’s brew of ideological motivations inspire” them.

Solomon and Teeter made their first court appearances via videoconference Friday in U.S. District Court. They were both appointed federal defenders, but attorneys were not immediately assigned to comment on their behalf.
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Floyd, a Black man, died May 25 after a white Minneapolis police officer pressed his knee against Floyd’s neck for nearly eight minutes, as Floyd repeatedly said he couldn’t breathe. His death, captured on bystander video, sparked protests in Minneapolis and beyond.

Authorities began investigating the Boogaloo Bois after learning that some members were discussing violence and were armed during the unrest in Minneapolis. Boogaloo supporters, who use the movement’s name as a slang term for a second civil war or collapse of civilization, frequently show up at protests armed with rifles and wearing Hawaiian shirts.

According to an FBI affidavit, Solomon posted a message on Facebook on May 26 asking people to contact him on an encrypted platform. That same day, Teeter publicly posted: “Lock and load boys. Boog flags are in the air, and the national network is going off.” His public posts show he then traveled from North Carolina to Minnesota.

A witness told the FBI that Solomon was seen openly carrying a firearm and said he was part of a Boogaloo Bois subgroup called the “Boojahideen,” and was willing to protect the witness from police, white supremacists and looters. Solomon allegedly said his mission was to get police out of the city. Later, the witness invited Solomon, Teeter and another person to stay at the witness’s house, where they spoke about committing acts of violence against police and other targets, the affidavit says.

The witness said Solomon and Teeter talked about attacking a National Guard Armory to steal weapons and bombs. A paid informant, whom Teeter and Solomon believed to belong to Hamas, later recorded a conversation in which Solomon, Teeter and another person talked about shooting police.

During many conversations, Solomon and Teeter told the informant that the views of Hamas — a Palestinian Islamic political party — aligned with their own anti-government views and that they wanted to work as “mercenaries” on behalf of Hamas’ armed wing so they could earn cash for the Boogaloo movement. They said they needed money to recruit members and buy land for a Boogaloo training compound.

According to the affidavit, they came up with a plot to blow up a historical county courthouse in northern Minnesota so they could “make a statement,” but then delayed that plan. Solomon later said: “I want to murder a bunch of U.S. politicians. That’s the statement I want to make.”

Solomon and Teeter met an undercover FBI employee, whom they believed to be a more senior member of Hamas, and offered to build firearms suppressors and other weapons for the group. They believed the suppressors they sold went to Hamas to be used overseas to attack Israeli and U.S. forces, the affidavit said.

When the undercover FBI employee asked to explain killing politicians, Solomon said he would “build a gallows ... in front of the Congress building in D.C. and just start hanging politicians left and right.” When discussing possible security, Teeter said he can shoot from a distance and, “you can’t stop threats that you can’t see,″ the affidavit said.

https://apnews.com/1c6bd2d39c9b44cb5aa5c77d887e4686

This is the first article since the arrests I've seen where they weren't called white supremacists.

Not sure what this has to do with rioting but I hope they spend significant time in jail.

"alleged" seems polite.

j/c:


https://twitter.com/wil_da_beast630/status/1303757184833126400

As you deny this is breitbart left. Bro, absolutely delusional behavior.

What are you talking about? That's the right commenting on the right! How is anything on the left breitbart? GMAB

j/c

Once again, 93% of all the protests have been peaceful. More news on the other 7# will be flooding in soon...

You talk as if 7% meaningless.

I know. I laugh every time he says it.

Depends on your definition of peaceful, I guess....

I can assure you that 93% of Browns home games aren't peaceful.

That is not meaningless. i think he point is that Trump et al is blowing the violence out of proportion. ALso, what portion of that 7% is instigatated by BLM protesters vs non-affiliated bad people just trying to take advantage of the situation vs right wing wackos looking to stir up trouble?

That. From one segment of the media - it is portrayed as if every peaceful protest ends in violence and our cities are aflame all over the country. The reality is different. As you say - where there is violence, what % is actors from the political left and right versus opportunistic hoodlums. It should matter - but of course ...

So. The lowbrow GOPer broad brush would have you believe it is ALL as in 100%, 7% is relatively low by comparison. I would venture to say the percentages of actual bigots, actual white supremacists, actual Nazis, and actual uneducated voters of the GOP under Trump is much higher than 7% EACH. And of the protesters rioting, looting, doing violent acts... I would be super surprised to find a percentage of under 20 percent of those being instigators from the right.

You can be both Pro-Police, and Anti-Police Brutality. No sane person is advocating a rogue police force who takes unilateral action against innocent people. None. We all agree on this and have common ground. Certainly not the people in Pittsburgh who's only offense was having a quiet dinner with a loved one at a street-side cafe. Those people aren't racists. Yet, they are attacked for being white and that's the very definition of being racist. Truly, it's unfortunate the message is being lost because of the messenger. I can never legitimately listen to your argument if you're going to attack innocent people. Innocent people who may feel the same way you do. Looting and rioting are wrong. If we can't agree on that, then maybe we don't have so much in common after all.

I think we all agree with your post.

Problem is some lefties are so fixated that they take anti police brutality too far and become anti police while many righties take those ridiculous few and attribute it to all the vocal anti police brutality people.

And I'm quite sure many here laugh when it is said.

But, what I find funnier has been the constant argument stance shifting that has transpired over these months of rioting and looting. Or has the cool kids say...."moving the goalposts."

First, when it happened, it was like:
Yes fight back....who cares if it's businesses. They have insurance! It's time to fight fire with fire!

Then when it continued to get out of hand and many were tying Antifa-related groups to the constant looting and rioting:
HA!..Antifa? That not even a real group and no one can prove these types of groups are behind it!

Then, once it became rather obvious Antifa were leading many of these events, particularly in the NW, the stance became:
Well, we still know the majority of these riots are being led/organized by white supremacists!

When that claim ended up going nowhere, it shifted again to:
This only happened when the Feds showed up! It's all their fault!

We know that, too, is clearly not true so the 93/7 argument is the next take in an attempt to downplay what we have all seen daily. It is rather funny yet disgusting. Hell, maybe I'm missing another goal post move before this one. There have been so many!!

Bro you constantly ignore the fact that there’s tons of right wing/white supremacist losers involved in these riots.

You literally blow past it every time, yet got the nerve to act like you have the moral high ground.

I’m glad you put me on ignore. You’re one of those ‘smile in your face then start posting on brietbart’ kinda dudes. All you do is react to the reaction and NEVER give your thoughts on the issues that actually sparked the protest/riots to begin with.