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Exploding like a 100 pound pile of TNT Just stay out of the chain explosions to follow bro. I've had to tell all the kids and grandkids not to come around while they are doing in person schooling. Heart breaking but necessary. I caved in. We avoided our kids and grandkids like the plague. But the last 6 weeks or so we have been around them every chance we get. If I kick the bucket because I AM SPENDING TIME LOVING MY KIDS AND GRANDKIDS THEN SO BE IT. It's well worth the risk for me
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We had them all for extended stays before school started up. But now back to social distancing.
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Sturgis Motorcycle Rally was 'superspreading event' that cost public health $12.2 billion: analysisThe Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota last month was a coronavirus “superspreading event” that led to an estimated $12.2 billion in public health costs, according to a new study by the IZA Institute of Labor Economics. The analysis tracked anonymized cellphone data from the 10-day event that showed “smartphone pings from non-residents” and “foot traffic at restaurants and bars, retail establishments, entertainment venues, hotels and campgrounds each rose substantially.” Stay-at-home hours for local residents fell during the same time period. Based on the increase in case count, the researchers group, estimated that cases connected to the gathering resulted in $12 billion in public health costs, not including the costs associated with any deaths that might be tied to cases from the event. That dollar amount is based on another estimation that an average of $46,000 is spent on each patient who tests positive for COVID-19. Researchers concluded that more than 266,000 cases were tied to the event attended by more than 460,000 individuals. Health officials have linked at least one death to the rally: a male biker in his 60s with underlying conditions. At least 260 cases in 11 states have been officially connected to the rally by government officials. The annual event ran from Aug. 7-16 and drew more than 365,00 vehicles, according to South Dakota’s Department of Transportation. Most people who attended the event did not take coronavirus precautions like wearing masks and social distancing, The Associated Press reported at the time. “The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally represents a situation where many of the ‘worst-case scenarios’ for superspreading occurred simultaneously: the event was prolonged, included individuals packed closely together, involved a large out-of-town population (a population that was orders of magnitude larger than the local population), and had low compliance with recommended infection countermeasures such as the use of masks,” the researchers wrote. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R), a staunch supporter of President Trump who was supportive of the Sturgis rally, disputed the analysis’s findings, calling it “fiction.” “This report isn’t science; it’s fiction,” Noem said in a statement. “Under the guise of academic research, this report is nothing short of an attack on those who exercised their personal freedom to attend Sturgis.” https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...hat-cost-publicDarwin at work.
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Many kids across the country are already in in-person school.
And Covid is exploding in those groups. No its not. The county next to mine has in person school and they are past the spike and down to quarantine (pre-economy opening) levels. Yesterday they had less than 10 new cases.
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Also there are numerous counties in Georgia that had 0-2 new cases in the last two weeks.
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Sturgis Motorcycle Rally was 'superspreading event' that cost public health $12.2 billion: analysisThe Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota last month was a coronavirus “superspreading event” that led to an estimated $12.2 billion in public health costs, according to a new study by the IZA Institute of Labor Economics. The analysis tracked anonymized cellphone data from the 10-day event that showed “smartphone pings from non-residents” and “foot traffic at restaurants and bars, retail establishments, entertainment venues, hotels and campgrounds each rose substantially.” Stay-at-home hours for local residents fell during the same time period. Based on the increase in case count, the researchers group, estimated that cases connected to the gathering resulted in $12 billion in public health costs, not including the costs associated with any deaths that might be tied to cases from the event. That dollar amount is based on another estimation that an average of $46,000 is spent on each patient who tests positive for COVID-19. Researchers concluded that more than 266,000 cases were tied to the event attended by more than 460,000 individuals. Health officials have linked at least one death to the rally: a male biker in his 60s with underlying conditions. At least 260 cases in 11 states have been officially connected to the rally by government officials. The annual event ran from Aug. 7-16 and drew more than 365,00 vehicles, according to South Dakota’s Department of Transportation. Most people who attended the event did not take coronavirus precautions like wearing masks and social distancing, The Associated Press reported at the time. “The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally represents a situation where many of the ‘worst-case scenarios’ for superspreading occurred simultaneously: the event was prolonged, included individuals packed closely together, involved a large out-of-town population (a population that was orders of magnitude larger than the local population), and had low compliance with recommended infection countermeasures such as the use of masks,” the researchers wrote. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R), a staunch supporter of President Trump who was supportive of the Sturgis rally, disputed the analysis’s findings, calling it “fiction.” “This report isn’t science; it’s fiction,” Noem said in a statement. “Under the guise of academic research, this report is nothing short of an attack on those who exercised their personal freedom to attend Sturgis.” https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...hat-cost-publicDarwin at work. I don't know the validity of all their claims. I am sure it's not total fiction, but maybe the numbers are "worst case" and not "best case"? .... but for those that keep quoting and mocking the initial estimates of cases and deaths that were based on taking no precautions like masks and social distancing, I'd think this is an indication of exactly how bad this would have been without those proactive measures.
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Many kids across the country are already in in-person school.
And Covid is exploding in those groups. No its not. The county next to mine has in person school and they are past the spike and down to quarantine (pre-economy opening) levels. Yesterday they had less than 10 new cases. Nevada also saw record lows in cases yesterday. To be fair, only private schools are in person. Public schools are all remote learning. I don't know the breakdown between the two, but I'm sure that public outnumber private. Although, there is a belief in Nevada that you can only get a good grade school education by going private because the public schools are ranked so low. It's like paying college tuition for 20 years.
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That dollar amount is based on another estimation that an average of $46,000 is spent on each patient who tests positive for COVID-19. I call BS on the 46k for each positive COVID test.
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Hopefully it's not ADE. If it's ADE, we're back to the drawing board on vaccine development. Information on ADE for everyone.
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Many kids across the country are already in in-person school.
I was not specific enough in my question... my bad. What I meant was... Once a vaccine is approved and available, then should a vaccination be mandatory for children in order for them to be allowed to be in school? Again, keep in mind... 1. Vaccination could be required 3X per year, so you need a help of a production effort and supply chain. 2. Young children are the most resilient against COVID, it is less deadly to them than seasonal influenza. 3. The vaccine will have been mostly tested against adults. 4. The immunity may become quickly obsolete quickly once COVID-19 mutates in response to the vaccine, likely within the first couple of years. 5. The government is considering granting drug companies protection against civil lawsuits in case there are severe side effects.
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I'm beginning to think that the numbers are being inflated for political reasons. I also think that those in real danger are people who have pre-existing conditions where any new health risks can be deadly. I have been talking to my kids and many of their friends and every single one of them said their Covid case was not nearly as bad as catching the flu. I am not stating that a statistical evidence [gotta put that in there because of 888 and Pit constantly misrepresenting what I am saying, and no, I will not respond to either one of you] but, I am just passing along information from folks who have had the virus and also from what my wife has told me.
Most won't like this one, but hospitals are getting big bucks for Covid cases and she said that Covid is being assigned to patients who were dying from other issues. Think Tom Seaver.
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If you notice its all the liberals doing the fear mongering, exaggerating and this  They are doing that as a political spin against Trump. This virus is burning itself out but you dont see that reported.
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Many kids across the country are already in in-person school.
And Covid is exploding in those groups. No its not. The county next to mine has in person school and they are past the spike and down to quarantine (pre-economy opening) levels. Yesterday they had less than 10 new cases. Also this is the same county that made national news in the liberal media that showed pictures of the kids in the hallway like cattle.
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Yeah, my daughter came over yesterday and was sharing stories about people they knew [including herself and fiance] who had Covid and then my wife dropped that bombshell on us about the money hospitals are getting for saying that their patients have Covid. I can't recall the exact number, but it was significant.
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I'm beginning to think that the numbers are being inflated for political reasons. This is 100% happening. that Covid is being assigned to patients who were dying from other issues. This is 100% happening.
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If you notice its all the liberals doing the fear mongering This is 100% happening. It's also why I do the sideways head tilt when the left talks about the right fear mongering.
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I'm beginning to think that the numbers are being inflated for political reasons. This is 100% happening. that Covid is being assigned to patients who were dying from other issues. This is 100% happening. The issue of patients who were dying of "other issues" has been discussed and put to bed. It's not being faked, but good conspiracy theories get washed and repeated no matter what. As for the Covid thing being inflated for political reasons and to help oust Trump? Sure - I guess the whole entire planet is on it. The entire world media. . . . they all want Trump out.
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Yep, people will find one or two articles from leftist medial outlets and then say that indisputable proof of something, but when one digs deeper and actually hears from people on the front line.........the truth is revealed.
It's a shame the left has to resort to making this virus political. Then again, they have no shame.
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You put a lot of things to bed once you've decided they've been vetted.
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Funny how Vers is happy to perpetuate n spread rumors about Tom Hanks and 'Hollywood elites' based on a proven FB lie then wants to call something i write fake, while providing a total lack of proof or supporting data for what he wants to suggest is happening .... whike also lacking guts to respond directly.
As to your post.?. I'm not vetting anything. When people die of 'covid' while also having an underlying health issues is being reported the same as, for example, when people died of aids. Someone smarter than me and who wasn't on a phone spelled out these facts the other day and provided official numbers. From memory 97% of covid deaths have an another underlying condition...... if someone is gravely ill but gets CV and dies when otherwise they would still be alive, how would you record the data?
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The Tom Hanks thing was dumb. We agree on that.
As to the rest, what about the guy that is asymptomatic and dies of a heart attack, tests positive for covid after his death, and the death certificate says covid? If you don't think that's happening, go and talk to people in the medical profession that know about these things. I know of two of these instances just in my inner circle.
No one is saying covid isn't real.
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The dude is making stuff up about the Tom Hanks thing. That is what he does. He lies. Read what I said. There were rumors out there. That isn't a lie. And I made comments before that. 888 misrepresents what I say all the time. He has been stalking me for quite some time.
I have begged him for us to ignore one another. He refuses to do that.
Anyway..............my wife works in a hospital and has been talking to doctors and nurses who work in multiple hospitals. The inflating of numbers is real. 888 making this personal does not change that fact.
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j/c: Coronavirus stimulus: What’s in Senate Republicans’ pared-down relief billJessica Smith Jessica Smith·Reporter September 8, 2020, 5:13 PM EDT Senate Republicans unveiled a pared-down coronavirus relief on Tuesday, as they returned to Washington after the August recess. Negotiations over the next round of aid have been stalled for weeks on Capitol Hill and there is still little evidence of bipartisan progress. On the Senate floor Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the Senate would consider the bill this week. Republicans aim to put pressure on Democrats with their so-called “skinny” relief bill, but the bill is not expected to advance through the Senate. It’s not clear if McConnell has 51 votes for the latest bill, let alone the 60 needed to overcome a filibuster. Republicans hold 53 seats in the Senate. The legislation is expected to cost roughly $500 billion, around half of what the GOP proposed in the HEALS Act earlier this summer. McConnell has struggled to unite his party and many of his own members rejected the first Republican proposal. In an attempt to keep costs down and satisfy Republicans who don’t want to spend additional money, the slimmed-down bill would repurpose hundreds of billions of dollars in unspent CARES Act funding. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Ky., center, walks to his office from the Senate floor, Tuesday, Sept. 8, 2020, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin) Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell of Ky., center, walks to his office from the Senate floor, Tuesday, Sept. 8, 2020, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Jacquelyn Martin) “We want to agree where bipartisan agreement is possible, get more help out the door, and then keep arguing over the rest later,” said McConnell on the Senate floor. “That’s how you legislate. That’s how you make law. You find agreement where agreement is possible and keep arguing over the rest later.” In a joint statement, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Minority Leader trashed the bill, saying it is “laden with poison pills Republicans know Democrats would never support” and “headed nowhere.” Small business aid The legislation would extend the Paycheck Protection Program to allow certain small businesses to receive a second, forgivable loan. About $130 billion remains in the program, but the administration stopped accepting applications when Congress let the program expire on Aug. 8. To qualify for a second loan, businesses must have fewer than 300 employees and would have to show a 35% revenue loss in a 2020 quarter compared to the same quarter in 2019. There is bipartisan support for additional small business aid, but without a broader stimulus package, small business relief remains caught in the gridlock. Enhanced unemployment insurance Republicans are proposing $300 per week in enhanced unemployment benefits, half of the weekly boost included in the CARES Act. The boosted benefits would continue through Dec. 27. After Congress failed to act when the $600 weekly benefit expired at the end of July, President Trump took executive action to create a $300 weekly boost — but that funding is expected to run out and critics say some unemployed workers could be falling through the cracks. A barber shop remains closed because of the coronavirus outbreak Tuesday, May 19, 2020, in Seattle. Washington state Gov. Jay Inslee on Tuesday announced $10 million in grants to small businesses in industries particularly hard-hit by the COVID-19 outbreak. They include restaurants, hair salons, fitness studios and theaters. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson) A barber shop remains closed because of the coronavirus outbreak Tuesday, May 19, 2020, in Seattle. Washington state Gov. Jay Inslee on Tuesday announced $10 million in grants to small businesses in industries particularly hard-hit by the COVID-19 outbreak. They include restaurants, hair salons, fitness studios and theaters. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson) Money for schools, childcare, testing & vaccines The new Republican bill includes $105 billion for schools, an additional $16 billion for coronavirus testing and contact tracing and $31 billion for vaccine development and distribution. It provides an additional $20 billion for farmers, $10 billion to forgive a United States Postal Service loan and $10 billion toward child care. Republicans have also included some liability protections from coronavirus lawsuits in the bill, an issue Republicans have made a top priority throughout the stimulus talks. “It does not contain every idea our party likes. I am confident Democrats will feel the same. Yet Republicans believe the many serious differences between our two parties should not stand in the way of agreeing where we can agree and making law that helps our nation,” said McConnell in a statement. No stimulus checks, state & local aid Missing from the latest bill is another round of direct payments to Americans — something the White House and Democrats have said they support. The relief package does not include funding for state and local governments either, which has long been a sticking point throughout the stimulus negotiations. With the election exactly eight weeks away, lawmakers are running out of time before they’re set to leave Washington to campaign in their home districts and states. Both sides are accusing each other of playing politics with COVID-19 relief, before voters head to the polls. U.S. Speaker of the House Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Minority Leader Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) come out to speak to members of the press after a meeting with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows at the U.S. Capitol August 7, 2020. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images) U.S. Speaker of the House Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Minority Leader Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) come out to speak to members of the press after a meeting with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows at the U.S. Capitol August 7, 2020. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images) Pelosi and Schumer said the Republican bill is “intended to help vulnerable Republican Senators by giving them a ‘check the box’ vote to maintain the appearance that they’re not held hostage by their extreme right-wing that doesn’t want to spend a nickel to help people.” McConnell slammed Pelosi for rejecting a piece-by-piece approach to stimulus, while taking up a bill solely focused on the U.S. Postal Service last month. He accused Democrats of holding up another round of relief in an effort to hurt President Trump ahead of the November election. “They do not want American families to see any more bipartisan aid before the polls close on President Trump’s re-election. They have taken Americans’ health, jobs, and schools hostage for perceived partisan gain,” said McConnell. It’s not clear when the two sides may restart bipartisan negotiations. Jessica Smith is a reporter for Yahoo Finance based in Washington, D.C. Follow her on Twitter at @JessicaASmith8. https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/coron...-211317844.html
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Trump, supporters gather without masks in NC despite request from local GOP officialPresident Trump and scores of supporters gathered for a rally in Winston-Salem, N.C., on Tuesday without masks, despite the urging of a local Republican official and a state mandate. Dave Plyler, the GOP chairman of the Forsyth County Board of Commissioners, told The Winston-Salem Journal that he felt Trump should abide by Gov. Roy Cooper's (D) order for individuals to wear a face covering when unable to socially distance. "It's been ordered by the governor," Plyler told the news outlet. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do. When in North Carolina, do as the governor says." But Trump, who has only worn a mask a few times in public, did not wear a face covering while in North Carolina. And only a smattering of supporters could be seen wearing masks, some with "MAGA" emblazoned on them. During his remarks, Trump mocked Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) over the controversy surrounding her visit to a salon where she was caught on camera not wearing a mask. He also quipped that the rally should be considered a "peaceful protest" to avoid violating rules that limit the size of public gatherings. Trump has largely forgone wearing a mask on camera and has openly mocked Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden for wearing one. Public health experts, including officials in the Trump administration, have cited the use of face coverings as one of the most effective ways to slow the spread of the coronavirus. White House chief of staff Mark Meadows earlier Tuesday dismissed the need for Trump to wear a mask, noting he is tested daily. "When you wear a mask it's really for others' protection, not for your own protection," Meadows told reporters. The U.S. has 6.3 million reported COVID-19 cases, the most of any country in the world. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/51...-from-local-gop
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Funny how Vers is happy to perpetuate n spread rumors about Tom Hanks and 'Hollywood elites' based on a proven FB lie
Nope - no lie or misrepresentation of what you did. You perpetuated - as in repeated and spread - a rumor that was false and proven false before you posted it. There is no manipulation of what you said or did. No taking something out of context. What I wrote is EXACTLY what you did. You calling anything that proves your hypocrisy a lie and claiming to be a victim does not make it so.
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The Tom Hanks thing was dumb. We agree on that.
As to the rest, what about the guy that is asymptomatic and dies of a heart attack, tests positive for covid after his death, and the death certificate says covid? If you don't think that's happening, go and talk to people in the medical profession that know about these things. I know of two of these instances just in my inner circle.
No one is saying covid isn't real. So if someone is asymptomatic, with no underlying conditions, drops dead from a heart-attack, what's the cause of death? I don't know. I don't know if you (or a medical expert) can tell whether or not the person in your scenario would be alive if they had not caught CV-19? In a quick google search to see if you can find out how many deaths have occurred in Asymptomatic CV-19 ... There is not a lot specifically I found: An article from India - https://www.deccanherald.com/city/top-be...ent-857975.htmlAnd then another sort of related talking about lung damage sustained by people who are asymptomatic ... https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-asymptomatic-people-can-still-develop-lung-damage-141154Silent lung damage
I quickly learned that many patients with advanced COVID-19 disease bore none of the hallmarks of severe respiratory illness until they suddenly collapsed and died. The science behind this early lesson is now emerging, with a study from Wuhan, China, describing pathological lung changes on CT scans of completely asymptomatic patients. Asymptomatic carriage is not uncommon in other virulent infections, such as MRSA and C diff, but what is striking with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) is that it may be accompanied by underlying organ damage.Bottom line is that I personally don't believe the medical community it trying to inflate deaths or manipulate data. In your scenario - idk the answer, but I suspect that the number of those types of scenario are minute. a fraction of 1% of all cases. I'll continue to trust the science.
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Sturgis Motorcycle Rally was 'superspreading event' that cost public health $12.2 billion: analysisThe Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota last month was a coronavirus “superspreading event” that led to an estimated $12.2 billion in public health costs, according to a new study by the IZA Institute of Labor Economics. The analysis tracked anonymized cellphone data from the 10-day event that showed “smartphone pings from non-residents” and “foot traffic at restaurants and bars, retail establishments, entertainment venues, hotels and campgrounds each rose substantially.” Stay-at-home hours for local residents fell during the same time period. Based on the increase in case count, the researchers group, estimated that cases connected to the gathering resulted in $12 billion in public health costs, not including the costs associated with any deaths that might be tied to cases from the event. That dollar amount is based on another estimation that an average of $46,000 is spent on each patient who tests positive for COVID-19. Researchers concluded that more than 266,000 cases were tied to the event attended by more than 460,000 individuals. Health officials have linked at least one death to the rally: a male biker in his 60s with underlying conditions. At least 260 cases in 11 states have been officially connected to the rally by government officials. The annual event ran from Aug. 7-16 and drew more than 365,00 vehicles, according to South Dakota’s Department of Transportation. Most people who attended the event did not take coronavirus precautions like wearing masks and social distancing, The Associated Press reported at the time. “The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally represents a situation where many of the ‘worst-case scenarios’ for superspreading occurred simultaneously: the event was prolonged, included individuals packed closely together, involved a large out-of-town population (a population that was orders of magnitude larger than the local population), and had low compliance with recommended infection countermeasures such as the use of masks,” the researchers wrote. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R), a staunch supporter of President Trump who was supportive of the Sturgis rally, disputed the analysis’s findings, calling it “fiction.” “This report isn’t science; it’s fiction,” Noem said in a statement. “Under the guise of academic research, this report is nothing short of an attack on those who exercised their personal freedom to attend Sturgis.” https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...hat-cost-publicDarwin at work. I read this same article at a different source,which included differing views on the validity of the findings of this report. Oddly enough,it didnot include these words; " a staunch supporter of President Trump"
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This isn't a science question. At least not to me. I am not disputing the existence of Covid nor am I advocating not being safe. I am simply saying I don't believe the death numbers are accurate and that they are as high as is being reported. And I'm not talking about the 6% or whatever it is the CDC said were covid only deaths i.e., no other underlying conditions reported. I believe the number is higher than that because I think it makes logical sense that covid has accelerated death with people in underlying conditions.
Let me ask this - do you believe the number of deaths being reported due to or caused by covid is exact, high, or low?
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But it's not political!
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This isn't a science question. At least not to me. I am not disputing the existence of Covid nor am I advocating not being safe. I am simply saying I don't believe the death numbers are accurate and that they are as high as is being reported. And I'm not talking about the 6% or whatever it is the CDC said were covid only deaths i.e., no other underlying conditions reported. I believe the number is higher than that because I think it makes logical sense that covid has accelerated death with people in underlying conditions.
Let me ask this - do you believe the number of deaths being reported due to or caused by covid is exact, high, or low? Well the other aspect which I omitted was the factual data that supports that we are probably under-counting deaths based on statistics. Here and around the globe. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53073046So ... are there recorded deaths that might or should not be attributed to CV-19 ? Yes, certainly. Are there as many or more deaths not recorded to Covid that statistics indicate that Covid is probably the cause? Probably. Is the difference one way or the other something that is pivotal or crucial? I don't think so. And yes - this isn't a science question per-se .... but the implications of people repeating that the death toll or the cases are being manipulated for the political goal of making Trump look bad certainly has the potential to impact how the real science is received and accepted/disputed. Look at how the initial reports that were based on no action being taken (masks, social distancing etc) have since been abused to try and dismiss the 194K deaths as somehow being insignificant.
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But it's not political!
LOL It's very political and it's a shame that both sides care more about politics than they do human lives. Clem and I were discussing how America was always known to unite during a crisis. That is no longer the case. And the left's constant attempts at making this a political issue is shameful. With that said, if there was a Dem in office, the right would be doing the same thing. The morals of our population and especially the media, are at an all-time low.
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There has been some data available on "excess death" count, which is the number of deaths exceeding the expected number of deaths based on past trends. Based on those statistics, we have seen a bubble of roughly 200K excess deaths corresponding to roughly the same time frame as COVID spread.
Those deaths could be due to a number of other things, but it does suggest to me that the COVID death count is in the right ball park. -And whether the death count is 100K or 200K, it really doesn't change our strategy in my mind.
I think the more important data is the trend that you alluded to. What has been demonstrated time after time in multiple locations is that we don't need to get to 75% infection rate before we see the death rate drop dramatically. It seems that a lot of the population already has strengthened immunity against the virus due to a variety of factors and I think the worst is over for states like Florida and countries like Sweden.
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I hope you are right, my concern is the data that is suggesting only short term immunity.
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‘Forcing boys to wear masks is emasculating’: GOP QAnon candidate defies CDC guidance on face coverings https://www.yahoo.com/news/forcing-boys-wear-masks-emasculating-190127759.htmlThe right wing clown show will say anything.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
- Theodore Roosevelt
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Here's some data that I think is pretty interesting from Spain and France. Unfortunately, I cannot paste the images in, so you have to go the website, but check out the Daily infection rate and Daily death rate. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/What's interesting about them is that they both already had large second waves of infections. You can see it in the daily infection rate graph. If you check out the daily death rate graph, you will see that it is not what you would have predicted given the infection rate. The second wave is causing very few deaths. I am not 100% sure all the reasons for this, but it is a reason to be optimistic.
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Also, football helmets are only for sissies, so we should get rid of those too.
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I use that same site. What worries me about the USA is that if you look at our curve - we never got out of the first wave, and our rates are worse now than March / April. Yes, there is a lot more testing, but our testing is in line with a few other countries per Million. We're still learning. A vaccine will help - but then there will be an unknown factor due to timing and the rush to get the vaccine out... talking of which has anyone seen any reporting on the Russian vaccine that was touted a few weeks ago?
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Funny how Vers is happy to perpetuate n spread rumors about Tom Hanks and 'Hollywood elites' based on a proven FB lie
Nope - no lie or misrepresentation of what you did. You perpetuated - as in repeated and spread - a rumor that was false and proven false before you posted it. There is no manipulation of what you said or did. No taking something out of context. What I wrote is EXACTLY what you did. You calling anything that proves your hypocrisy a lie and claiming to be a victim does not make it so. Well he IS a TRUMPIAN now...
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