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I use that same site. What worries me about the USA is that if you look at our curve - we never got out of the first wave, and our rates are worse now than March / April. Yes, there is a lot more testing, but our testing is in line with a few other countries per Million. We're still learning. A vaccine will help - but then there will be an unknown factor due to timing and the rush to get the vaccine out... talking of which has anyone seen any reporting on the Russian vaccine that was touted a few weeks ago? There is more testing, but the information is being censored by the white house so who knows what the hell is really going on... It will be years before all the truth comes out.
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Please go to that thread and read exactly what I said. He is making things up, yet again. And leave it to you to blindly believe him. It's all you guys do. You pick on people who don't agree w/you all the time. Most people w/opposing views won't even post in this forum anymore because you, 888, Pit, Perfect, Rocket, etc attack them that it's not worth the effort.
There is one good outcome from your bullying attacks. I was always a Dem. Never voted for a Republican in my life, but when I noticed that you guys were so unfair, I began to do a lot of research. Thus, your loud, one-sided, bullying tactics actually helped convince me to change alliances.
I tried warning you guys before the last election about such abusive behavior. Immediately after Trump won, I tried telling you that being so abrasive was not the way to win votes. I continually told you that sometimes less is more and not to become what you hate. You didn't listen.
You have reaped what you have sown. These are not insults.
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HA! Your rhetoric has insulted me 20 times in the last week, so you get what you get. I believe him over you any and every day. You have zero credibility with me. But I know how to keep the politics in PP, so in the rest of the forums we are just like e have always been. But in here, nope, not playing your silly games. Trump sucks and if you support him, everything he does is the same as you doing it. So when Antifa comes to your neighborhood, don't call me to call them off...
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He lied. Once again, please read what I wrote about Hanks.
I'm cool w/you trashing me, but sorry dawg, we won't be "cool" in any forum. I'll never associate w/those who continually display poor character and resort to lies to win an argument.
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Whatever, that's on you. I just won't be attacking you for your silly political views in the other forums, but in here you are fair game.
EDIT: Display poor character and resort to lies, you have a lot of damn gual! Trump is your guy and there is no lower character or anyone who lies more! Kick rocks.
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A Bunch of Scattered Thoughts on The "Second Wave" Info:
1.) It is really silly to talk about "Countries" as some sort of contiguous region. Individual cities, or even individual neighborhoods inside the same cities, have had very different exposures.
Italy is having a second wave. But Bergano is not. During Italy's first wave, places like Rome were largely spared (they went into lock down early, while the infection was still mostly in the Milan region).
In the US, NYC has not had a second wave. The "Second Wave" occurred in the South, which was really the first wave there -- because they were not hit that hard in April.
Concerning, the Midwest has not really been hit hard yet by either wave.
2.) The number of tests (and the reliability of testing) has gone up a lot since April. Any outbreaks now are going to look much less deadly (in terms of deaths/cases) -- than the numbers in April. But that is because we find a lot more non-severe cases.
3.) Hospitals have also gotten better at saving people. Others here can talk about this more -- but I think there were two main developments:
(1) realizing that Covid-19 causes severe clotting issues, and anti-coagulants should be a standard of care in hospital settings (even for people not currently showing signs of stroke),
(2) realizing that people have very low O2 numbers without necessarily needing to be ventilated. A switch to more "assisted breathing and high-oxygen environments" in lieu of immediately ventilating, has seemed to produce much better outcomes.
The data seems to support that hospitalized patients are only about half as likely to die now as they were in March/April.
4.) The totality of the data still seems to report long-lasting immunity. I don't think the individual stories of re-infections are at all important for what will happen to the average person.
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A 28-year-old elementary teacher dies three days after coronavirus diagnosis in South Carolina(CNN)An elementary school teacher died of coronavirus complications a week into the start of the school year in South Carolina. Demetria Bannister was diagnosed with the virus Friday and died Monday. The 28-year-old had taught at the Windsor Elementary School in Columbia for five years, CNN affiliate WIS reported. She started her third year of teaching third-grade students on August 31. In addition to teaching, Bannister was also passionate about music, and worked with the school choir in various projects. She also hosted a student club for aspiring singers. "Known as Windsor's Songbird, Ms. Bannister used her musical talents to bring a great deal of joy to our school," said Denise Quickel, principal of Windsor Elementary. At a school attendance event last year, she wrote a song about the importance of not missing classes to the tune of "Old Town Road," the popular song by rapper Lil Nas X. "The song and video were a big hit with our school family," Quickel said. "Ms. Bannister loved her students and never missed an opportunity to advocate for students and public education." She was at the school on August 28The school district was notified that she tested positive for coronavirus Friday. It followed the procedures for disinfecting, contact tracing and notification of close contacts. The contact tracing and notification were based on the date she was last at the elementary school, which was August 28, the school district said. She started the school year three days later teaching her students virtually from home. "While gone from us too soon, Ms. Bannister's legacy lives on through the lives of the students she taught in her five years as a dedicated educator," said Baron R. Davis, superintendent for Richland School District Two. School district officials said her parents allowed them to share the information to remind others of coronavirus risks. Employees and students at Windsor Elementary School are getting counseling services. Since January, health authorities have identified more than 6.3 million Covid-19 cases and nearly 191,000 deaths in the United States. South Carolina has had more than 126,000 infections and over 2,900 deaths. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/us/demetria-bannister-teacher-coronavirus-death-trnd/index.htmlLet's add another human face to the story of covid...
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Anyways....after nearly 1 million dead worldwide US leads the way in how NOT to handle a pandemic of an airborne killer disease.
So trump’s move is to ..............admit he lied to the american people. He knew it was airborne feb 8th. He wasted a month saying it would go away. He failed to protect us by closing our boarders to all countries immediately when he knew how dangerous it was. He knew it was effecting kids as well. Trump failed us all. Anyone that can support and vote for a potus that admits he lied to US is not a patriot but a traitor. Trump is a derelict. And he’s in “dereliction of duty”
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Sturgis Motorcycle Rally was 'superspreading event' that cost public health $12.2 billion: analysisThe Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota last month was a coronavirus “superspreading event” that led to an estimated $12.2 billion in public health costs, according to a new study by the IZA Institute of Labor Economics. The analysis tracked anonymized cellphone data from the 10-day event that showed “smartphone pings from non-residents” and “foot traffic at restaurants and bars, retail establishments, entertainment venues, hotels and campgrounds each rose substantially.” Stay-at-home hours for local residents fell during the same time period. Based on the increase in case count, the researchers group, estimated that cases connected to the gathering resulted in $12 billion in public health costs, not including the costs associated with any deaths that might be tied to cases from the event. That dollar amount is based on another estimation that an average of $46,000 is spent on each patient who tests positive for COVID-19. Researchers concluded that more than 266,000 cases were tied to the event attended by more than 460,000 individuals. Health officials have linked at least one death to the rally: a male biker in his 60s with underlying conditions. At least 260 cases in 11 states have been officially connected to the rally by government officials. The annual event ran from Aug. 7-16 and drew more than 365,00 vehicles, according to South Dakota’s Department of Transportation. Most people who attended the event did not take coronavirus precautions like wearing masks and social distancing, The Associated Press reported at the time. “The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally represents a situation where many of the ‘worst-case scenarios’ for superspreading occurred simultaneously: the event was prolonged, included individuals packed closely together, involved a large out-of-town population (a population that was orders of magnitude larger than the local population), and had low compliance with recommended infection countermeasures such as the use of masks,” the researchers wrote. South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R), a staunch supporter of President Trump who was supportive of the Sturgis rally, disputed the analysis’s findings, calling it “fiction.” “This report isn’t science; it’s fiction,” Noem said in a statement. “Under the guise of academic research, this report is nothing short of an attack on those who exercised their personal freedom to attend Sturgis.” https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...hat-cost-publicDarwin at work. I don't refute their findings, but the $$ seems off 12,000,000,000 / 266,000 = 451,127.82 per case That seems excessive.
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I use that same site. What worries me about the USA is that if you look at our curve - we never got out of the first wave, and our rates are worse now than March / April. Yes, there is a lot more testing, but our testing is in line with a few other countries per Million. We're still learning. A vaccine will help - but then there will be an unknown factor due to timing and the rush to get the vaccine out... talking of which has anyone seen any reporting on the Russian vaccine that was touted a few weeks ago? I think looking at the US, as a whole, isn't what we should be doing. Since the beginning, isolated pockets have driven the US numbers... and that has continued to today. The virus has seemed to 'spread out' a little more, but the overall US number is still largely driven by a small number of hotspots.
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I don't refute their findings, but the $$ seems off
12,000,000,000 / 266,000 = 451,127.82 per case
That seems excessive.
Your math is off by a factor of 10, it is $45,112.78 per case. I agree that this still seems high.
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I don't refute their findings, but the $$ seems off
12,000,000,000 / 266,000 = 451,127.82 per case
That seems excessive.
Your math is off by a factor of 10, it is $45,112.78 per case. I agree that this still seems high. Thanks. Missed a zero when dividing the 266,000
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I use that same site. What worries me about the USA is that if you look at our curve - we never got out of the first wave, and our rates are worse now than March / April. Yes, there is a lot more testing, but our testing is in line with a few other countries per Million. We're still learning. A vaccine will help - but then there will be an unknown factor due to timing and the rush to get the vaccine out... talking of which has anyone seen any reporting on the Russian vaccine that was touted a few weeks ago? I think looking at the US, as a whole, isn't what we should be doing. Since the beginning, isolated pockets have driven the US numbers... and that has continued to today. The virus has seemed to 'spread out' a little more, but the overall US number is still largely driven by a small number of hotspots. That's very fair and very true. But whichever way you look at it, we are in bad shape and the EU countries that went HARD for social distancing and mandating masks early truly flattened their curves, squashed them. Whether you look at states or cities and pockets, we've really struggled to flatten the curve let alone squash it.
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People have now listed Doctors and scientists findings as "political" because what they say doesn't follow their agenda. Murica!
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"The result was a predictable impasse and partisan tit for tat as the congressional session limps to its preelection close."
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I don't refute their findings, but the $$ seems off
12,000,000,000 / 266,000 = 451,127.82 per case
That seems excessive.
Your math is off by a factor of 10, it is $45,112.78 per case. I agree that this still seems high. Just how much do you think somebody's bill would be for 2 or three weeks in the ICU on a vent???
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I don't refute their findings, but the $$ seems off
12,000,000,000 / 266,000 = 451,127.82 per case
That seems excessive.
Your math is off by a factor of 10, it is $45,112.78 per case. I agree that this still seems high. Just how much do you think somebody's bill would be for 2 or three weeks in the ICU on a vent??? If you got out with only $45G in debt you’d be lucky.
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A boat load. But, were 266,000 put in ICU? Were 266,000 even hospitalized?
Or, as fits with numbers around here, about 10% of positives get hospitalized, and about 3% go to ICU.
Did 266,000 GET it at the rally? How many had it before the rally?
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I don't refute their findings, but the $$ seems off
12,000,000,000 / 266,000 = 451,127.82 per case
That seems excessive.
Your math is off by a factor of 10, it is $45,112.78 per case. I agree that this still seems high. Just how much do you think somebody's bill would be for 2 or three weeks in the ICU on a vent??? Oh - totally. $1M or so. But about 90% of cases probably cost <$1000 in medical expenses, a few percent costs ~100k or more, and maybe 1/10 of 1% cost 1M. I don't think it is insanely off -- i would have guessed the price was 10-20k/case? But they may also be including time off work, etc... which would increase the costs.
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I don't think you would get out with less than 450K at a minimum. I have racked up over $1,250,000 myself the last 5 1/2 years.
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Then cut all of those figures in half. And if people had it before the rally, wouldn't you have to agree that spreading it happened AT the rally? And of course people who went to the rally had it or it couldn't have been spread among everyone else and taken from there and spread into other communities. That's sort of how a virus works. Actually, that's exactly how a virus works.
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A boat load. But, were 266,000 put in ICU? Were 266,000 even hospitalized?
Or, as fits with numbers around here, about 10% of positives get hospitalized, and about 3% go to ICU.
Did 266,000 GET it at the rally? How many had it before the rally? We have NO idea how many will die from this, or how many will be in ICU, on vents, in the Hospital. Lets just say anybody who attended was damn lucky to not get lost on the way there. I has to be tough going through life with an IQ in the single digits like those who attended.
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What's up with the mask wearing just below the nose?
I'm seeing this more and more.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
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What's up with the mask wearing just below the nose?
I'm seeing this more and more.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Yes.
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What's up with the mask wearing just below the nose?
I'm seeing this more and more.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose? See my quote about single digit IQ's
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It seems like a passive aggressive move.
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I have actually gotten some take out from people doing the mask under nose thing. So we go conservative and reheat the food when we get home.
I went to the dentist yesterday. My hygienist is this super sweet older lady who lost her husband a few years ago like a year after he retired. Your heart just breaks for her. Anyway, she loves to talk (what's up with hygienists who talk your ear off while they have scalpels in your mouth and are expecting you to carry on a conversation?). So I get into the seat and she is talking my ear off. She has a mask, I don't because I'm about to get my mouth worked on. She pokes around a little, then the dentist comes in and pokes around a little, then right before the cleaning she puts on the full face shield. Why not just put it on from the very beginning?
They did make me do something interesting. I had to wash my mouth out with water and peroxide before they started. Talk about nasty. Almost threw up.
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It seems like a passive aggressive move. I know it is not confined to them, but I see Cleveland Indians' players do this daily when I watch the games. I get it is a more confined environment and some players/coaches don't wear them at all, but if they are going to wear them, wear them correctly.
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I don't know why any sports players are wearing them. Mike Dantoni wears it on the sideline. He is likely in the safest place in the country.
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I don't know why any sports players are wearing them. Mike Dantoni wears it on the sideline. He is likely in the safest place in the country. I haven't been watching the NBA at all.....is he the only coach wearing one?
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While he's coaching, I think so. I don't recall seeing another coach do it while they're coaching.
There are others on the sidelines wearing them as well.
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Anyway, she loves to talk (what's up with hygienists who talk your ear off while they have scalpels in your mouth and are expecting you to carry on a conversation?). I like when your dentist tries to speak with you when your mouth is numb, cotton rolls are packed in your gumline, you've got a bite block in and you're doing all you can not to choke on your saliva because your hygienist is no longer paying attention to sucking out your saliva because they're now paying attention to the conversation your dentist is trying to have with you. My only guess would be they waited to put the face shield on until the cleaning would be because when they're poking around debris is not flying around, once the power tools enter...look out!
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Franmil Reyes wears his all the times, even at bat.
I wonder if it's just become such a habit they don't really notice or want a pic of themselves with the mask on for their next baseball card. A story to tell the grand kids someday.
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Franmil Reyes wears his all the times, even at bat. That's immediately who I thought of when posting that, but below the nose. Lindor does it too.
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What's up with the mask wearing just below the nose?
I'm seeing this more and more.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Yes. Yep, that's about 30% here. It's a protest I think. Or a middle finger to those at high risk.
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I went to the dentist today. New, to me, hygienist. She wasn't the most gentle, but she knew when I shut my mouth it was just to swallow spit.
She went to town cleaning and scraping. What used to be a 40 minute or so dental visit was, today, a total of 30 minutes, which included waiting for the dentist to come, poke the one filling I have, and say "teeth are great".
I told him I liked the lady that cleaned my teeth - point blank on the job. Get in, get it done, get out.
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What's up with the mask wearing just below the nose?
I'm seeing this more and more.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Not as a chin guard.
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Trump Said He’d Give Himself An 'A' For His Handling Of COVID-19 https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-coronavirus-bob-woodward-030000687.htmlHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
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