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How often to these folks get MRI scans?

Being that myocarditis has no symptoms and is often never identified unless something causes concern to do an MRI. And it is often caused by viral infections, so being COVID positive seems likely to cause it. But I also believe it is not permanent.

But if you think about it, don't we live in a country with pretty much all monopolies.

I think if some disagree, they just don't see it yet.

it's tricky, think of the internet, and as long as they "change" the monopoly every 7-10 years, they can just keep only having one, but people won't wise up and then they won't complain.

(Alright, perfectionists,it's not a monopoly because mono means one, and I'm talking about a group- small group of choices,
well that means there's not a monopoly, right,

No! Even in the internet, which is supposed to be freedome to access anything in the world,

(you see the point is, 5 choices isn't competition, 50 choices is)

But, Ok, insurance monopolies, see the BIG GUYS, the ones controlling our puppet sticks, the puppeteers behind society,
They not only set up the monopoly of something like insurance, but then create another separate monopoly for discount insurance, and if necessary, one for premium high class insurance.

Funny how, only competition, even limited competition, doesn't show up until multiple countries get involved.

hmm. Monopolies in all walks of life.

Go try a Jack Daniels wiskey, .. aw c'mon, but there's Jim Beam, no monopoly.

Yes but again my point, -5- choices is not competition, -50- is.

How about Ameican beer? 5 choices or 50,
What about, Soda.

But wait there're energy drinks, ok, energy drinks,
-5- choices or -50-

How about chicken centered, fast food restaurant chain,
How about Fish centered, fast food restaurant chain,

It's not so bad, we live in a world of monopolies

Well we have, one passenger train company, and One passenger Bus country,
But we have -3- package delivery companies, no monopoly there,

Who collects the garbage, one of 5 companies but they have a monopoly for the area.

Go see a movie. Columbus is a gem here, (I've been told, Columbus is, well not unique, but some cities don't have the choice, see we are home to -6- major movie distributions, AMC, Cinemark, Lowes, General Cinnema, and 2 more I can't remember off my head.

But still, just like wireless companies, cable companies,
everything is a monopoly containing -5- choices,

and often times a lesser competitor will be added to assure if a big monopoly fails
there's a company already waiting in the wings already set up.
Tesla motors, how many compeitors from the USA does Ford have anyway. -5- or -50-

People don't have a choice in anything.

Or, people have -4- choices they can make on Everything.
Bliss!

I have most likely mentioned this before, but I am an adjunct professor at OSU. I had heard the 5.5% threshold and noticed that while the rate did eclipse that, they are still having classes in person.

I teach two courses, meeting two evenings a week. The message from the students at the end of Spring was that they preferred in-person to on-line. They signed up for in-person and wanted the campus experience.

OSU is offering in-person where the size of the room will allow the enrolled students to maintain a safe distance. I have not heard an official number but was told that it is about 40% of the classes being held in-person. As I am in the evening where the demand for rooms is not great, my department asked me if I would be willing to teach in-person as they would be able to schedule large rooms. I said OK, and so far so good.

I think the university is doing what they can. More than half of the classrooms are locked for the semester. A student cannot pop in one to study. The rooms in use have had about 2/3 of chairs/desks removed. The spots where the remaining desks or chairs are to be are clearly marked. Easy to see if one is moved. My students have been responsible. I have not had to remind anyone to wear a mask or to move a safe distance away. I have a wireless mic that I am keeping with me for the semester. Everyone who is on campus received a kit with 2 branded masks, a thermometer, hand sanitizer and wipes.

It is odd to see how few people are on campus. I used to have to circle the garage to find a space, I now have a level to myself. I am pleased with OSU's measures and efforts to date. It is up to the students to do their part, so we can finish the semester on campus. Thanksgiving at least - campus is shutting down at Thanksgiving as they realize students will go home for the long weekend.

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Imagine if you played for a quality Big 10 or Pac 12 team and sat behind a guy who was a high draft choice and you are just about to get your chance to prove your worth and your conference pulls the plug on your season.

Now, think about how you might have a younger sibling in high school or middle school and they are playing football while you are not permitted to do so.

Imagine walking around campus and seeing hundreds of students congregating in close quarters while you are not permitted to pursue your dreams.

The university presidents are playing politics and once again, the student athletes are at the bottom of the proverbial totem pole.

Thank you for sharing - really interesting to hear.

A hoax huh?
Want to come to work with me this morning? I have six patients to see. Two are COVID positive.

Put this in the political forum where this BS belongs.

Health experts and safety are not political.

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Here is more thorough article on the Midwestern politicians urging the Big 10 to reconsider their decision.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/in-letter-1...-165016090.html

I find it hilarious how people get angry when they claim players are bringing politics into sports. Then when it suits them, they love seeing politics being involved in sports.

Methinks the last thing MUshigan politician Lee Chatfield wants to see is the Buckeye Furious kicking them around again.

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There is more to the article but I only copied the relative part

Severe COVID-19 riskier than heart attack for young adults; antibiotic shows no benefit

Reuters
Nancy Lapid
,Reuters•September 9, 2020


By Nancy Lapid

(Reuters) - The following is a roundup of some of the latest scientific studies on the novel coronavirus and efforts to find treatments and vaccines for COVID-19, the illness caused by the virus.

More young adults survive heart attacks than severe COVID-19

Among COVID-19 patients treated at 419 U.S. hospitals from April through June, only about 5% were ages 18 to 34. But that group had "substantial rates of adverse outcomes," according to a report on Wednesday in JAMA Internal Medicine.

Roughly one in five needed intensive care, one in 10 needed mechanical ventilation, and nearly 3% died. While the mortality rate is lower than in older adults, it is roughly double the death rate of young adults from heart attacks, the authors say. Obesity, high blood pressure, and diabetes were tied to higher risk for adverse events. For young adults with more than one of these conditions, the risk of a bad outcome was similar to middle-aged adults without the risk factors. More than half of hospitalized young adults were Black or Hispanic, "consistent with prior findings of disproportionate illness severity in these demographic groups," the authors said. "Given the sharply rising rates of COVID-19 infection in young adults, these findings underscore the importance of infection prevention measures in this age group," the concluded.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/severe-covid-19-riskier-heart-190554603.html

Once again, other conferences are playing. Players in the Big 10 want to play. Their parents want them to play. The coaches want to play. Any player/parent who wants to opt out would have the ability to do so.

I do not understand why the Big 10 needs to cancel the season when the SEC, ACC, Big 12, the armed forces academies, smaller teams across the country are all playing. I also think it is absurd that middle schoolers are playing and college kids trying to make it to the NFL are not permitted to.

And once again, I would be fine if all conferences and independents chose not to play. But, you can't tell me that Big 10 players are more at risk than SEC players, or ACC players, or any of the schools in states like Texas, Florida, etc.

J/C

Although it’s expected all year, it still stinks to see games get PPD or Canceled at the last minute. Tough time to be a coach or student athlete with all of the unknowns

I completely agree. They should attempt to play. Now with that said, if any school's campus is closed, that school 100% should not play. That's just a really bad look if they have their team playing but students aren't allowed on campus imo.

I agree. We have some schools in PA who have gone 100% cyber but are still allowing sports. That’s a bad look

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Pause in Wisconsin football workouts further complicates October return for Big Ten season
Today 5:00 AM
By Nathan Baird, cleveland.com

COLUMBUS, Ohio — The forces pushing for Big Ten football to return continued to contrast with the force that already shut it down on Wednesday.

Late Wednesday night, Wisconsin announced a pause in football and hockey workouts for two weeks. That announcement came shortly after Chancellor Rebecca Blank shut down campus for two weeks due to a spike in coronavirus cases.

Wisconsin athletic director Barry Alvarez chairs the Big Ten’s return to competition task force that has been working on a plan for a football season to replace the one cancelled on Aug. 11. Blank was one of 11 presidents and chancellors who voted in favor of canceling the fall season.

Wisconsin’s interruption came on the same day that Penn State announced it was suspending workouts in multiple sports — though it declined to identify which ones — due to a spike in COVID-19 positive tests.

The Wisconsin development alone would seem to further complicate any chance for a football season that began in mid-October. A two-week pause means the Badgers would not resume football workouts until Sept. 24 at the earliest.

Multiple athletic directors have publicly said a Thanksgiving weekend plan has been discussed. Ohio State coach Ryan Day also floated the idea of a January plan immediately after the cancellation.

Alvarez said last week the task force continued to gather medical information to present to the presidents and chancellors. Infection rates on Big Ten campuses and in their athletic departments continue to interfere with momentum towards a resolution.

Maryland and Iowa also both paused workouts last week. The Hawkeyes returned to practice, but the Terrapins remained in their shutdown on Wednesday.

“The medical circumstances are the reason why we’re in this postponement,” Purdue athletic director Mike Bobinski said in a Zoom call with beat reporters on Tuesday. “In order to roll out of it, we’ve got to address the concerns the group of presidents and chancellors had during that August meeting.”

Prior to Wisconsin’s announcements, Chicago Tribune’s Teddy Greenstein reported that a vote on if and/or when to resume football could come this weekend “at the earliest,” or possibly Sunday or Monday.

Another legal threat?
Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost told the Columbus Dispatch that he would recommend that Ohio State sue the Big Ten over lost revenue due to the decision to cancel fall sports.

Ohio State estimates a $130.1 million revenue drop for athletics for the coming fiscal year. Roughly $50-60 million of that total would come from lost football ticket revenue. Ohio State had already announced it planned to allow only 20 percent capacity at Ohio Stadium prior to the cancellation.

Football brought in another $34 million in media rights income in fiscal year 2018-19, the most recent year for which budget information is available.

Yost told the Dispatch an agreement to play football would eliminate talk of a lawsuit.

Big Ten response
You may remember another group of lawmakers, including Ohio Senate Majority Leader Matt Huffman, sent a letter to Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren and the presidents and chancellors who voted to cancel fall sports.

The 10 Republican lawmakers from six states asked for the decision to cancel fall football to be reconsidered. On Wednesday, the Big Ten issued its response. The two paragraph statement essentially said the league is working towards a resumption of sports but safety during the pandemic remains a priority.

“We could not agree more with the group of midwest legislators who stated in a letter to Commissioner Kevin Warren that the Big Ten Conference is “home to some of the world’s leading institutions of higher learning, scientific research and medicine,' ” read the letter, attributed to The Big Ten Conference. "The Big Ten’s Return to Competition Task Force is tapping into those resources as it prepares for a safe return to competition.

“The letter reflects that we all want the same thing, which is for “sports to continue safely.” The conference will continue to work with the Big Ten Council of Presidents and Chancellors (COP/C), as it has always done, to identify opportunities to resume competition as soon as it is safe to do so.”

Freiermuth opts out
Another of the Big Ten’s top NFL prospects will reportedly skip whatever season is eventually put in place.

The Centre Daily Times reported that Penn State tight end Pat Freiermuth will opt out of the 2020 season to prepare for the 2021 NFL Draft. Freiermuth totaled 507 yards and five touchdowns last season and was voted a first team preseason All-American by the Associated Press.

He is the second Nittany Lion to make that list who has opted out. Linebacker Micah Parsons, voted Defensive Player of the Year in the cleveland.com Preseason Big Ten poll, was one of the league’s first major stars to announce he will sit out.

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2020/09/pa...ten-season.html

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Maybe this puts them a step closer to football in the near future? I'm not sure October is realistic, however.

Sounds like it’s going to be a green light. Starting October 17 ... play 8 straight weeks

Get er done!

I so want to watch Ohio State. It helps negate the pain the Browns bring each week.

i literally was thinking this all afternoon lol

Plus depending on where we land in the draft, Justin Fields could be our next QB.

I have questions about his ability to read coverages, Rish. Hard to say for sure right now, but he seems kinda slow w/his reads.

So did Lamar.

My preference is Baker figures it out and becomes the future. After that I want Lawrence. But let's be honest if we are drafting in the top 3 we are taking a QB and if we are not #1 we aren't getting Lawrence.

The new age QB is athletic. We can't draft another unathletic QB. Fields fits the bill.

I was thinking about Lamar and also about having an athletic qb when I typed out my response.

Day is a very good coach. Fields made a lot of progress last year. We'll see what happens this year, but as of last year, he was too slow w/his reads.

And yeah, hopefully Baker figures it out. I'm becoming more pessimistic, though.

Anyway...............man, I want to see Ohio State play so freaking bad!!!

We had a chance to have Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, or Deshaun Watson... passed on all three... I don't know if Fields will be an NFL QB... but I agree... next QB needs to be more athletic.

I think the one that really got away was Watson.

College football champion at big time school, great person and leader and we acted like he wasn't good enough for this franchise because of another rebuild with new guys having "their plan" and it didn't include a QB that year.

I friggin hate the Haslams.

Yep, we traded out of the 12th spot. "Smart."

Wasn't that the same draft as Garrett?

Could have had Garrett and Watson in the same draft.

yep... we would have had to trade up for Mahomes because of the Chiefs... unless we drafted him first instead of Garrett.... Deshaun ew could have taken but we decided to trade down...

I agree w/you guys ... the new/good NFL QB has some mobility to his game. You don’t have to be Lamar, but asking a QB to straight drop back are basically gone.

I thought we’d move the pocket more for Baker (PA stuff like Shanny did for Hoyer) ... but it looked eerily similar to the stuff from last year

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