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The big thing was his injury ... no need to overthink this ...

What separates him from the pack is his quicks, speed ... he didn’t have either last year ... he had ZERO EXPLOSION .... ZERO ... that made him a mere mortal last year ...

No need what so ever to OVERTHINK this ...

Now all we need is everybody to stay healthy and the team doesn't have to lock down and forfeit games.

Undefeated except for the 9 forfeits.

Said this a few times. He got run down in the open field by a white linebacker I can't even name on the worst team in the league last year. He was very hurt.

Between the injury and the Freddie Kitchens I don’t think we saw the real OBJ last year.

I think it was mostly his injury but Freddy didnt help.

I expect better. Hope he isn't one of those players whose only real effort consistently seen is in interviews. We need him to work harder than last season on his grunt work.

j/c

Dear Lord. For those that have never played sports and have no idea how much his injury hampered his play, I would respectfully ask you to not persist in this line of comments. For those that do know, I would be willing to bet you understand and find this sad.

Freddie being bettor definitely would have given OBJ some of his explosion back .. NO DOUBT ..

It would be hard to to do worse with such a talented group of offensive players than Freddie Kitchens did, so at least the bar will be low for Kevin Stefanski.

I think Odell will be better. This is going to be a big year for Baker. I think he's coming to a fork in the road of his career, where he's going to be considered an upper echelon QB, or just another guy. It's not to say that he can't get better after this year, but we're seeing a trend of guys coming into the league and doing well right away. If he doesn't, it might be telling of him and his abilities. Could also cause problems within the team as you have high profile players who may demand Keenum if Baker is not getting the job done, and none of us want to even entertain that idea.

And yes, it doesn't help that he's on his 3rd head coach (4 if you count GW, I don't) in 3 years, and that can be a death sentence for a young QB.

HUGE year for Baker. If Stefanski is good, then Baker will also be good, and we can put away all that bad talk about him.

j/c...

Having him at 100% will be great. I'm also hopeful that they will give him a copy of the playbook this year.

I felt like it was pretty much a nightmare for every member of our offense last year. Fk was horrendous, Baker didn’t perform (for whatever reason) to the level we hoped, and there was just no chemistry

Only God knows what's going to happen. Odell could be 100 percent and be lost after the first hit. Guys aren't 100 for very long. Whether or not they get the proper football conditioning is another variable. This whole season sucks....and it really isn't that important in big scheme of things...GO Browns!!! PS hope none or very few Browns get the virus.

j/c:

A few things:

--I do not buy the lack of effort narrative at all. I would like to see a link for that one. I saw OBJ race downfield at full speed trying to block for others. That's effort.

--I don't think he was all that bad last year. He had over 1,000 yards. How many of our WRs had that many yards since 1999?

--I do think he dropped too many passes that were good throws.

--I think he made some unreal catches on bad throws.

--As others have said, the injury bothered him all year.

--The second part of the injury thing is that it took away valuable reps that would have helped the chemistry between he and Baker.

--His QB was dreadful last year.

--Unlike most, I think Freddie should have tried to get the ball to OBJ more. Especially, in crunch time.

--I do think OBJ worries too much about what the media says.

--I do think he was frustrated by the poor qb play and the poor coaching, but I think he did a good job of keeping his mouth shut.

Same story, one year older.

I think Odell did fine considering he played with an injury.

He wasn't much of a diva to the disappointment of the trolls.

I actually believe Odell would choose to be nowhere else.. If I understand the relationship of Jarvis and Odell, we are sitting on a powder keg of potential.

I believe Jarvis to be our MVP, he’s gonna get his boy on point. It’s genuine, our legitimate super bowl hope.

My recollection on Odell has been reinforced by re-watching games recently.

He dropped a TON of passes. His hands weren't injured.

He was frequently lined up incorrectly. His mind and pre-game prep were not injured.

I can't/won't say much about effort or any athletic-scrutiny because I knew he was playing injured. It was easy to give a pass on that.

If he were 1/2 as consistent and reliable as was Landry, he'd be all-World once healthy. He needs to not only be a friend/brother to Landry, he needs to emulate Landry.

If I had to choose between paying Landry and paying Odell - which very well may become a choice we have to make in the near future - I'm taking Landry without doubt.

https://www.newsday.com/amp/sports/colum...eman-1.34502097

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/odell...coaching-staff/

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/...6c-3d4c8c5a7610

And here is a link to YouTube that has a list of videos and OBJ's workouts. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obj+workout

I ain't buying that he isn't a hard-worker or lazy.

Injury, head coach without a clue... There is the reason you didn't see the real OBJ

I totally buy the 'mental rollercoaster' part of that. I can see that affecting his focus and 'being into' a game or practice. That can be seen as laziness and/or being a malcontent. Where you go from that, imo, depends on your overall opinion of him. For me, understanding a problem is critical to correcting it. OBJ is not lazy, his focus just isn't that strong.

His injury was a major factor last year but think other things played a part as well, just not as much.

But I'm more concerned about his compounded injuries over the last three seasons as it relates to his performance in 2020.

Honestly, a lost or half season could do wonders for someone like him. He's GOT to be secretly rooting for the season to be canceled.

I would find that hard to believe. By all accounts, he's fully healthy and in great shape. He's also in his late 20s. I would be surprised if he secretly wanted a season to be cancelled.

There were countless factors involved IMO, but for me it was a poor Oline that led to our difficulties.

I thought and still think an offense built off the running game with Chub and Hunt in the fold is the key that unlocks this offense. I like an offense that gives the QB options at the LOS. They stack for the run you throw and vise versa.

OBJ dropped to many passes period and that isn't injury related. He has to catch the damned ball. If at the end of a game you count the dropped balls and you dropped more than your opponent I can all but guarantee you'll lose. Show me a team that drops the ball I will show you the loser.

But I truly am more optimistic about this team overall this year than I was last. When I look at the core of this team I see a bunch of guys hitting their 3-4th years and this team was loaded to begin with. I think that core if they learned anything last year it should be that in order to win in the NFL it takes a full out effort in every area. Like all young teams I think they thought their talent being superior was enough, now they should know that while they as a group have superior talent the talent is so close in the NFL anything less than a full effort and you'll still lose.

OBJ will be fine I think but he can only be a part of the offense it can't be about him.

I thought he was a huge distraction for many reasons, and I hope that changes. The shoe thing was stupid it's about being ready to play, knowing where to lineup, not the color of his shoes. Now it's back to the blonde hair, that crap needs to stop this is football anything that distracts from that IMO is bad. I think KS is going to have his hands full and needs to reason these things out with OBJ. If it's about winning for OBJ he needs to embrace not being the center piece, but a part. If he does that this team can achieve anything because the talent is that good.

I think we scare the b Jesus out of the teams we play the talent is so superior to any other offense in the league really now they all need to embrace their roll and that includes OBJ.

I heard he gets in and out of his routes quick

j/c:

I was super happy when we first got Odell but that feeling has faded for me now. He drops too many passes and just seems like an odd fit for our team. I hope things change as our season progresses and I feel differently by then, but for now? The 'honeymoon phase' is over.

I saw the game last night, and when OBJ started to get involved in the game, the game was already lost.

He was far from good last night, but its clear he has nothing to do with Baker struggles out there.

Another doubt I have is that was it the game plan or was Baker zeroing on OBJ because he just can't do anything else?

I wouldn't mind having both riding the bench for the next game.. yes if Baker and OBJ can't do it, then sit them and move on.

it looked like OBJ was hearing footsteps,, maybe that is because there is no one in the stadium.

Tony Grossi is literally the last person I would to listen to about anything to do with the Browns.

Doug Dieken also mentioned his body language. I agree with you on Grossi.

Reporting what you saw is one thing, giving advice. . .