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Mostly not about the US -- but really interesting to read and consider how things are playing out. It's long, but I quote a segment below:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/cra...stleblower-memo

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These are some of the biggest revelations in Zhang’s memo:


It took Facebook’s leaders nine months to act on a coordinated campaign “that used thousands of inauthentic assets to boost President Juan Orlando Hernandez of Honduras on a massive scale to mislead the Honduran people.” Two weeks after Facebook took action against the perpetrators in July, they returned, leading to a game of “whack-a-mole” between Zhang and the operatives behind the fake accounts, which are still active.


In Azerbaijan, Zhang discovered the ruling political party “utilized thousands of inauthentic assets... to harass the opposition en masse.” Facebook began looking into the issue a year after Zhang reported it. The investigation is ongoing.


Zhang and her colleagues removed “10.5 million fake reactions and fans from high-profile politicians in Brazil and the US in the 2018 elections.”


In Feb. 2019, a NATO researcher informed Facebook that he’d identified Russian inauthentic activity related to a “high-profile US political figure.” Facebook had failed to identify the activity and scrambled to react before the researcher briefed Congress the next day. Zhang removed the activity, “dousing the immediate fire,” she wrote.


In Ukraine, Zhang “found inauthentic scripted activity” supporting both former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, the pro-European Union politician and former presidential candidate, as well as Volodymyr Groysman, a former prime minister and ally of former president Petro Poroshenko. Current president “Volodymyr Zelensky and his faction was the only major group not affected,” Zhang said.


Zhang discovered inauthentic activity — a Facebook term for engagement from bot accounts — in Bolivia and Ecuador but chose “not to prioritize it,” due to her workload. The amount of power she had as a mid-level employee to make decisions about a country’s political outcomes took a toll on her health.


After becoming aware of coordinated manipulation on the Spanish Health Ministry’s Facebook page during the COVID-19 pandemic, Zhang helped find and remove 672,000 fake accounts acting “acting on similar targets globally” including in the US.


In India, she worked to remove “a politically-sophisticated network of more than a thousand actors working to influence the” local elections taking place in Delhi in February. Facebook never publicly disclosed this network or that it had taken it down.

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What good comes from Facebook and similar platforms?
When are people going to realize that it is like drugs? Feels good to get that dopamine hit when you get a like, but it comes with a ton of baggage, stemming from the fact that people can be psychologically detached from reality.

Just to recap the pros and cons of Facebook:
Pros:
1. Feels good when someone likes your content
Cons:
1. Increased depression and suicide among teens, particularly girls
2. Algorithms learn to feed us things that upset us, because outrage generates the most clicks, creating a distorted view of reality, and leading to a country that hasn't been so divided since the Civil War
3. Unknown and untraceable sources use the platform to psychologically manipulate your political views.

At this point, I don't think the best thing is to fix Facebook, but to educate people, especially young children, on the issues with trusting social media and allowing too much of your life to get wrapped up in it. as a user, it does not exist for your benefit. You are not the customer, you are the product.

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What good comes from Facebook and similar platforms?
When are people going to realize that it is like drugs? Feels good to get that dopamine hit when you get a like, but it comes with a ton of baggage, stemming from the fact that people can be psychologically detached from reality.

Just to recap the pros and cons of Facebook:
Pros:
1. Feels good when someone likes your content
Cons:
1. Increased depression and suicide among teens, particularly girls
2. Algorithms learn to feed us things that upset us, because outrage generates the most clicks, creating a distorted view of reality, and leading to a country that hasn't been so divided since the Civil War
3. Unknown and untraceable sources use the platform to psychologically manipulate your political views.

At this point, I don't think the best thing is to fix Facebook, but to educate people, especially young children, on the issues with trusting social media and allowing too much of your life to get wrapped up in it. as a user, it does not exist for your benefit. You are not the customer, you are the product.


Agree'd....It started out as a cool way to keep in contact with friends and relatives over distance, groups or clubs, etc.

But anymore, if I ever log in, 4 out of 5 things listed are ads and crap. I hardly see anything from people I know other than the people who tend to share and report the extreme narrative posts.

Everyone on there seems to think they are doing the world a favor by sharing some random meme that is full of mis-truths and lies, that are easy to identify if one just takes 30 seconds.


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It was really great for a while. It needs to go the way of Myspace. It's time has gone.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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Yup. It was great for a couple of years, and then the political parties and the media learned how to manipulate it.


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It's still great as long as you don't have "Donkey" friends ruining it. If you do it's your fault for not dropping those so called friends.


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How tolerant of you.

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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
It's still great as long as you don't have "Donkey" friends ruining it. If you do it's your fault for not dropping those so called friends.


Funny. I’ve unfriended pretty much all the trump supporters in my feed. Friend and family alike. A couple that are actually willing to have discussions have been kept. The ones that claim Michelle Obama is a man, or regurgitate Qanon rhetoric, or just simply deny/defend the words that come out of trump’s word hole have been cut loose. My FB world is much more peaceful and filled with much less ignorance.


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It's still great as long as you don't have "Donkey" friends ruining it. If you do it's your fault for not dropping those so called friends.


Funny. I’ve unfriended pretty much all the trump supporters in my feed. Friend and family alike. A couple that are actually willing to have discussions have been kept. The ones that claim Michelle Obama is a man, or regurgitate Qanon rhetoric, or just simply deny/defend the words that come out of trump’s word hole have been cut loose. My FB world is much more peaceful and filled with much less ignorance.


I have blocked a bunch of people, but didn't go as far as unfriending them. I think of it like a party, if the conversation is going nowhere, I just move to another group and join that conversation, but am still friends with the other folks.


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I actually haven't blocked or unfriended anyone. I do not however hesitate to respond to anything political they post which sometimes doesn't sit well with them. I have an aunt in Kentucky who did unfriend me. I rarely post anything on my FB page that is political. I do belong to a group and follow some news feeds that are political. From both sides. It's the only way I can keep up with the rhetoric from both sides.

Maybe when I reminded my aunt that if it weren't for FDR and the Democrats starting the TVA the south still might not have electric or indoor plumbing that did it. Yeah, that might have been it. wink


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Yeah, my own mother is guilty of researching absolutely nothing. I am amazed at some of the conclusions she comes up with. Older people have a serious problem with confirmation bias as it pertains to FB.

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When things like this pop up on my friend’s feeds it’s time to cut them loose.

A link to his actual speech. Talk about crazy. The guy thinks veggie burgers are the devil that’s killing God’s creation. Not the slash and burn farming of the Amazon rainforests or the industrial farming of our own country. Psycho with a Bible.
https://player.vimeo.com/video/342031838...g117tHIFoNqq2Ds


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Originally Posted By: BpG
Older people have a serious problem with confirmation bias as it pertains to FB.


Absolutely.

This article is fascinating and sad at the same time. Older people (not all) are being manipulated online.

‘Nothing on this page is real’: How lies become truth in online America

Another read on the subject.

Older People More Susceptible to Fake News, More Likely to Share It

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Veggie burgers ARE the devil.


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There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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I’m not a huge fan but some of the products have gotten pretty good at replicating a burger.

So the preacher says that if we eat veggie burgers our DNA will be changed and it’ll be “impossible” to be saved by Christ. Boy, he doesn’t have much faith in God being all powerful if he thinks a little DNA mix up is beyond God’s power to save.
What a charlatan. What a fraud.


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Bro, North Star has a bomb veggie burger, but man it's like $15 lol

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To be serious again, for a moment... if a friend posted that (and wasn't joking), that get them put on the candidate list for removal, for sure.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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It was really great for a while. It needs to go the way of Myspace. It's time has gone.


You don't need it to go away. You just go delete your own account and all of its data. Piece of cake.
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Agree'd....It started out as a cool way to keep in contact with friends and relatives over distance, groups or clubs, etc.


I still use it quite a bit for those things.


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I don't use social media for anything other than promoting my business.

I have one personal twitter account and I never go on there.

My time is too valuable to waste on social media crap.

I would rather waste it on dawgtalker crap. wink

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and you do.

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Facebook removes Antifa and QAnon groups.

Go get em Facebook!

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/08/20/facebook-removes-antifa-and-qanon-groups/

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Good. But I seriously doubt the antifa pages were ever legit. Most likely Russians, white supremacists, and Q. Or Trump supporters, whatever you want to call them.

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Take off the blinders man.

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Here's more fun info about antifa being removed.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/ty...country-n812339

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“For militia organizations and those encouraging riots, including some who may identify as Antifa, we’ve initially removed over 980 groups, 520 Pages and 160 ads from Facebook. We’ve also restricted over 1,400 hashtags related to these groups and organizations on Instagram,” Facebook reported.


So these are militia and violent group pages while "including some" groups that 'may identify as antifa'... lol, sounds like mostly right wingers got hammered and y'allidarity is trying to make this sound like an ANTIFA thing! lmao

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It doesn't sound like that. Please read more carefully.

Pacific-Northwest Youth Liberation Front might be offended that you don't think they are antifa.

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You should read it.

FACEBOOK:

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“We already remove content calling for or advocating violence and we ban organizations and individuals that proclaim a violent mission. However, we have seen growing movements that, while not directly organizing violence, have celebrated violent acts, shown that they have weapons and suggest they will use them, or have individual followers with patterns of violent behavior,” Facebook announced in a statement Wednesday.

“So today we are expanding our Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy to address organizations and movements that have demonstrated significant risks to public safety but do not meet the rigorous criteria to be designated as a dangerous organization and banned from having any presence on our platform,” the social media company added. “While we will allow people to post content that supports these movements and groups, so long as they do not otherwise violate our content policies, we will restrict their ability to organize on our platform.”

“For militia organizations and those encouraging riots, including some who may identify as Antifa, we’ve initially removed over 980 groups, 520 Pages and 160 ads from Facebook. We’ve also restricted over 1,400 hashtags related to these groups and organizations on Instagram,” Facebook reported.

Under the new policy, Facebook will “impose restrictions to limit the spread of content from Facebook Pages, Groups and Instagram accounts.” The company will also “remove Pages, Groups and Instagram accounts where we identify discussions of potential violence, including when they use veiled language and symbols particular to the movement to do so.”


I see that only some of the 980 were allegedly antifa. And that those supporting ANTIFA can still do so on facebook without being removed as long as they follow the same rules that everyone else does... boy that's tough, poor ANTIFA. lol

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Yeah, they can no longer use facebook groups to organize violent acts. Isn't that sort of the point of facebook taking their crap down?

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Yeah, they can no longer use facebook groups to organize violent acts. Isn't that sort of the point of facebook taking their crap down?
I'm super cool with that though, and so is ANTIFA. You do realize they are as organized as a neighborhood book club right?

I talked to some kids earlier tonight, about a dozen, that were in the center of town wearing ANTIFA and BLM gear with BLM and anti fascism signs. They were roving from corner to corner every 5 to 10 minutes, more or less hanging out and spreading the message. They were about a 50/50 mix of black and white with one girl I think may have been of asian descent. They were all just kids, emotionally charged and passionate about the state of the world. None of them deserve to die or be hurt in anyway for that...

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How tolerant of you.


GM isn’t talking about Democrats.


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Yeah, they can no longer use facebook groups to organize violent acts. Isn't that sort of the point of facebook taking their crap down?
I'm super cool with that though, and so is ANTIFA. You do realize they are as organized as a neighborhood book club right?


Don't tell facebook or book clubs will be banned next.

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It depends on what they're reading. I mean if Mein Kampf is the book of the week maybe it should be considered? wink


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