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OBJ doesn’t seem to have it ... in terms of being a positive member of a team and being a winner.

He’s not our only problem, but he’s one of them


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Tony Grossi is literally the last person I would to listen to about anything to do with the Browns.


Doug Dieken also mentioned his body language. I agree with you on Grossi.


I commented on his body language during camp. He would hang out the periphery of the huddle seemingly half engaged while the rest of team was in the full huddle.

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OBJ doesn’t seem to have it ... in terms of being a positive member of a team and being a winner.

He’s not our only problem, but he’s one of them


I hate to say this because he's a great player and I think the problems are more Baker than OBJ, but it could be addition by subtraction.

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Serious question. Not snarky at all.

OBJ was almost universally regarded as a top 3 WR in the entire NFL before he came here. Some had him as the best. I am not talking about rankings from fans. I'm talking about respected ex-players, coaches, FO folks, and reporters who do this for a living.

Here is the question: Do you really think he fell off the map that quickly or do you think that it might have more to do w/his qb and even his two HC's?

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Serious question. Not snarky at all.

OBJ was almost universally regarded as a top 3 WR in the entire NFL before he came here. Some had him as the best. I am not talking about rankings from fans. I'm talking about respected ex-players, coaches, FO folks, and reporters who do this for a living.

Here is the question: Do you really think he fell off the map that quickly or do you think that it might have more to do w/his qb and even his two HC's?


Probably more to do with him being butthurt that NYG traded him and the previous FO not putting up with his antics vs Baker.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Tony Grossi is literally the last person I would to listen to about anything to do with the Browns.


Very true. But a lot of people are saying this. I bet he is regurgitating what others are opining.


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We all have our opinions, but I don't believe that. I think some are using OBJ as a scapegoat to deflect attention away from Baker's issues.

I could be wrong, but that is what I think.

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If OBJ is as bad as most of you guys say he is, y'all would probably be okay w/us trading him to either Pittsburgh or Baltimore, right?

LOL

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Can’t win with him, maybe we could win without him.

I don’t have any “agendas” by the way, and I see BM’s struggles; my concerns pertaining to OBJ are separate from the quarterback.


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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Can’t win with him, maybe we could win without him.

I don’t have any “agendas” by the way, and I see BM’s struggles; my concerns pertaining to OBJ are separate from the quarterback.


Odell loves BMs.

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I heard something.. about a kind of rumour.....


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I'm highly disappointed in OBJ but I'm not ready to give up on him.

As far as Baker goes, I hate to say it but I'm starting to lose hope in him. He's just too short to stay in the pocket and his accuracy is infuriating. I'm not far from hoping Keenum takes over.

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Originally Posted By: Psydeffect
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...... I'm not far from hoping Keenum takes over.


Truth be told, if he’s not getting better by week 4 or 5, I’ll be there with you.


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If we reach the point where we are benching Mayfield for Keenum the season is lost anyway.

Baker gets the full season. You have to know if you can move forward with him as the future or you need to move on.


This offense may have to score 27+ points a game with this terrible defense.

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Well, the eyeball test tells me he’s got to get better. I don’t like his rolling right all the time.


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Originally Posted By: Milk Man
If we reach the point where we are benching Mayfield for Keenum the season is lost anyway.

Baker gets the full season. You have to know if you can move forward with him as the future or you need to move on.


This offense may have to score 27+ points a game with this terrible defense.


Yes, plus the fact that statistically Baker is the best QB we've had since '99 what are the odds a random journeyman is gonna come in and make us amazing? Best case scenario, if we're already tanking bad enough to make the switch, he wins us a couple extra games and we get a worse draft pick.

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Originally Posted By: Milk Man
If we reach the point where we are benching Mayfield for Keenum the season is lost anyway.

Baker gets the full season. You have to know if you can move forward with him as the future or you need to move on.




It would be nice to see if the team plays better, the same, or worse w/out Baker, though.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Here is the question: Do you really think he fell off the map that quickly or do you think that it might have more to do w/his qb and even his two HC's?


Why did you address this to me?

My answer was in the post you were responding to.

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We sink or swim with Baker this year. We already know the talent of Chubb, Hunt, Landy, OBJ and Hooper.

It's not like we have to figure if there is other talent worth keeping.

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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Well, the eyeball test tells me he’s got to get better.


He absolutely does need to get better.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
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If we reach the point where we are benching Mayfield for Keenum the season is lost anyway.

Baker gets the full season. You have to know if you can move forward with him as the future or you need to move on.




It would be nice to see if the team plays better, the same, or worse w/out Baker, though.


It would be just as nice to see if the team plays better the same or worse without Odell too.


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Yes, it would be. Let's do both. One game each. I know where my money would be go.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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Can’t win with him, maybe we could win without him.

I don’t have any “agendas” by the way, and I see BM’s struggles; my concerns pertaining to OBJ are separate from the quarterback.


Odell loves BMs.


Lolz.


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Well there is the whole 2018 season to look at.


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Serious question. Not snarky at all.

OBJ was almost universally regarded as a top 3 WR in the entire NFL before he came here. Some had him as the best. I am not talking about rankings from fans. I'm talking about respected ex-players, coaches, FO folks, and reporters who do this for a living.

Here is the question: Do you really think he fell off the map that quickly or do you think that it might have more to do w/his qb and even his two HC's?


Professional athletes have been known to develop the yips.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Serious question. Not snarky at all.

OBJ was almost universally regarded as a top 3 WR in the entire NFL before he came here. Some had him as the best. I am not talking about rankings from fans. I'm talking about respected ex-players, coaches, FO folks, and reporters who do this for a living.

Here is the question: Do you really think he fell off the map that quickly or do you think that it might have more to do w/his qb and even his two HC's?


I hear what you're saying and somewhat agree. My only argument is, "so what?". Not saying you're excusing him, but OBJ is supposed to be a pro, and giving up and basically taking his ball and going home (during week 1, no less), is not being a pro. Baker's issues are Baker's issues, and OBJ's issues are OBJ's. They're separate. It's not Baker's fault that OBJ is bringing a bad attitude.


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I don't think saying he gave up is even close to being fair. I just came off another thread and two guys were calling him a cancer. I think that is disgustingly unfair. I do hope they trade him. He doesn't deserve this BS.

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TomAto - tomato, I guess....

I don't think 'gave up' is all that unfair given all the data points. I mean, we weren't even done with week 1 and he was back to the pouty thing. Landry still went out there and played hard. Same with Hunt and others. I'm not saying he shouldn't be frustrated, I'm just saying he shouldn't act like a child.

Dude is a top 3 WR, no doubt... but he was also doing this same stupid stuff in NY, and that got his butt shipped to Cleveland.


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Could it be that the system is designed assuming OBJ is the #1 and is the primary target on 80% of pass plays.

And Baker relying on OBJ too much, and expecting him to make difficult catches, or bailing him out, too often, rather than checking down and take the easier throw?

If OBJ is the first read and you believe he could still catch it even in a tight window, does that give you a little too much confidence to take the shot, even though it really isn't a good choice?

Most great QBs had their goto guy(s), that they counted on to make even the toughest catches. But it is obvious Baker may be relying too much on OBJ, and possibly other teams know it. Add too it, that it still seems like OBJ and Baker are not in sync yet like he is with Landry.


We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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There were concerns about Odie being a CANCER
before he played one down for the Browns.


Ex-Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham says he won’t be a ‘cancer’ in the Browns’ locker room: What’s Cleveland’s plan for keeping him in line?

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Cleveland Browns general manager John Dorsey received high marks for trading for New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham on Tuesday. Dorsey’s goal during the offseason is to surround young quarterback Baker Mayfield with as many playmakers as possible. Beckham, who will team with former LSU buddy Jarvis Landry at wideout, certainly qualifies.

But there’s a reason Giants general manager Dave Gettleman was willing to part with Beckham. In his five seasons with New York, Beckham’s antics on and off the field often overshadowed his game-changing catches and mind-boggling statistics.

So how does Dorsey plan to keep Beckham in line and prevent him from being a negative influence on Mayfield? He shared several ideas during a conference call Thursday with reporters. According to Cleveland.com’s Mary Kay Cabot, Dorsey was asked about Beckham’s reputation as being “difficult.” Here is Dorsey’s answer: “I know Odell’s very very passionate, he’s competitive and I know he can help this football team. If you get a chance to acquire a guy like that, take a shot.’’

Dorsey also sounds like he is putting the pressure of keeping Beckham in line on the coaching staff. Adam Henry is the Browns’ receivers coach. He was the Giants’ receivers coach in 2016 and 2017. He was LSU’s receivers coach from 2012-2014. So he knows Beckham well. Per Cabot: “It helps to have your college position coach on your staff. That helped.’’

Freddie Kitchens is beginning his first season as the Browns head coach. According to Dorsey, Kitchens ultimately will be responsible for Beckham’s behavior. Per Cabot: “Freddie (Kitchens) will hold guys accountable. That’s one of the things I love about Freddie. He’s so straightforward, honest, he’s going to set expectations high. He will make players accountable. He’s the same guy every day. That’s who he is.”

Dorsey is well aware of the relationship between Beckham and Landry. While he says he did not check with Landry before making the trade, Dorsey is counting on Landry’s bond with Beckham to keep things positive in Cleveland. Per Cabot: “I know they’re best of friends. I know they’re very competitive with each other. I think it can only help each other. Competition brings out the best in everybody.”

Landry was one of the first people to welcome Beckham to Cleveland after Tuesday’s trade.




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Are we going to go back and forth all day long. You made a point about him giving up. I disagreed. It should have ended there. You saying it again isn't going to change my mind. I think saying he gave up is extremely unfair. You don't know that.

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Braylon needs to SHOW up before he can GIVE up.

He was a vet receiver and one-time top-X WR. He has not yet shown that with Cleveland. He HAS shown (in 2019) that he still has a propensity to be a distraction, he regularly didn't know where to line up and he dropped a ton of passes last year...and was injured. We waited all season for news of his surgery and rehab. We gleefully participated in a thread about our "Weapons"...again.

He comes into this year and manages - in game #1 - an early penalty for being an idiot...drops an easy 3rd down conversion...runs out of bounds on a comeback throw by the QB...drifts around the huddle...and displays the body language of a guy who simply doesn't want to be there.

All this BS with his "brother" Landry on the team. Landry manages to produce just fine with his QB...Njoku redeemed himself very, very nicely Sunday with his QB...Chubb and Hunt displayed impressive heart and grit with their QB...the OL blocked well for their QB. I suppose we could say the kicker didn't do well with his QB. Who is on the outside of that paragraph?

I watched all (4) AFC North teams this weekend. The Bengals have TWO WRs that I would trade for Braylon AND give up a draft pick. The Steelers have TWO as well...and their #1 WR isn't one of the two. We have the best slot WR in the game...a solid #3 WR who can't get on the field...a STer posing as a WR...and a diva WR who can't catch the ball.

This board has a history of - rightfully - being very harsh against WRs and TEs who can't catch the ball. Braylon has been that guy his entire time with Cleveland. Maybe we could tolerate his antics if he were playing like a top 3 WR...maybe...but he sure isn't producing like that in a Browns uniform.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Are we going to go back and forth all day long... It should have ended there. You saying it again isn't going to change my mind.


So the football convo is done because you say so? With the amount of whining you do on here, for you to turn around and get all snippy because someone wants to continue a conversation is... really something.

No, we're not going to go back and forth all day long, or at all.


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Originally Posted By: Milk Man
If we reach the point where we are benching Mayfield for Keenum the season is lost anyway.

Baker gets the full season. You have to know if you can move forward with him as the future or you need to move on.


This offense may have to score 27+ points a game with this terrible defense.


Ii don't get this way of thinking. We already missed the playoffs last season because we had no viable backup QB, and I would not understand missing again this year because we have to see what BM has.

Baker has not evolved, he is completely unprepared to the point where he has no idea what offense he is running apart from the first scripted plays.

If you want BM to have any chance he has to go back and learn the game from the bench, if not his career will be over in just a few games.

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No, we're not going to go back and forth all day long, or at all.


Sounds good to me.

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Originally Posted By: WSU Willie

He comes into this year and manages - in game #1 - an early penalty for being an idiot...drops an easy 3rd down conversion...runs out of bounds on a comeback throw by the QB...drifts around the huddle...and displays the body language of a guy who simply doesn't want to be there.


Not getting into the rest of it - but this summary of game 1 is accurate. I'm still hoping Baker and OBJ develop some chemistry because it would be better for the team. We'll see over the course of the next few games if 'all' or most of the problem is Baker as is being suggested by some because of OBJ's history - whether it's a combination.

Watching how other teams get their WR's with quicks open and isolated, I still have not seen plays that develop like that for OBJ - but once again, the Ravens D is not a good barometer to judge against.


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Here is a novel idea, bench both OBJ and Baker..

I don't think OBJ is the problem, but I have no problems benching him.

Don't think Baker fans would agree because the moment we bench Baker his career will be over. Yes I do think we have such a good O than any average QB will be successful running it.

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j/c:

While some posters and media types like to say that OBJ is a cancer, gives up, pouts, etc.............I thought it might be worthwhile to hear what his teammates say about him. Take a look.

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Discovering OBJ: Browns learn he's not guy 'everybody thinks he is'

Oct 7, 2019

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BEREA, Ohio -- Before joining the Cleveland Browns this offseason, Sheldon Richardson admits he'd heard the rap that Odell Beckham Jr. wasn't a great teammate. Now, after sharing the locker room with the wide receiver these past few months, Richardson has a "completely opposite" viewpoint.

"Couldn't be further from the truth. ... it's all propaganda," Richardson said of Beckham's reputation.
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"He's everything you want your teammate to be."

Richardson was hardly alone in praise of Beckham as a teammate.

"A guy who would do anything for you if you needed it," veteran center JC Tretter said. "And that's what I think everybody has seen from him here, where if you need something, he'll go out of his way to help you out or do something for you. He's just been a class act since he got here. There hasn't been one bad interaction I think anybody's had with him.

"He's been the model teammate."

Pinpointing exactly how Beckham earned a reputation otherwise before the New York Giants jettisoned him to Cleveland in March isn't easy.
Odell Beckham Jr. is "everything you want your teammate to be," says Browns defensive lineman Sheldon Richardson. Nick Cammett/Diamond Images via Getty Images

Last year in an interview with ESPN, Beckham did express frustration with his role on a "safe" Giants offense with quarterback Eli Manning, who wasn't attempting many passes downfield. (Manning has been benched in favor of rookie Daniel Jones.)

To be sure, OBJ has also endured his share of controversial moments over the years, from fighting with a kicking net to punching a hole in the visiting locker room following a playoff loss to the Green Bay Packers in 2017. He was even suspended a game in 2015 after committing three personal foul penalties while tussling with Carolina Panthers cornerback Josh Norman.

Yet just last week, underscoring how, in his words, he's "grown up a lot," Beckham found himself in a similar scuffle with Baltimore Ravens cornerback Marlon Humphrey, who at one point had Beckham pinned to the ground and appeared to be choking him. Beckham was flagged and fined. But he also didn't escalate the incident like he said he wanted to, noting he didn't want to hurt his teammates any more than he had. Beckham also declared he'd be paying Tretter's fine for helping break up the fight.
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"When you don't play with a superstar, you don't really know about him except for what the media says," Browns guard Joel Bitonio said. "I've had teammates that played with him in New York and all of them said that he was a great guy when he was there, but you just continue to hear things on social media and the TV that are saying, 'Oh, he's not a good teammate. Oh, he's a cancer in the locker room.'

"The thing with Odell is he's so competitive that he wants to win so badly and be so good that it may look like that from the outside. But from the inside you know that he is fighting for his teammates and only wants the best for us."

Interviews with more than a dozen other Cleveland players revealed the same opinion: OBJ, so far at least, has been the model teammate.

"He's a celebrity, like he's famous beyond football, so it's like everything he does gets scrutinized. ... people are going to believe what they want to believe," safety Damarious Randall said. "But he's got a great head on his shoulders. He probably cares too much about people's feelings. ... little things that people don't see."

Beckham agrees that he's misunderstood.

"As far as being a teammate," he said, "I'm probably not what I'm perceived to be by the world."

When Beckham arrived in Cleveland for training camp, he carried over a tradition from New York, sitting with different groups of players at each meal in the cafeteria.

"I talk to everybody who's in this locker room, in the weight room, meetings. I talk to everybody," Beckham said. "You've got to get to know who you are battling with. When the whistle blows, it's just us out there. These are guys. ... you'll forever remember and cherish."

Although subtle, that routine didn't go unnoticed in a locker room unaccustomed to having players of Beckham's star power.
Odell Beckham Jr. has been a hit with Browns fans, who have even higher expectations for their team with the addition of the star receiver. Frank Jansky/Icon Sportswire

"He's always joking around with guys and being interactive with guys," said linebacker Christian Kirksey, currently on injured reserve but who, along with Bitonio, is the longest-tenured Brown on the team. "That's something that you need. To have a star player like that, still enjoying team camaraderie. ... we need guys like him."

Defensive end Myles Garrett recalled Beckham starting that even earlier with him, taking him out to eat in Los Angeles multiple times over the summer.

"Just wanted to see how my life was going," Garrett said. "See how we could get better as teammates and build some chemistry.

"Y'all make your characterizations. ... but he's been a good teammate for me and for the rest of my guys on the D-line and defense."

Rookie cornerback Greedy Williams remembers one player who wouldn't make the team cut looking for a ride to the team hotel during training camp. Beckham overheard the request.

"OBJ was like, 'Man, come hop in the truck with me, I'll take you,'" Williams said. "He's one of those guys who's genuine, who's friendly with everybody. I can't even remember the guy's name. Odell, he don't think of himself above anybody, he don't ignore anyone. ... he's actually one of the greatest teammates I've ever had."

Upon being drafted by the Browns in the fifth round out of Alabama, rookie linebacker Mack Wilson recalled Beckham being among the very first Cleveland players to reach out to him.

"On the inside, I have not seen a single ounce of somebody that's difficult to work with. ... you see how he approaches the game, what it means to him, and how much he enjoys doing what he does ... I can't say a single bad word about the guy."
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"He was excited that I got drafted here, even knew what type of type of player I was," Wilson said. "I was like, he's not this person that everybody thinks he is. An arrogant, cocky guy like that. ... he's most definitely a caring person."

No rookie felt that more than Damon Sheehy-Guiseppi, whose backstory captivated fans and teammates. Sheehy-Guiseppi talked his way into a workout with Browns vice president of player personnel Alonzo Highsmith in Miami. After he was invited to Cleveland for a tryout a week later, Sheehy-Guiseppi, out of money, slept on the grass outside a sports performance facility, where he trained during the day, while waiting for his flight.

Several Browns players recall how Beckham took Sheehy-Guiseppi under his wing, gifting him the cleats the rookie wore scoring an 86-yard punt return touchdown in Cleveland's preseason opener. After finding out he had been cut, Sheehy-Guiseppi posted a heartfelt message about Beckham on social media. Even though Sheehy-Guiseppi remains unsigned, the two talk regularly, including late last week, and even now share the same agent.

"He's about relationship-building," said wide receiver Jarvis Landry, also Beckham's teammate at LSU.

Sometimes, that comes via gifts -- and Sheehy-Guiseppi hasn't been the only recipient.

"The media always portrays him as a bad guy, but if you ever ask him for anything, he's going to give it to you," wide receiver Damion Ratley said. "He's going to break his back just trying to help you out, because he knows he's got the means to do anything for you, from his gloves to his cleats, anything like that."

When Beckham was still in New York, he once provided 100 king-sized Casper mattresses to Giants players and staff. On the Friday before Cleveland's season opener, Browns players found a gift waiting for them at their locker -- a pair of his Nike Air Max 720s sneakers.

"I've learned a lot, but this is how I've always been," said Beckham, who also surprised the Youngstown Chaney High School football team with shoes. "I've always been a guy who ... I'm getting a free bag or whatever it is, I'm going to ask for 50 of them to give them to everybody in the locker room. That's just how I am. I want to see my teammates have what I have."

But Beckham didn't get sneakers for just his teammates, either. He also got them for Cleveland's equipment and training staff, among others in the building.

"Ain't nothing different," said defensive end Olivier Vernon, who played with Beckham in New York before being traded to Cleveland in the offseason. "He don't carry himself like he's above the team. Most guys in that position, you could probably see 'em doing it, but he won't act like that. He won't carry himself like that."

Veteran backup quarterback Drew Stanton wasn't quite sure what to make of Beckham at first. Stanton had a charity golf outing coming up and didn't know if he should ask Beckham to sign a jersey for it.

"There are certain guys that will remain nameless that I played with, I just stopped asking them, because they were a pain to deal with," Stanton said. "I went and asked our equipment guys. ... and they're like, 'He's unbelievable, it won't be an issue.' I asked him to sign it and he was great.

"On the inside, I have not seen a single ounce of somebody that's difficult to work with. A lot of it could be the media portraying him a certain way. But you see how he approaches the game, what it means to him, and how much he enjoys doing what he does. I have zero issues. I can't say a single bad word about the guy."
Beckham Jr. has 21 receptions on 37 targets, both team highs, in his first four games of the season. Rich Graessle/Icon Sportswire

Stanton said another reason for that is how Beckham has been with kids. In training camp, Beckham handed out cleats to young fans. When offensive coordinator Todd Monken brought kids out of the stands to get Beckham's autograph, he obliged.

Quietly, Beckham has told the Browns they don't need to ask his permission to meet with children from the Make-A-Wish Foundation; instead, he has a standing appointment for them every home Saturday.

"He knows that he has that powerful tool," Stanton said, "and he doesn't take it lightly."

Despite his fresh start, controversy has continued to follow Beckham to Cleveland.

He was reprimanded by the league for wearing a $189,000 Richard Mille watch in Cleveland's opener, in advance of an announcement of his watch deal with Daniel Wellington. Beckham was also sent to the bench on third-and-goal during Cleveland's opening drive in Week 2, due to the tint of his visor; with OBJ on the sidelines, the Browns had to settle for a field goal.
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But as the Browns struggled to a 1-2 start, Beckham was also a pillar of stability in the locker room. As coach Freddie Kitchens and quarterback Baker Mayfield came under fire for the offense struggling, Beckham, aware of the hyper-focus on him, didn't feed into the negativity with comments or body language -- even after the Browns targeted him only once during the fourth quarter of a narrow Week 3 loss to the Los Angeles Rams.

"He's just a good teammate," Mayfield said. "People can say what they want. ... Until you really meet him, you don't know who he is, and we're fortunate to have him and be around him every day."

Beckham's body language was noticeable for other reasons in Cleveland's potentially season-turning win last Sunday in Baltimore. Although he was held to a career-low two receptions, Beckham's gravity contributed to wide receiver Landry, running back Nick Chubb and even tight end Ricky Seals-Jones all having big days.

On one play, Beckham's short curl route helped suck in the defense, which allowed Seals-Jones to break free for a 59-yard reception. Behind the play, Beckham, still without a catch to that point, was pumping his fist.

"If you want to know what kind of character and what kind of player Odell is," Kitchens said, "put on the tape of Jarvis' runs, of Ricky's runs, of him blocking with Nick's runs and watch where he is when they finally get tackled, all right?

"That will tell you everything you need to know about Odell Beckham."

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my true opinion o OBJ is that people are expeting too much of him and forcing eveything from the coaching staff to the QB.


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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
my true opinion o OBJ is that people are expeting too much of him and forcing eveything from the coaching staff to the QB.


If our expectations of a "top 5 WR" in the NFL are too high - what does that say about our expectations for a 3rd year QB who is on his 4th HC with the same team ... only QB in history to received such a wonderful start to their career? Not withstanding Baker was bad last year and played badly game 1 .... Personally I hope he works out and there is some chemistry with Baker. Injury or not I don;t think it was expecting too much to think OBJ should know the playbook last year and know where to line up.

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