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C'mon Vers...what else are they gonna say?

The guy is known league-wide for being a head case and he's played like a #4- WR since he's been here.

He got the benefit of the doubt last year and laid an absolute egg in the opener this year...with his play...his concentration...his body-language.

He's not done much of anything positive since he's been here.

He's Braylon Edwards...without the Michigan excuse.

He was injured the entire season last year. Is that the "chance" you gave him? Or are you talking about the one game this year being his chance?

"Benefit of the doubt"...not "chance". Benefit of the doubt regarding his entire body of work last year in what was a total clustercircus. We all knew something was off.

He's a complete product in the league..."chance" is no longer an option. He either plays like a top, professional WR or he does not. So far with Cleveland, he has been nothing but a big disappointment.

If the "Like" button had an Exclamation Point option, I'd add it.

Once again, he was injured the entire season last year. If you're taking that into your evaluation of "a big disappointment", I find that highly suspect.

We certainly agree that moving forward he has to step up and be the player he was advertised to be.

Are you calling Brown's players "liars?" Yet, you trust some reporter who doesn't know Odell? LOL.......take a freaking hike w/your nonsense.

jc

the constant blame game toward OBJ is starting to remind me of how Kevin love has been treated when lebron was here.

and how many times to posters need to remind others tha obj STILL put up 1000 yards while injured?

its like people wanna ignore that part. he was injured and still competed.

imo, the biggest difference right now between the OBJ in NY and the OBJ here is that Eli would actually give him a chance to make spectacular plays on the ball. Eli, with all his flaws, didn't even force it to OBJ, he just gave him opportunities.

Baker ain't doing that. Baker keeps rolling to either side, purposely condensing himself to only read one side of the field, due to the fact that even in his 3rd year, he's still a one read QB.

does OBJ need to step it up and make those easy catches? absolutely. but OBJ is not a cancer, and he damn sure isn't overrated.

i bet DA or Weeden, as below average as they were, would put giving OBJ and jarvis all kinds of opportunities. they actually had a gunslinger mentality.

we drafted a guy who only acts like one.

The crazy thing is that he took that gunslinger mentality his first season. Look at his first Jets game with some of the passes he threw, like the one to Landry. Look at the TD pass to Perriman against the Broncos. Look at the TD pass to Landry against the Panthers.

I have no idea wth happened to him since 2018.

expectations.

it easy to walk around like the man when you got a guy in OU who literally built you, combined with the fact that defense is just a suggestion in the big 12.

its easy to walk around like the man in 2018 going to a team that was 0-16 and had no expectations whatsoever.

now the sports world actually expects something from him since 2019 with all the weapons he has.

some people excel under pressure. some stay the same. some regress.

The main issue here is that Baker was drafted because he was supposed to excel under pressure and be a mental QB, a leader, a winner.

Baker never had the physical or arm talent, that is not what he was drafted for. If he was struggling with other parts of the game but excelling in mental toughness, work ethics and game preparations, I would say it would make sense to wait.

But Baker has showed already that he isn't the QB we drafted... so what is the point of waiting... He is not a prototypical QB, he isn't a mobile QB, he is not a winner nor a commander of man, he is no Drew Brees.

He is a slight improvement over Colt McCoy with a large baggage...

j/c...

***Rumor Alert***

His attitude and performance yesterday (when healthy) was exactly like it was last year (when injured).

This is his 7th year in the league...so he's a complete(d) project. He CAN do the job...he simply does not...not here or here-yet anyway. Maybe we should just wait for him to come around. Landry and Njoku had no problems doing their jobs Sunday.

PSA: None of my comments on Braylon are intended to shield Baker from criticism.

Classic Bray-Bray body language. Apparently Dieken commented on it as well.

Mike Francesca?!?!? What are we even doing anymore?

He got the scoop in b/t naps!

The "scoop".

OBJ caught for 1000 yards during a season he was injured. All you have to make any legitimate claim on is one game. And I agree with you about that one game. But one game doesn't really tell you anything.

Keep trying to convince people that catching for 1000 yards during a season you were injured was a failure. You're certainly not going to convince me.

Yup. Spot on.

Yes, he had a really bad game, and that was not a good way to start the new season following a season where despite being really good, he still under-performed on expectations... BUT, it's just one game. He still has PLENTY of track record backing up his elite status, and he would need to have a LOT more bad games like Sunday before comparisons with Braylon become valid on any level. Braylon had as many good games as OBJ has had bad games. They are worlds apart.

This is New York's version of Tony Grossi, right?

Except more popular and less reliable.

These idiots.

If it's true, then there may be more going on in-house than we are aware of. No way a new coach gives up on a star receiver that quick over 1 game.

damn not even one week and we're already a train wreck.

I think this is just Mary Kay being Mary Kay. The source of the rumor isn’t credible, at least imo.

It's not true; Mary Kay is citing the one singular "report" that was already debunked.

It's just trolling.

Exactly.

So when I watched the first half I was wondering why OBJ wasn't targeted at all.

Then in the late second quarter he started to get some targets. There was one play that I think would have been a TD but Humphrey was called for holding. Then another holding penalty on Humphrey.

There was also a clear holding penalty that they missed on Humphrey.

It’s clickbaiting. This is what you do when you work in a failing industry, anything for the clicks.

Correct, imo.

Let's get this over with. It's time to trade ODell ASAP. Quicker the better.

I dont see us being able to trade OBJ .. maybe for like a 6th rounder

You guys are killing me.

This has to be a joke.