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Just re-watched the first half. First half was nearly flawless offensive execution.... we were really good.
Something that stuck out - on the short pass to OBJ where he juked and span his way to a first down, same play Hooper got held by their LB and lots of penalty flags got thrown, but we took the OBJ catch, OBJ was the third read. Starts off as a look to Landry on the left, he checks the right side where Hooper would have been but for being held, he actually goes back to Landry very briefly ... it looks like Baker is thinking about taking off but he does one last look to the middle and see OBJ and throws it.
Also on the flair out to Hunt for a TD, when I watched last night I thought he was the intended target... but re-watching I think Hooper/Middle is the first read and Baker then see Hunt and flicks it to him.
So maybe more progress for Baker than I thought. Clean pockets and no sacks can probably help a QB to do that... wonder if he can repeat under more duress.
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After 2 games where does our defense need the most improvement?
Let's say we traded some unnamed offensive star and got a Pro Bowl defensive player in return. What position would you want that new player to play?
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Agreed. But in all honesty, I’d rather just sign Randall. Loved that dude when he was here. I don’t care that he went crazy.
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I'm looking back on yesterdays game, and I want to pick Versatile Dogs brain,
I want to LASER FOCUS on TWO PLAYS, and them only.
Baker Mayfield, and his two worst plays, I think, on the day.
The intentional grounding, which set up 2nd and 24,
and the interception, which gave an opportunity for Cincy to really get back in position to win, with their offense, a game they were behind in momentum.
The intentional groundind play,
I see a screen pass, which goes arwry, there is really nowhere to go with the ball, whoever was supposed to catch the screen appeared to not be around, like they misheard a playcall,
And the thing is, I can no longer think he should have just thrown it away because, just last Thursday in the league opener, we saw an intentional grounding, via throwaway, called when he thew it out of the endzone, iirc.
2nd, The interception, This was a real drive killer, a real momentum killer, both plays were,
In this case, the Browns were already up 8-11 at the time, and midfield or crossing beyond midfield
Qb, had a lot of time, and a lot of room in his scramble,
"you never throw the ball late over the middle" is shouted by buckeye announcers here locally sometimes,
this play was a case of throwing the ball late over the middle.
What Should this QB do, on these two plays
Because Both of those plays, stopped the Browns from going an opportunity to really make yesterdays game a blowout. I was at a game where PAYTON Friggin MANNING threw FIVE INTERCEPTIONS in one GAME. Get a life, every QB has a bad play, the point is to have a lot more good plays than bad plays...
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J/C. Very pleased with the win last night. Gotta say that is the way I thought we would win. We have to be patient and pound the ball. Our defense is a liability right now due to the rash of injuries, hopefully when we play Washington will will be closer to full strength. Reading a lot about Bakers isn’t in the 4th, yup, it sucked, however the pass was right on and it was there. The Cincy DB really made a good read and nice play on the ball. Watched the re- play a couple of times and thought it was probably a TD 8 of ten times, dude made a good play. Jacob Phillips and Mack can’t get back soon enough, Taki Taki and Goodson are not seeing it very well through 2 games. Losing Delpit really sucks, getting Harrison up to speed is a huge need. Overall very pleased considering a quick turnaround from week 1. I believe we will see a rested hungry team next Sunday for Washington. Go Browns
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I specifically did not name any particular player because I didn't want my question to devolve into a trade debate. I created a hypothetical question to get a specific question answered.
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After 2 games where does our defense need the most improvement?
Let's say we traded some unnamed offensive star and got a Pro Bowl defensive player in return. What position would you want that new player to play? I think there is the most room to improve at nickel. I don't want to trade for one, though. We should be getting some of our own guys back soon.
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Agreed. But in all honesty, I’d rather just sign Randall. Loved that dude when he was here. I don’t care that he went crazy. I would sign Randall in a heartbeat.
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We let a rookie in his 2nd game on a short week with no preseason throw for over 300 yards and 3 td's Actually, I look at it as we had a QB throw it 61 times and he ONLY got 300 yards. . . . For how banged up we were, I think they played what they were trying to do. Not allow a big play, and shut down AJ. We did that. Our LB and Safeties are poor, no doubt. Money Mitch and Ward played well, though.
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During most of the game, I was frustrated with how they moved the ball...on every drive.
Didn't like them not getting off the field and the Bengals had to be 3/3 on 4th down conversions which is terrible.
HOWEVER, it dawned on me late 4th how few big plays they had. So, yes, maybe dink and dunk, bend but don't break works.
I will say this...we may have just beaten this team for the last time over the next 6-7 years. 60+ passes as a rookie without a pic is amazing and Burrow is the real deal. He's going to get so much better. Saddened to see him become a Bengal!!!!!
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Agreed. But in all honesty, I’d rather just sign Randall. Loved that dude when he was here. I don’t care that he went crazy. I would sign Randall in a heartbeat. I forgot that Randall was available. He’s someone I’d sign too, despite his history. He’s better than anything we have
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I'll try to answer Throw's questions.
I think you guys have the screen pass down. Not sure if Chubb got caught in traffic or was further down field? There were 3 o-linemen there. Baker probably thought one of them was eligible. I am not sure. I agree w/cfrs that he just needed t get it past the LOS.
The interception was on Baker. He should have recognized this one on a pre-snap read. The Bengals were in zone coverage. I think they were in Cover 4, or maybe a combination of one coverage on one side of the field and another on the opposite side. I didn't get a good look at the defensive alignment on their left side or Browns right side. The guy who made the pick was lined up over a receiver we had in the slot on the offensive left side. He went in motion. The safety stayed in his zone coverage and dropped straight back. Looked like Cover 4 to me. Baker should have recognized that they were in zone and that the DB didn't have anyone in his area. I am guessing that he never saw him in his post-snap read. It was a mistake on Baker's part.
With that said, all qbs make mistakes. Baker had a very good game. Extremely accurate. Quicker decisions. Didn't run into sacks. Played w/more confidence. I thought it was his best game in a long, long time. We can win a lot of games if he continues to play like he did last night. On the screen/intentional grounding, Teller was blocking 21 and Chubb got hung up on them. You're right, Baker should have thrown it past the line. He also could possibly have stepped up to avoid the pressure and not been as rushed. He could afford to hone that pocket presence instinct a bit. On the coaches tape for the INT, it's not so clear on the pre-snap read. Hodge didn't do the fly sweep motion until right at the snap when it appeared they were still showing, potentially, a man with single high safety look. It was a playaction pass, so Baker had his back to what William Jackson did after the snap. He still probably should have seen him after getting his eyes back around, but with the playaction his eyes weren't scanning the field during the fake. Stefanski might want to change the timing of the start of that sweep motion to a bit before the snap to better reveal any disguised coverage.
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Is it just me or did the refs miss a TON of calls in that game? The crackback block was BS. The LT for CIN was false starting every single snap.
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Is it just me or did the refs miss a TON of calls in that game? The crackback block was BS. The LT for CIN was false starting every single snap. I've watched enough football to believe there is a built in bias against the Browns. Not only were there a lot of missed calls that would have favored the Browns, they were blatantly obvious. The side judge watching the corner hold OBJs jersey was staring right at it. I believe this was the same judge that missed AJ Green being out of bounds on the first play. A call so obvious the Bengals weren't even waiting for a review to know the answer. Baker is very disliked by a lot of people. I'm sure refs are not immune to this. Burrow is the shiny new toy. Refs would have loved if he won. They were doing their best to make it happen.
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Is it just me or did the refs miss a TON of calls in that game? The crackback block was BS. The LT for CIN was false starting every single snap. They missed some on us, too. Wills had a pretty blatant hold that didn't get called. There was no preseason for the refs either.
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The LT for CIN was false starting every single snap.
I thought it was the right tackle. It seemed that way, but then again, I remember thinking Joe Thomas was doing that also.
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The sooner Sendejo and Thomas are off the field the better. I hope Greedy can actually play a few games this year. With Mitchell in the slot, and Greedy outside, and with Harrison at safety, I think there will be an improvement.
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Is it just me or did the refs miss a TON of calls in that game? The crackback block was BS. The LT for CIN was false starting every single snap. They missed some on us, too. Wills had a pretty blatant hold that didn't get called. There was no preseason for the refs either. In the end I would rather have some missed calls than calls every other play.
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Went shopping yesterday (Friday the 18th) and also today. Good to see so many fellow Clevelanders with Browns swag on. Made me feel good!
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Thank you ever so much! I thought I was imagining it, but I thought a bunch of false starts on them, and amazing amounts of holding. Don't want to approach officials about it if you are holding as well as they are.
I was impressed with Wills and the O-line Thursday. Also, the revers roll out was money. Is he fast enough to just bootleg that thing? Looked wide open. I am a believer of making their D need to prepare for as many things as you can manage to hurt opponents with, just to complicate their keys, prep, and thinking. Just more to consider and complicate responses. But first you need to hurt them with that something. Thursday did some of that.
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I wouldn't. He's an idiot, but more than that, he just isn't very good. He gets a lot of positive press because of the social justice thing, but his play has declined a ton over the past several years.
Just like Kaep. There were rumors of him being on the trading block before he kneeled. I said I didn't want him because the league figured him out. Blane Gabbert beat the dude out. Folks try and pretend that Kaep is better than he really is for political/social reasons.
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GC. I think those 2 plays were not only drive killers, but momentum shifters, and, not sure about the int. grounding, but the INT, the Browns had the lead at midfield and it's not 3rd down I think, I'm thinking there could have been a way to either slide, or throw the ball away and take the next snap. Both iirc, would have allowed the Browns to go up more than one score at the time, I think it could have been a blowout win, if you finish out both of those drives.
And demoralizing for Cincy.
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I hate the feeling of having a bad defense ... outside of the front 4 and Ward, I feel it’s one of the worst groups in the NFL. I really hope the addition of Greedy and Mack will help things.
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Is it just me or did the refs miss a TON of calls in that game? The crackback block was BS. The LT for CIN was false starting every single snap. The RT false started on Cincys last TD throw.
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Throwing away which you mentioned...agree there should have been an eligible Receiver somewhere to throw at the feet. But throwing it away deeper and out of bounds is what he should have done...no penalty as he was OUTSIDE THE TACKLE LINE all he had to do was get that ball over the LOS and it was a legit throw away. The penalty you refer to in that pass out of the endzone as a throw away the QB in that case was not outside of the Tackle ergo it was a called penalty. Baker was well out of the OT line.
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The RT false started on Cincys last TD throw.
From memory, their RT false started on back to back plays, the second was the TD. I'm all for less interference from the refs on ticky tacky penalties that are 50-50 at best .... but jersey pulls and 300lb linemen jumping early doesn't fall into "ticky tacky" in my book. That's just incompetent refereeing.
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Great video of Janovich. He’s one of my favorite in just two games. Good to root for guys who do the dirty work
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I see your links.. but after this game you question it?? Yes. Play action is more successful when you run passing plays out of heavy sets. Has nothing to do with running success. Doing things like having your offensive line fake a passing set then running the ball, or having 2 TE + a FB in then throwing off play action. This last game showed that Stefanski clearly understands how to run PA, unlike Freddie, who assumed PA would work just because of a function of the running game. Also, Bill Callahan has been a god send. He has developed a lot of players and is doing a lot of little things with play design from the offensive line that is allowing them to set up a defense. (Hopefully Joe Woods gets some pieces back so the Browns can get a stop. Tav Thomas and Sendajo cannot start for the Browns.)
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The RT false started on Cincys last TD throw.
From memory, their RT false started on back to back plays, the second was the TD. I'm all for less interference from the refs on ticky tacky penalties that are 50-50 at best .... but jersey pulls and 300lb linemen jumping early doesn't fall into "ticky tacky" in my book. That's just incompetent refereeing. Especially when both plays was a TD for the offense negated since the pull didnt let OBJ get to the ball, and and TD for the offense that SHOULD have been negated by the FS.
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The RT false started on Cincys last TD throw.
From memory, their RT false started on back to back plays, the second was the TD. I'm all for less interference from the refs on ticky tacky penalties that are 50-50 at best .... but jersey pulls and 300lb linemen jumping early doesn't fall into "ticky tacky" in my book. That's just incompetent refereeing. Especially when both plays was a TD for the offense negated since the pull didnt let OBJ get to the ball, and and TD for the offense that SHOULD have been negated by the FS. We always play against the opponents and the refs, it seems.
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