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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Science has proven you wrong many times over. It's not a part of your "freedom" to infect and kill Americans.

Go Live In A Cave Then! (namecalling, I'm not allowed to call someone something that rhymes with unscaredy not a cat)
I'm MAD! Get over yourselves! flamingmad flamingmad flamingmad

And your science is not a Religion, We don't have to follow it! Can't turn your science into a religion
Ban on establishment of a national religion!

Oh, Why don't your Crowd go ask the Japanese people who cleaned up after Fukishima for what attitude you need to adopt!

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I'm MAD! Get over yourselves! flamingmad flamingmad flamingmad


Wah. You sound like Pocapornstar


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Originally Posted By: bbrowns32
Originally Posted By: GMdawg
It's about time people stopped fighting the cops and breaking the rules then blaming the damn cops.


I agree, but I'll add that the police response must be with no more than appropriate force...

I couldn't find the original quote
People need to learn what I'm about to say next, even though 40% of the time it won't apply.

Yeah! 40% of the time is almost half the cases, almost half the cases, what I'm about to say won't matter, but 60% of the time, if people would just learn it, it could make 100% of the difference.

If people would just wait to have their constitutional rights discussion until after they agree to sit in the back of a patrol car, and go in front of a judge, it would make all the difference.
60 percent of the time.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Coronavirus mutation emerges that may bypass mask-wearing, hand-washing protections

New strain contains higher loads of the virus, may be more contagious

By Jackie Salo | New York Post


A new COVID-19 mutation appears to be even more contagious, according to a study — and experts say it could be a response by the virus to defeat masks and other social-distancing efforts.

Scientists in a paper published Wednesday identified a new strain of the virus, which accounted for 99.9 percent of cases during the second wave in the Houston, Texas, area, the Washington Post reported.

The paper, which has not been peer-reviewed, said people with the strain, known as the D614G mutation, had higher loads of virus — suggesting it is more contagious.

Though the strain isn’t more deadly, researchers said it appeared to have adapted better to spread among humans.

David Morens, a virologist at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the findings suggest that the virus may become more contagious and that this “may have implications for our ability to control it.”

He said it’s possible that the virus had evolved to resist efforts such as hand-washing and social distancing.

“Wearing masks, washing our hands, all those things are barriers to transmissibility, or contagion, but as the virus becomes more contagious, it statistically is better at getting around those barriers,” Morens told the newspaper

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-m...ing-protections


Oh No! ^ Read This.

Yo Yo Yo Check this out! I wouldn't be surprised...

if this virus doesn't evolve so the only way to combat it is to lock yourselves in padded cells.

Think about it.

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Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Think about it.


You sound like the blind mute talking to the deaf man over a disconnected telephone.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG

I'm MAD! Get over yourselves! flamingmad flamingmad flamingmad


Wah. You sound like Pocapornstar


As that says nothing.
I basically left PitDawg speechless,
A Feather in my Cap! I consider it.

That's the new ice bucket challenge,

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rofl

You basically said nothing. As usual.


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204k and counting. people can blow this off if they want to. Rona sure isn't. She's a hungry overweight american, and we're Golden Corral.


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While people are promoting the very lack of practices that would help to keep the death rate lower.

Murica!


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Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
It's about time people stopped fighting the cops and breaking the rules then blaming the damn cops.


I agree, but I'll add that the police response must be with no more than appropriate force...

I couldn't find the original quote
People need to learn what I'm about to say next, even though 40% of the time it won't apply.

Yeah! 40% of the time is almost half the cases, almost half the cases, what I'm about to say won't matter, but 60% of the time, if people would just learn it, it could make 100% of the difference.

If people would just wait to have their constitutional rights discussion until after they agree to sit in the back of a patrol car, and go in front of a judge, it would make all the difference.
60 percent of the time.


Ummmm....you lost me there somewhere. At least 60% of the time.


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Covid-19,:
Economy shutdown, :

Emergency situation: Unprecedented:

( I went to fill up gasoline, it says, 18.9 cents, federal tax,
38+ cents, Ohio tax)

Well, shoot! I survived the Bush years when it was 4 dollars a gallon, in price, for a Year! and it's been 2-2.50 for the last couple years.

Double the Federal Gasoline tax, for 5 years, we can survive it

If the Governors didn't shut down the economy for half a year, Like I said from the start, then this wouldn't be necessary.

In 5 years there will be room to cut it, being that it was never adjusted for inflation, it's pretty much been dropping in real value anyway.

They should double it one time, for the federal, and not adjust it for inflation, and in general, lower taxes are better economicaly

But because in 2020, everybody from the governors to the protesters, ruined everything, we need to tourniquet all possible areas.

Double the Federal Gasoline tax, one time for 5 years, and spend it on NOTHING! Nothing but absorbing the budget deficit.
Austerity! Austerity has to come from somewhere, A stitch in time saves 9, There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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j/c:

Due to political reasons, I feel that the public has been given a lot of misinformation form both sides. It's becoming increasingly difficult to sift through all the claims.

Not sure if people are watching college football. Folks are congregating in the stands w/out masks. The announcers say they are social distancing, but they are not. Schools are open and the huge surge that was predicted has not occurred. Private bars have sprung up and people are shoulder to shoulder and there have not been huge increases. Thousands and thousands of folks have been protesting and huge outbreaks did not come to reality.

I am still practicing safe habits and will continue to do so. It's better to error on the side of caution. But, I am starting to wonder how valid some of these claims are? I feel the GOP misled us about the virus for economic/political reasons and now I am starting to wonder if the Dems and their supporters are overstating things and inflating numbers for political reasons.

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Originally Posted By: THROW LONG

Double the Federal Gasoline tax, one time for 5 years, and spend it on NOTHING! Nothing but absorbing the budget deficit.


The US Consumes 142 billion gallons of gasoline a year.

If you add an additional 18 cents per gallon, you make $25.56 billion/year

The national debt is $26,700 billion

Since Trump Took Office, the National Debt has been increasing by $5.01 billion/day (or $1828 billion/year)

1.) They should definitely increase the national gas tax. Probably quadruple it.

2.) This is still a drop in the bucket.

**Note, about half the gas that is consumed is tax free as well -- since it is used for farming or other commercial vehicles.

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Due to political reasons, I feel that the public has been given a lot of misinformation form both sides. It's becoming increasingly difficult to sift through all the claims.

Not sure if people are watching college football. Folks are congregating in the stands w/out masks. The announcers say they are social distancing, but they are not. Schools are open and the huge surge that was predicted has not occurred. Private bars have sprung up and people are shoulder to shoulder and there have not been huge increases. Thousands and thousands of folks have been protesting and huge outbreaks did not come to reality.

I am still practicing safe habits and will continue to do so. It's better to error on the side of caution. But, I am starting to wonder how valid some of these claims are? I feel the GOP misled us about the virus for economic/political reasons and now I am starting to wonder if the Dems and their supporters are overstating things and inflating numbers for political reasons.



I mean, 900 people/day are still dying, but sure...

I think we've mostly just gotten bored of it.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
j/c:

Due to political reasons, I feel that the public has been given a lot of misinformation form both sides. It's becoming increasingly difficult to sift through all the claims.

Not sure if people are watching college football. Folks are congregating in the stands w/out masks. The announcers say they are social distancing, but they are not. Schools are open and the huge surge that was predicted has not occurred. Private bars have sprung up and people are shoulder to shoulder and there have not been huge increases. Thousands and thousands of folks have been protesting and huge outbreaks did not come to reality.

I am still practicing safe habits and will continue to do so. It's better to error on the side of caution. But, I am starting to wonder how valid some of these claims are? I feel the GOP misled us about the virus for economic/political reasons and now I am starting to wonder if the Dems and their supporters are overstating things and inflating numbers for political reasons.



This is all 100% true.

If Biden gets elected you may never hear about Covid again.

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Originally Posted By: Rishuz

This is all 100% true.

If Biden gets elected you may never hear about Covid again.


So the Democrats have somehow made it front page news on every paper throughout the rest of the world too?

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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
j/c:

Due to political reasons, I feel that the public has been given a lot of misinformation form both sides. It's becoming increasingly difficult to sift through all the claims.

Not sure if people are watching college football. Folks are congregating in the stands w/out masks. The announcers say they are social distancing, but they are not. Schools are open and the huge surge that was predicted has not occurred. Private bars have sprung up and people are shoulder to shoulder and there have not been huge increases. Thousands and thousands of folks have been protesting and huge outbreaks did not come to reality.

I am still practicing safe habits and will continue to do so. It's better to error on the side of caution. But, I am starting to wonder how valid some of these claims are? I feel the GOP misled us about the virus for economic/political reasons and now I am starting to wonder if the Dems and their supporters are overstating things and inflating numbers for political reasons.



This is all 100% true.

If Biden gets elected you may never hear about Covid again.


Man I wish you deniers ( I wish I could call you all something much different) could follow me or other nurses for a day. You’d wilt. Screw you all.


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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
j/c:

Due to political reasons, I feel that the public has been given a lot of misinformation form both sides. It's becoming increasingly difficult to sift through all the claims.

Not sure if people are watching college football. Folks are congregating in the stands w/out masks. The announcers say they are social distancing, but they are not. Schools are open and the huge surge that was predicted has not occurred. Private bars have sprung up and people are shoulder to shoulder and there have not been huge increases. Thousands and thousands of folks have been protesting and huge outbreaks did not come to reality.

I am still practicing safe habits and will continue to do so. It's better to error on the side of caution. But, I am starting to wonder how valid some of these claims are? I feel the GOP misled us about the virus for economic/political reasons and now I am starting to wonder if the Dems and their supporters are overstating things and inflating numbers for political reasons.



This is all 100% true.

If Biden gets elected you may never hear about Covid again.


Easily one of the dumbest comments ever.


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Easily one of the dumbest comments ever.


I can top that..... Here hold my beer wink


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27 states have seen increases in cases. Eight of those states by over 60%.

Scientists don't have "a side" unless you're drinking the koolaid.


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j/c:

Here is the latest report from the CDC regarding survival rates for various age groups. This will either be ignored or met w/deflection because it is an election year.

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CDC COVID-19 Survival Rates

Age 0-19 — 99.997%
Age 20-49 — 99.98%
Age 50-69 — 99.5%
Age 70+ — 94.6%


I saw this news here: https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/09/26/cdc-releases-updated-covid-19-fatality-rate-data/

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205,000 dead Americans and counting. How many more deaths will it take until people stop doing everything they can to downplay it?


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LOL..........here is how an obviously right leaning radio station reported the findings of the CDC.

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New CDC Data States COVID-19 Survival Rates Extremely High
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Published: September 28, 2020



The CDC updates its data with great news for America and the world and according to the mainstream news if never happened. Why is the "news" organizations not reporting this new data every day if not every hour as they do with their many times' false negative stories? This data was published on September 10th and I did not hear about it until 16 days later.

On September 10th the U.S. Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention (CDC) updated its estimated Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) parameters to include age-specific data. This data demonstrates that almost all people who contract the COVID-19 virus actually survive. The way the Democratic Governor’s, other elected Democratic politicians and the media discuss and report the virus you would think most people who contract it die.

CDC’s new IFR survivability estimates after contracting the virus are broken down by age as part of the agency’s “COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios” are as follows:

0-19 years old survivability rate is 99.997%
20-49 years old survivability rate is 99.98%
50-69 years old survivability rate is 99.5%
70 years old or older survivability rate is 94.6%

To put that in a different perspective the CDC’s new estimate for the death rate after contracting COVID-19 by age are:

0-19 years old death rate is .003%
20-49 years old death rate is .02%
50-69 years old death rate is .5%%
70 years old or older death rate is 5.4%

What do these numbers show? They show the vast majority of Americans face no risk, virtually no risk from COVID-19. For people aged one year to 69 years, the survival rate post-infection with COVID is over 99.5%. For young people under the age of 20, which is most college students, who are being thrown out of school for hanging out outside and congregating with more people than their government allows them to, the survival rate according to the CDC is 99.997%.

We then find out that experts at Oxford University have determined that approximately 30% of those included in Britain’s Office for National Statistics' (ONS) coronavirus deaths toll over the summer actually died primarily from other conditions.

The question is why are all these Governor’s, especially Democratic governors like Whitmer, Newsom, Cuomo doing what they are doing to “we the people”? Especially what these people are doing to our High School-aged children and college-aged young adults.

Because of politics, it is an election year and they feel they can gain power by scaring people and ruining some of their lives.

That my friends is pathetic, sickening and evil.


Read More: New CDC Data States COVID-19 Survival Rates Extremely High | https://wbckfm.com/new-cdc-data-states-c...medium=referral


https://wbckfm.com/new-cdc-data-states-covid-19-survival-rates-extremely-high/



Like I said earlier, this virus is being politicized by people on both sides. It wasn't such a dumb statement after all.

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You understand that a large majority of people have cardiovascular and pulmonary damage after defeating the virus, right?

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You understand that MOST people have cardiovascular and pulmonary damage, regardless, right?

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I shared those numbers w/my wife and she said she knew about them. She said that the people who really are at risk are those w/diabetes and who are obese. It's sad, but those people are at risk from so many different things.

While some might not like the survival rates due to political preferences and the leverage that can be created, I am thrilled that the survival rate is so high.

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Hispanics get significantly sicker than whites or blacks with similar risk factors.

Also copd\emphysema\asthma


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You understand that MOST people have cardiovascular and pulmonary damage, regardless, right?


I think he was referring to the studies that show a significant people with no prior heart or lung disease end up with long term issues. To soon to tell if it will "just" be months or if it will be permanent.

This includes asymptomatic patients found to have developed heart abnormalities.


https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eason-viability


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And soon trump will throw Atlas under the bus.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politic...s-task-n1241221

WASHINGTON — The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has grown increasingly concerned that President Donald Trump, pushed by a new member of his coronavirus task force, is sharing incorrect information about the pandemic with the public.

Dr. Robert Redfield, who leads the CDC, suggested in a conversation with a colleague Friday that Dr. Scott Atlas is arming Trump with misleading data about a range of issues, including questioning the efficacy of masks, whether young people are susceptible to the virus and the potential benefits of herd immunity.

"Everything he says is false," Redfield said during a phone call made in public on a commercial airline and overheard by NBC News.

Redfield acknowledged after the flight from Atlanta to Washington that he was speaking about Atlas, a neuroradiologist with no background in infectious diseases or public health. Atlas was brought on to the White House task force in August.


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I shared those numbers w/my wife and she said she knew about them. She said that the people who really are at risk are those w/diabetes and who are obese. It's sad, but those people are at risk from so many different things.

While some might not like the survival rates due to political preferences and the leverage that can be created, I am thrilled that the survival rate is so high.


The families of dead relatives will never be thrilled about anything related to the virus that trump helped bring to their doorsteps. But yeah the survival rate is thrilling. Pffft trump supporters rolleyes


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How did I know folks would deflect and/or ignore this positive news?

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I shared those numbers w/my wife and she said she knew about them. She said that the people who really are at risk are those w/diabetes and who are obese. It's sad, but those people are at risk from so many different things.

While some might not like the survival rates due to political preferences and the leverage that can be created, I am thrilled that the survival rate is so high.


The families of dead relatives will never be thrilled about anything related to the virus that trump helped bring to their doorsteps. But yeah the survival rate is thrilling. Pffft trump supporters rolleyes


Whether the mortality rate is 1% - 0.5% - slightly lower or somewhere in the middle ..... the fact is that this is a contagious virus that is infecting large numbers. Large numbers with a small(ish) mortality rate still means a lot of dead victims. 1/2% mortality rate means 1 in 200 die. We are at 37,000 new cases a day .... 185 new fatal cases a day.

Sure that is better than the 1%+ that was feared and we saw early on before treatment got better .... but it's not something to shrug off and say that CV-19 suddenly doesn't matter any more.

Plus we still don't know the long term impact of getting a serious bout of CV-19 has.

Plus we don't know how long or effective immunity lasts.

Plus we are coming into the regular seasonal flu season and don't know how that will affect the situation.

We'll all be glad when a vaccine arrives that's safe and has gone through full testing/protocols .... but then there is an enormous logistical challenge to get 100,000,000+ shots where they need to be administered - possibly twice, possibly 3 times.


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I have more and more and more friends who are Trump supporters convinced this is a hoax and an effort to get Trump out of office. They are all saying the numbers are inflated, the mortality rate is low and we should just open the whole country up .... I don't agree with any of that.


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Positive news? notallthere The death rate is on the rise again. We’re still in the first wave of the virus. Pffft.... trump supporters are thrilled.


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
And soon trump will throw Atlas under the bus.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politic...s-task-n1241221

WASHINGTON — The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has grown increasingly concerned that President Donald Trump, pushed by a new member of his coronavirus task force, is sharing incorrect information about the pandemic with the public.

Dr. Robert Redfield, who leads the CDC, suggested in a conversation with a colleague Friday that Dr. Scott Atlas is arming Trump with misleading data about a range of issues, including questioning the efficacy of masks, whether young people are susceptible to the virus and the potential benefits of herd immunity.

"Everything he says is false," Redfield said during a phone call made in public on a commercial airline and overheard by NBC News.

Redfield acknowledged after the flight from Atlanta to Washington that he was speaking about Atlas, a neuroradiologist with no background in infectious diseases or public health. Atlas was brought on to the White House task force in August.


When asked for a response to this article, Atlas shrugged.


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So, the survival/death rate has been extremely high the entire time and the media and certain posters never let us know about it? My two kids had the virus and no thought to tell me about this? Seriously?

The media and the Dems won't tell us the truth because it is more important to use it as a political tool than anything else? Y'all are some despicable human beings.

Trump is, too. But, you are no better!!!

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So, the survival/death rate has been extremely high the entire time and the media and certain posters never let us know about it?


What is it you are trying to say? The data has been the data. That's what's been reported on regards mortality rates from the very beginning. It's also been consistent that those with pre-existing conditions and elderly were by far and away the most in danger.

Wake up - this isn't a Democratic hoax. The whole freaking world and the whole world's media has been through the same exact cycle of news/sensationalism/data/reporting/updates/revisions as the USA .... I know that holding Trump for his response to CV-19 is offensive to you and you want to call that politicizing the pandemic but only in your head and the other Trump supporters who are buying into yet another fake Trump narrative.


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