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Planning on re-watching the condensed version of the Baltimore game today. I'll see how many times he rolls right as a designed play - I didn't notice it so much during the game to be honest ... with reports of Wills struggling in TC, it might make sense to protect him against such a good D - but not if it comes at the expense of offensive efficiency.
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Full interview later today....
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WHAT..was the best thing that ever happened to him?
Be nice to know what he is talking about.
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Being quarantined, I believe he states that at the end.
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Thank you for putting all that down 'on paper'.
The one thing I'll say is in regards to Cinci watching what Balt did and implementing that. Few teams have the 'horses' that Balt does on defense (much less offense). Seeing and understanding what needs to be done is one thing, but having the personnel to execute what they did is another matter. I think this is especially pertinent when going against a team like Cinci. Polar opposites, roster-wise.
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So all it took for Odell to get his groove back was being quarantined due to a pandemic?
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j/c:
I don't think that Baker rolled right all that much on Sunday. Certainly, not nearly as much as last year.
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j/c:
I don't think that Baker rolled right all that much on Sunday. Certainly, not nearly as much as last year. I agree. Baker was great in the pocket. Only left when he had to. That wasn't the issue at all. The issue was purely between the ears.
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OBJ has no trade value as long as he is dropping 3rd and 2 uncontested passes.
He needs to step up his game, as the one he has going on is not very good.
There will be no playoffs. Can’t play with who we have out there and compounding it with garbage playcalling and worse execution. We don’t have good skill players on offense period. Browns 20 - Bears 17.
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OBJ has no trade value as long as he is dropping 3rd and 2 uncontested passes.
He needs to step up his game, as the one he has going on is not very good. They both need to step up their game ... I don't think either one can use the other's performance as justification for a bad game. I'm looking forward to a chemistry developing and a W tonight ..... And I can't believe it but Joe Thomas is actually 100% wrong. The QB is 100% reliant on several others doing their job. [1] the OL for blocking for him, and they did that pretty well all things considered vs Ravens. [2] The QB is also 100% reliant on receivers catching the ball.... Dropped balls and catch-able balls that are tipped and intercepted kill kill drives.
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Did anyone stop to consider that our last two HC's have determined that during practice, based on the actual evidence, that he hasn't earned more playing time? Yes, let's use our last two HCs, particularly the last one, as a good measuring stick for decision-making. Maybe you should try getting into the HC interview process. Let's see how far you would get. Stefanski seems to be on the same page Freddie was in regards to Higgins. Maybe you should be saying he sucks too after only one game to help boost your argument? 
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I don't think they were right as HC's and I have considered exactly that. We stuck with game-losing game plans and seldom improved major areas. Some of the silliest coaching I have seen happened last year. Not the yardstick needed. JMO.
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OBJ is trying to play himself out of Cleveland similar to the manner in which Amari Cooper did with the Raiders....drop enough balls, make enough bad plays and you will get your wish. Amari's dropsies disappeared fairly quickly in Dallas.
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Odell actually had a decent game last night, catching 4 of the 6 passes targeted at him..74 yds and a TD.
The best way for Odell to get out of Cleveland is to bust his butt and showcase his talent.
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I was astounded that OBJ caught the long ball for the TD. It bounced off his FACEMASK before he gathered it in. Weird.
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I was astounded that OBJ caught the long ball for the TD. It bounced off his FACEMASK before he gathered it in. Weird. Man, oh man... can you imagine if that perfect pass bounced off his face for in incompletion?? There's a damn decent possibility of a different outcome and him being run out of town this morning! Game of inches!
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I love those videos synched with Donovan
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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GC, For what it's worth, I wondered what is the most catches Odell has had so far, in a game, in a Browns uniform. Figured it wasn't more than 11, but thought it was 8, turns out 8 is correct. (No thought good or bad on that number)
For what it is worth here are Odell's game by game stats since joining the Browns in 2019.
Win,Loss, Opponent, score, Catches/per targets Yards, Touchdowns.
Loss Tennessee, 13-43 7/11 71 0 tds
Win, @NYJets, 23-3 6/10 161 1 td
Loss LA Rams, 13-20 6/9 56 0 tds
Win, @ Baltimore, 40-25 2/7 20 0 tds
Loss, @ San Francisco, 3-31 2/6 27 0 tds
Loss, Seattle, 28-32 6/11 101 0 tds
Loss, @ NWE, 13-27 5/7 52 yds 0 tds
Loss, @ Denver, 19-24 5/6, 87 yds 0 tds
Win, Buffalo, 19-16, 5/12, 57 yds 0 tds
Win, Pittsburgh, 21-7, 4/10, 60 yds 0 tds
Win, Miami, 41-24, 6/8, 84 yds 1 td
Loss, @ Pittsburgh, 13-20, 3/6 29 yds 0 tds
Win, Cincinnati, 27-19, 2/5 39 yds 0 tds
Loss @ Arizona, 24-38, 8/13 66 yds 0 tds
Loss Baltimore, 15-31, 4/6 44 yds 1 td
Loss @ Cincinnati, 23-33, 3/6 81 yds 1 td
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That ends the 2019 season and Next is the start of the 2020 season
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Loss @ Baltimore, 6-38, 3/10 22 yds 0 tds
Win Cincinnati, 35-30, 4/6 74 yds 1 td
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Tony Grossi is literally the last person I would to listen to about anything to do with the Browns. Doug Dieken also mentioned his body language. I agree with you on Grossi. Reporting what you saw is one thing, giving advice. . . GC. After 18 games in, can I as a fan finally accept Odell Beckaham, with whole heart as a Cleveland Browns fan, after all the free agent busts of the past Does he finaly have that free agent label taken away, that other teams jersey blown off of him so to speak? It's getting there.
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IN 2001, Kevin Johnson,
had 6 or more catches in 8 of his 16 games, 3 the fewest, 9 the most.
Kevin Johnson also had 9 touchdowns, a game with 2, and the rest 1, or 0 per game. 1000+ yards that year, his best, the team went 7-9.
And Tim Couch mostly that whole year,
Odell reaches the 6 catches mark in 6 of his last 18 games 1/3rd
Kevin Johnson reached the 6 catch mark in 8 of 16 games that year, his best year, 1/2/half.
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Did Kevin Johnson play that entire season injured?
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How many catches does Bekham end up with vs. Washington?
Over/Under. He has not had more than 8 in a Browns uniform,
He's the best WR in the world so I think set the over/under at 8,
catches on 10-11 targets,
if he gets 13 targets I want to see him get 10+ catches.
It is the NFL
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I’ll say he has another typical day for him ... something like 5 catches for 65 yards
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I have been waiting for this to make it to this thread, but I guess it doesn't fit w/the perception that OBJ is selfish and a cancer... Odell Beckham Jr. accepts he probably won't put up massive numbers in Browns' run-first offensePublished: Sep 25, 2020 at 09:37 AM Kevin Patra Odell Beckham Jr.'s expectations have been recalibrated after the first fortnight of the season displayed the type of offense that best suits the Cleveland Browns. No longer is OBJ seeking to put up monster numbers, but rather be part of the cog that could make the Browns the best running team in the NFL. "For me, one of my biggest growths has come in acceptance in a sense and for me knowing it's probably not going to be that kind of season [with huge numbers]," Beckham said Thursday, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "Like I always say, my goal is always going to be my goal, and I don't feel like I'm ever going to fall short of it. Like I said, learning and acceptance, so you set new goals.'' Beckham has seven catches for 96 yards and a TD through two games, most of that production coming in last Thursday's win over Cincinnati. During the Week 2 victory, the Browns unleashed a two-headed monster out of the backfield in Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt. With the duo cooking, there is no better tandem in the NFL. Beckham believes his duty now is to aid the Browns' running game, whether that's throwing a big block to spring one of them on the outside or stretching the field deep to keep safeties out of the box. "Having a game within a game, working on a release during a run game or working something else, a new goal -- aside from winning always," he said. "Nick Chubb needs to be the No. 1 rusher in the league or Kareem, too, as well. You have two legitimate No. 1 backs in the backfield, and our team is very, very, very good at running the football, so you have to play to your strengths. Then I think you learn where you fit in and where you're able to make your plays and how you can help the team.'' Despite the comments flying in the face of the outside perception of OBJ as a selfish player who demands the ball and attention, those who dislike the star receiver are still likely to find something to nitpick with his newfound acceptance. It's rarely about the content but rather the character that enflames wanton criticism. More simply put: Haters gonna hate. "I tell Chubb every day, 'I owe you. I owe you. I owe you,'" Beckham said. "I want that big block that springs him free just to see him running down the field, even though he's not going to give me any love after it and he's not going to have much emotion about it. Just to see him running free and down the sideline is going to be a great feeling. "I think a lot of my growth came in acceptance, acceptance of life and acceptance of things and just knowing that's what it's going to be and finding a way to create that block that springs him or whatever it is to help us win." If the Browns begin to win, the numbers will come for Beckham -- or defenses will have to live with Chubb and Hunt destroying them on the ground. Perhaps they won't be league-leading figures, but OBJ still plays a key role in Cleveland's offense. The wideout is at peace with that job. https://www.nfl.com/news/odell-beckham-jr-accepts-his-role-in-browns-run-first-offense
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Hopefully, Odell accepts whatever role or assignment he is expected to perform on every play.
He should be looking to sell a block on a "play/action pass" and bust off a big gain or a possible TD.
Just because the Browns' run game might be producing, it does not mean that the passing game can't be a potent option.
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It is important that he know he is important to our wins. He didn't seem like he was crazy working his routes today, but I think I saw him doing his job. We got him the ball for some momentum catches. He owns a piece of the win. He can be a relentless threat even though he may not get the ball forced to him. Hats off to him as a success today. 
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OBJ and jarvis are out here trying to punish DBs in the run game.
OBJ always seemed to be the most excited when we scored. the guy just wants to win.
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OBJ always seemed to be the most excited when we scored. I noticed this today as well. Man, I wanted to get him a dirty score late so bad.
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I think too often the discussion about Odell has fallen in to the "either or" trap that so many topics of all kinds falls in to these days. Like the ONLY 2 options are that Odell is a selfish cancer OR he's a model teammate everyone should aspire to be.
I don't think that's the case.
It's totally possible to have a great work ethic and be well liked, while at the same time be an attention whore who's antics can have a detrimental effect on the final product. While I don't think anyone can point to something specific he has done in the past that lost a game outright, or was just so egregious you could pin the season's woes squarely on him, things like the face shield, and the shoes, and constantly having to be shown where to line up... it reads as a guy who is well liked by his peers but also is on his own program. Being on one's own program isn't usually helpful to achieving team goals.
Again, I'm not pinning even a large part of last season's woes on Odell, but I do think he could have been more of a solution.
Having said that and dug up that little bit of dirt: those are all things we have not seen from him this year. We're not dealing with 15yrd penalties as we start to get some momentum because someone's shoes has too much glitter on them. When the offense lines up, everyone appears to know where they are supposed to be.
Between what we've seen from him so far this season and the interview you posted, it appears to me that Odell has taken a step forward in terms of his professional maturity. He seems to not only having bought in to the system, but also bought in to his role within that system. That's leadership. And the pay off from what I've seen the last couple of weeks is that this offense is much more cohesive and less forced. So maybe Odell didn't make the highlight reel this week. He made some important catches that helped prevent the Browns from being the same old Browns and letting WFT take over the game.
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OBJ and jarvis are out here trying to punish DBs in the run game.
Kinda like our very own Hines Ward - x2. Hines and that damned grin of his.... he LOVED to block in the run game and then would destroy us in the pass game. We just didn't get a play off from him. Now, we have two receivers every bit as talented as Hines, and more, that are also loving to block in the run game. This bodes very, very well for us. People need to let go of their hate for Odell image that is manufactured by the TMZ-ish media and learn to appreciate the football player we have on our team.
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I think right now, OBJ has one more pass defended than Sandejo
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OBJ had his best game of the season yesterday according to PFF. His grade of 76.6 was 3rd on the offensive side of the ball, trailing only Bitonio and Teller.
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OBJ and jarvis are out here trying to punish DBs in the run game.
Kinda like our very own Hines Ward - x2. Hines and that damned grin of his.... he LOVED to block in the run game and then would destroy us in the pass game. We just didn't get a play off from him. Now, we have two receivers every bit as talented as Hines, and more, that are also loving to block in the run game. This bodes very, very well for us. People need to let go of their hate for Odell image that is manufactured by the TMZ-ish media and learn to appreciate the football player we have on our team. Hodge has been doing a great job of blocking downfield, as well.
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OBJ had his best game of the season yesterday according to PFF. His grade of 76.6 was 3rd on the offensive side of the ball, trailing only Bitonio and Teller. Solid game, and I doubt his PFF score was impacted by the fact that his best play was preventing the INT.
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I wonder if they do include things like that? Probably not, but maybe.
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I believe PFF do take that sort of play into account. Just like that play would count negatively towards Baker's grade. That's sort of the point/rationale of PFF grading the players performance rather than relying on stats.... Baker's throw 'could/should' have been an interception, he get's dinged for that more than a simple incompletion. OBJ preventing the play is a good play and his grade should reflect it. That's how my understanding of how PFF grades have always worked.
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https://www.pff.com/gradesOn the one example diagram for QB grading it states "Badly thrown ball that should have been intercepted" .... it doesn't go into WR analysis.
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OBJ had his best game of the season yesterday according to PFF. His grade of 76.6 was 3rd on the offensive side of the ball, trailing only Bitonio and Teller. Things seemed different between him and Baker yesterday, in a good way. It seemed like they were in sync. Baker threw the ball to him with anticipation, which, to me, signifies more trust and understanding between the two. Hope it continues on from here.
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