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Well, according to the site's explanation for how WRs are graded, they wouldn't even receive credit for blocking. That wouldn't make much sense.

Their ratings aren't complete that is for sure. I know the LB rankings are the most flawed. It's hard to find a LB who is graded over 70 on PFF.

Regardless of this, there is no way a WR of OBJ's caliber should be averaging 4 catches and 65 yds a game. Quite honestly that's pathetic. And an indictment on the QB.

I'm hoping OBJ can have some big games as the season progresses.

Perhaps, and maybe not perhaps. We have Landry, as well, and tight ends, and a running game that is awesome.

It shouldn't be about individual stats, it should be about wins. JMO

So, averaging over 170yds per game rushing and averaging 8 different receivers catching passes per game has nothing to do with this, right?

You do realize that there is an offensive scheme at work here, correct? OBJ averaging 15+ YPC is not a bad thing.

This is such a bad take. This is the Colin Cowherd, Steven A. derivative garbage that I hear all day on ESPN.

Let's take everything out of context and ignore the fact that we are running for 175 yards a game and winning by two scores.

One thing for sure.......Baker's problems are always the fault of others and the struggles of others have absolutely nothing to do w/Baker. Such is DawgTalkers.

I got four posters pretty worked up.

And that's just the ones that responded.

LOL

Seeing as how I wasn't 'pretty worked up', and really none of the replies were from people 'pretty worked up', to whom are you referring?

Worked up lol?

You made an outrageous statement, people pointed it out! Don't flatter yourself.

BTW... Since when is over 1000 yards per season "pathetic"? Asking for a friend.

Based on your own standards of how you like to judge others and their posts ... this is a flat out lie.

I don't think Rish's statement was outrageous. Receivers are extremely dependent on their qbs.

Now, you might not agree w/Baker hurting OBJ.......but, QB play absolutely influences the production of a WR. Maybe more than any other single position/unit on the field.

No doubt. The qb throws the ball.

Here's the deal, for those attacking Baker. First, we have several receiver threats. Second, a ground game second to none. Third, if Baker is forced to feed OBJ, that kind of negates the other weapons, not?

Well let's see. Since OBJ has put on the uniform he has dwarfed his career average in drops, hasn't shown that he knows the play book, has routinely not lined up in the right place or ran the correct pattern. Don't we all talk about "chemistry" and "rapport" between QBs and WRs? I would say they both need to hold up their end of the bargain before blame can be placed on either individually. And that's basically what the entire board has done since the beginning.

Yet - Rish says it is all Baker's fault.

"Quite honestly that's pathetic. And an indictment on the QB."

I do think it's outrageous, it totally ignores any responsibility by OBJ to hold up his end of the bargain and blames everything on the QB.

BTW... not getting into a useless argument over an outrageous statement, so this will be my last response on the "boo-hoo, poor OBJ" topic.

OBJ's numbers are down because of Baker.

If I say it that way, is it still outrageous?

I wasn't saying I agreed w/Rish. I was just saying it wasn't an outrageous statement. I don't think Baker has been very good and that effects OBJ, but I am not blaming Baker for all of it or even most of it. There are a lot of factors involved.

You, Fate, magee88, and strife.

I guess it depends on the context and depth of the conversation. On the surface - there is truth to the statement. Blaming it all on Baker is, well, outrageous lol.

Quick question: What do you think is more responsible for OBJs "lack of production"...

A. Baker Mayfield

B. The most potent running attack in the NFL


BTW... Would it be outrageous to say Baker's numbers are down because of OBJ?

I'm not even sure what we are debating. Your have a top 5 WR in the game. You have a QB who is really struggling. OBJ's numbers are down. OBJ didn't all of a sudden turn into a bad receiver. This isn't rocket science.

Is it 100% Baker's fault? Nothing is ever 100% someone's fault. But it's mostly on him.

If you think my calm statement of fact was "worked up", your ego is...........well...

Bake hasn’t been “really struggling” the past two weeks.

My ego is enormous.

Calm down dude.

Can't calm down anymore.....I'm so chill it's cool. You didn't get me, or anyone, worked up.

Don't you get it bro? He hasn't been perfect, therefore he sucks. And the worst part... OBJ is only on pace for 1000 yards... because that's what matters.

"Really struggling", another ridiculous statement.

I like you Arch.

I'm glad you didn't get worked up.

So, as I read the Odell thread, a thought popped into mind.

I wonder if Odell, as good as he is, is happier being a player instead of The Man.

Bear with me here.

From a quick bit of google, I see that he was only on one winning team with the Giants, although he was their (arguably) best player for those years.

Now as The Man in NY, the pressure was on him constantly to be the hero and win games. I bet that pressure can really grind on you.

So he comes here, and is expected to be The Man, and win games and catch everything and get 200 yards per game. Once again, here comes the grinding pressure.

On to this season.

Stefanski tells him what the offense is going to be. OBJ is now no longer going to have to shoulder the mantle of The Man. He can pass that pressure off to Mayfield and Chubb and Hunt, and just be the player WR1. He seems to be a bit looser in games, playing ball like he did at LSU, enjoying the blocking and the success of his teammates.

Is he happier? I don’t know.

Will he be happier on a team that is winning even if he’s not the centerpiece? I don’t know.

Just a little musing on his state of mind in the new setting.

Feel free to opine.

I posted an article about OBJ's attitude and his role on the previous page. You can read it there or click here:
https://www.nfl.com/news/odell-beckham-jr-accepts-his-role-in-browns-run-first-offense

So Baker followed the play calling. Did what was asked of him. He went 16-23 for 2td's and no int's.

In light of that, what would his problems be?

I did read that, and was pleasantly surprised by his candor.

This is one of the more interesting takes I've read.
Food for thought.

Of course, it's impossible to know for sure, but it most definitely doesn't fall outside the realm of possibility.

I could live with those numbers every game. Not sure what the rating is like that yet. But it seems as we are getting into people and production, BM is doing quite well. What is the knock for on winning.

No lead is safe with this secondary; hope we get to keep looking there. Is it people, or is it what is taught/ called? You win (and lose) with people like the book said.

FYI: I checked. Three in row for wins is technically termed a "streak" in NFL parlance. We are free to use it as such in our discussions and posting this week. Enjoy among yourselves!

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shoutout to all the posters and haters in the national media that said we needed to trade him!

I was one of them -slightly - but I love him this evening.

That may be what streak means in the NFL, but in fandom streak means in your shorts, like the team gave us most of the 4th quarter.

It got more tense than it should have, but the prevent was the right call there. Mostly.

The Giants always had a terrible run game while Beckham was there. He is now on the best running team in the NFL. He is going to have lower numbers. Beckham isn't the focal point in Cleveland as he was in New York. That, and he didn't have many great receivers with him. Here at have more options.

Very happy for Odell AND the TEAM. Ain't it wonderful to see the players and coaches respecting each other AND playing as a team.
Most valuable person on team....lots of them, but my money is on Coach S. He's made a hell of a difference...all the coaches, Bill C. is gold....players play but Coach S has them pulling together.....GO Browns!!!!