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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

This is a site that has been posted and referred to many, many times on these boards and has nothing to do with media bias or spin ... it's data.

This:

So, the survival/death rate has been extremely high the entire time and the media and certain posters never let us know about it? My two kids had the virus and no thought to tell me about this? Seriously?

The media and the Dems won't tell us the truth because it is more important to use it as a political tool than anything else? Y'all are some despicable human beings.

Trump is, too. But, you are no better!!!

How can the survival and the death rate be extremely high.... that makes zero sense.

As for what the media tells you ... I answered that directly. But hey, I know you don't like that. so you do you and deflect and call me despicable.

Once again, you misrepresented my message. But, you will win because Pit, OCD, Swish, Rocket, Perfect will back you.

Congrats.

All I know is that you guys sicken me even more than you did before. My kids were diagnosed w/the virus and not one of your told me about these numbers. The media did not publicize them either, which tells me even more about how this virus has been reported.

You trump supporters will never learn. ........winning!? We all be losing because of trump.

https://www.businessinsider.com/pence-banned-cdc-extending-cruise-ban-axios-2020-9


Mike Pence reportedly overruled the CDC on extending a cruise ship ban to 2021, the latest example of the White House sidelining expert advice in the pandemic
Bill Bostock 1 hour ago



Vice President Mike Pence stopped the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from extending a ban on cruise-ship journeys until 2021, Axios reported.

Pence, who heads the White House coronavirus task force, told CDC Director Robert Redfield that extending the "no-sail order" to February 2021 was unfeasible, the report said.

The ban on cruises was first imposed on March 14, 2020, and has been extended twice.
The news is the latest in a string of stories showing how the White House has sidelined scientific advice during the pandemic.

In July, four former CDC directors wrote an op-ed in The Washington Post that said: "Trying to fight this pandemic while subverting scientific expertise is like fighting blindfolded."

The no-sail order was due to expire on Wednesday, September 30. USA Today reported late Tuesday that it had been extended, but only until October 31.

Vice President Mike Pence prevented the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from extending the ban on cruise-ship travel into 2021, Axios reported.

On Tuesday, Pence and CDC director Robert Redfield met in the White House Situation Room to discuss the state of the withered cruise industry, two White House coronavirus task force sources told the news outlet.

The CDC first imposed a 30-day "no-sail order" on cruise ships on March 14, 2020, which was extended on July 16.

The ban expired on Wednesday, September 30, with Redfield asking to extend the order until February 2021, Axios said.

But Pence told Redfield that couldn't happen, the report said.

Later on Tuesday, USA Today reported that the ban had been extended, but only until October 31.

The news is the latest in a string of examples showing how the White House is ignoring scientific advice during the coronavirus pandemic.

In early April — following a CDC notice advising people to wear face coverings — Trump told reporters: "I don't think I'm going to be doing it."

A week later, The New York Times reported that Dr. Anthony Fauci, the US' top infectious-disease expert, had advised the White House to enforce social-distancing measures since February, but that his advice was ignored.

Fauci later confirmed the Times report. Social-distancing guidelines were finally issued by the US government on March 16.

On May 8, a CDC official said that White House had chosen to ignore much of the agency's 17-page reopening plan for the country.

The Trump administration has also ignored and even criticized CDC advice on reopening schools. Kayleigh McEnany, the White House press secretary, said on July 16 that "science should not stand in the way of' schools reopening."

In an op-ed in published in The Washington Post on July 14, four former directors of the CDC wrote: "Trying to fight this pandemic while subverting scientific expertise is like fighting blindfolded."

And on July 20, at least 1,200 members of the US National Academy of Sciences signed a letter that slammed Trump's "denigration of scientific expertise."

Earlier this month Politico reported, citing leaked emails, that Trump political appointee Dr. Paul Alexander accused career scientists of trying to undermine the president's campaign to reopen schools.

The New York Times also reported that a controversial guideline published by the CDC in August — which said that those exposed to the novel coronavirus but did not show symptoms should not seek a test — was in fact written that by Trump officials and published despite scientists' objetions. The CDC has since retracted that advice.

Money over life.

I question the sanity of anyone voluntarily boarding a cruise ship during a pandemic. But common sense has been thrown out the window these days. No surprises.

Also you gotta love school administrators blaming the kids for all the out breaks on their campus’s and not their own lack of preparation and safety for their students.

You got nothing but support from everyone when your family members were diagnosed with CV-19.

The fact that there is a TON of information out there that you didn't find or research when your family members were sick is not my fault or the fault of the board. Mortality rates have been discussed in the media since March. Early indications that the rate might be as high as 2-3% - but even then, or certainly by April, it was reported extensively how this virus was much much more dangerous for the elderly ... over time they added the issues with pre-existing conditions.

The fact that you lash out, name call and blame others for what you failed to find and research is a reflection of you and epitomizes what you have become on these boards.

A search for "mortality rate" shows a slew of posts dating back o 4/4/2020. I can't see them because I get a ""404 - File or directory not found."" message when I click on a link.

To add to the earlier posts. . . the relatively high 2-3% death rates were based on information from Europe - especially Italy when it was being ravaged. As time has gone on and our treatment of the virus and those infected has refined and improved - the rate has steadily decreased.

j/c:

Folks on this board and the media tell us about the number of deaths from Covid occur multiple times daily, yet the survival rates have been hidden from us.

Guys like 888 can blow smoke up our asses all they want, but y'all are some despicable souls and the media is even worse. The intention was to deceive in order to win at politics. There is a reason why I despise the media and folks like 888 and Pit.

sup with trump supporters and putting things up their asses?

smoke, covid cures, etc.

leave that crap on pornhub.

A typical disgusting response from the left. You guys are disgraceful.

says the guy voting for a white supremacist.

Says the guy who threatened to murder cops.

which is why im not running for president.

you're supporting a white supremacist as POTUS. i guess i can start referring to you as a grand wizard.

you like white robes, or the shiney green ones some of them wear? lemme know, i got you.

As always, the name-calling left never disappoints.

if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

as a matter of fact, stay in the kitchen, and go make me a sandwich.

More lies from you. By your own definition.

I know you are smarter than this - but I'll make it REALLY freaking simple.

If the MORTALITY RATE is projected to be - say - 2%.... WHAT DO YOU THINK THE SURVIVAL RATE IS ??????

If - to use another example - the mortality rate drops to 1% .... what do you now think the survival rate adjusts to ????

Get out of here with your fake ass name calling, crying and being a victim.

If you really struggle to figure out that the rest of the people that don't die from Covid end up surviving and still want to name call, lash out and attack others for your own short comings, it just goes in the bucket with all the other things that YOU are that you continually attack and accuse others of.

This is 100% a YOU problem.... not a media or board problem. Support Trump all you like - but this lying and name calling and attacking others for your own issues is truly tiring.

I will stand by every word I said. Y'all make me sick w/your lies and deceptive techniques. I even predicted this is what you would do. It's what your little group always does.

What I do know is this...........I feel a lot safer now than I did when I was listening to the lies of the media and the likes of you.

Vers post like a scorned woman in a lifetime movie.

That's because you are the perennial and eternal victim.

There is no "Group" despite you continually trying to add posters to it whenever you don't like the truth being posted ... hell you've added Jester and Clem and Obber to it in the last week I think??? Pffft.

And once again.........we go from the actual statistics of the survival rate to multiple attacks by the same group of posters who pollute this forum on a daily basis.

Yeah and in the last hour we've had:









And of course includede in one of these posts was this WHOPPER of a lie



When in fact ANY and EVERY time the media or the board talks about the MORTALITY rate ... we are simultaneously, absolutely, totally also talking about SURVIVABILITY RATES. One is the inverse of the other. Period.

I didn't attack you bro, I was just laughing at you is all...

He has to talk about the thrilling news of surviving a deadly virus and not the mortality of it. It’s how trump supporters are justifying their decision this November.

This is what it sounds like when school children blame others for not doing their homework for them.

"It's your fault you didn't give me all the answers!"

I'm glad you despise me. I pity you.

But it's even simpler than that - and by his own standards of trying to call posters "liar" he is outright lying . . . . to talk of the mortality rate is to talk about the survivability/recovery rate. If 1% die from Covid... 99% survive.

I get what you are saying here, but I can't help myself when it comes to math. I have to point out that is not an inverse. A multiplicative inverse, which is what you are likely referring to is the reciprocal. e.g. 1/Mortality Rate. What I think you want to say is that SurvRate = 100% - MortRate

No problem at all with the geekology ! You are right, it's not the inverse, and reciprocal is probably right.

But verbiage aside, when you state what the mortality rate is, you are also providing the survivor rate. By definition, those that don't die 'survive'. Suggesting the board and the media hid this deliberately is asinine.

Who goes to a Football fanboard expecting to get reliable medical information about a current viral pandemic from the posters? An ex teacher? smh

j/c

Well over 206,000 dead and counting.

More deaths than our past five wars combined.

Now some of you can carry on with how low the death rate is.

It's hilarious to see how the left changes how they look at things. On one hand, they say that folks are responsible for finding their own information after saying they were tricked by Trump. As if anyone would rely on a politician for advice regarding health issues. Hypocrisy at its finest.

It's everyone elses job to do your homework for you?

Coronavirus vaccine trial participants report day-long exhaustion, fever and headaches — but say it’s worth it

-High fever, body aches, headaches and exhaustion are some of the symptoms participants in Moderna and Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine trials say they felt after receiving the shots.

-While the symptoms were uncomfortable, and at times intense, they often went away after a day, sometimes less.

-The phase three trials are a critical last step needed to get the vaccines cleared for distribution.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/coronavi...-headaches.html



Lefties better hurry with the Fear Mongering as time is running out for them.

Everybody wants a vaccine 40, we just don't want the cure to be drinking bleach and shoving a UV light up our asses. We'll wait for the science and safety testing... But please, please, please, DO take the vaccine Trump is pushing through without taking all safety steps. Let us know how it works out too.

Says the trump supporter who is so afraid of Biden he’ll actually eat trump’s poop.