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I have money on Trump crying victim and accusing the media of bias and treating him unfairly. I have money on Trump simply shouting what he wants to say with his mic muted.


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has learned the Commission on Presidential Debates plans to issue strict new rules in the coming days that include cutting off a candidate's microphone if they violate the rules, per an informed source.

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They could have done the smart thing and give the candidates time for rebuttals. 2 minutes on a broad topic isn't enough, especially if you have to address your opponent as well as talk about your own strategy.

But, no, that would have made too much sense. No wonder it was chaos last night.


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Trump would just waste the extra time on word salad.

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Honestly - I am worried that this might be even worse.

Even if you cut the person’s mic, their opponent can still hear them, because they are very close. Which is likely to be very distracting.

On the other hand — the TV broadcast won’t pick it up any longer.

Depending on how the video is framed — it might look like the person speaking loses their train of thought, or can’t put a sentence together.

But it’s sort of hard to speak coherently when somebody is shouting insults at you from 10 feet away...

They have to be very careful with how they do the audio/video if they ever cut a mic — so that it is clear what is going on on stage.

SIDENOTE: I am always reminded of the Howard Dean ***Yeeaaahhh!-gate” I had a friend who was at that speech. He was about 4 rows back (probably 50 rows of people there). He told me it was so loud he didn’t hear a single word Dean said, the scream included.

However, the mic picked up Dean’s voice, cancelled out the background — and so it sounded like Dean was a raving lunatic. Killed his presidential dreams.

It’s something worth being very careful about.


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Also, remember in the democratic debates, NBC used their microphone cutting power to selectively mute some candidates while allowing others to interrupt at will.

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Biden says at debate he doesn't support Green New Deal, but his campaign website calls it 'crucial framework'

'The Green New Deal is not my plan,' Biden said at the presidential debate

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-presidential-debate-green-new-deal-crucial-framework

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After last nights debate, it baffles me that people think more government is the solution to our problems.


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Yet, there’s a whole lot of people that do.


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Government is our problem.

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Looks like you’re putting the Trump altar away to bring out the Regan altar you worshipped at during the Obama years.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Trump is our problem.


Fixed it for ya! thumbsup

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After watching the debacle... opps I mean debate naughtydevil I am even more convinced that both parties suck and neither side deserves to win.


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It's sad. For decades I have been voting for who I want to lose the least.

Unfortunately, it is a binary system that we live in. We really need a 3rd party. A sane and reasonable party. Not the fringe Green party or Libertarian party


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After watching the debacle... opps I mean debate naughtydevil I am even more convinced that both parties suck and neither side deserves to win.


If neither side wins, Pelosi takes over until we have a new election. I’ll take the unruly debates.


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Ok ...Stand back and stand by. Lol


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I don't care who you're voting for, this was hilarious!




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No, it wasn’t.

Trump was an embarrassment the entire night.


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Yep. Just Trump lol.


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Yes.


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Ok ...Stand back and stand by. Lol


And now he says he doesn't know who they are?


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I’m really struggling to understand how anybody, whether politicians or citizens, think Chris Wallace was the problem.

The only person I could imagine having any sort of control on Tuesday night is some mean old teacher with a ruler in her hand.

Other than that, the debate was going off the rains regardless of who was moderating.


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I’m really struggling to understand how anybody, whether politicians or citizens, think Chris Wallace was the problem.

The only person I could imagine having any sort of control on Tuesday night is some mean old teacher with a ruler in her hand.

Other than that, the debate was going off the rains regardless of who was moderating.


He was not forceful enough. JMO however. but he needed to admonish Trump more.... But, had he done so, Trump would have complained...

He was in a no win situation. But if you take that role on you had better be prepared....I don't think he was


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Oh, he complained. He called it "two on one" because he doesn't know how to shut up for two minutes. You really thought he didn't complain?

Trump continues jabbing at moderator Wallace in debate's wake

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/30/donald-trump-chris-wallace-post-debate-423655


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
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I’m really struggling to understand how anybody, whether politicians or citizens, think Chris Wallace was the problem.

The only person I could imagine having any sort of control on Tuesday night is some mean old teacher with a ruler in her hand.

Other than that, the debate was going off the rains regardless of who was moderating.


He was not forceful enough. JMO however. but he needed to admonish Trump more.... But, had he done so, Trump would have complained...

He was in a no win situation. But if you take that role on you had better be prepared....I don't think he was


It was also a no-win situation because Trump and Wallace had beefed previously. Granted, Trump has beefed with just about everyone in the media.

I think the right moderator going forward is going to be someone that's relatively unknown, but that has a strong knowledge of the issues, doesn't take ish from anyone, and has demonstatrated ability to separate themselves from their own views when moderating.

Also, I'm not sure how I felt about the questions that Wallace admitted he curated himself. Some felt like weak softball questions that were just chum to get the candidates riled up. Some felt tilted to one candidate over another. I wonder if there is another method to coming up with a thoughtful list of questions that allow viewers to gain further insight into the candidates.


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No matter the questions the results will be the same. When someone's main goal is to sow chaos rather than actually debate topics, nothing will stop that accept turning his microphone off when it's the other persons turn.

And even then he'll find something to do to create chaos. When it's impossible for you to win a debate because you don't know how, chaos is the only weapon you have left. And that's what we saw. Distractions, lies and chaos.


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I think the right moderator going forward is going to be someone that's relatively unknown, but that has a strong knowledge of the issues, doesn't take ish from anyone...



And that person would be Brianna Keilar....and yes, I know, CNN.


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I think the right moderator going forward is going to be someone that's relatively unknown, but that has a strong knowledge of the issues, doesn't take ish from anyone...



And that person would be Brianna Keilar....and yes, I know, CNN.


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After this, he may be willing to take on ANYBODY! We know he would never do anything fake.



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Okay, back to the actual debate.

Trump keeps talking about California doing forest management to prevent wildfires. Because you know, according to him that's what's causing it.

Well let's look at the actual facts here. The state of California only owns 3% of California's forests. 39% of their forest are owned by private property owners.

58% of California's forest are owned by the federal government. Maybe Trump should get started with that forest management he keeps talking about.


California, U.S. Forest Service Establish Shared Long-Term Strategy to Manage Forests and Rangelands

Published: Aug 13, 2020

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/08/13/califo...and-rangelands/


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What a child.

Will this be the first cycle where we only get one debate because this dog whistle bigot doesn't get his way?

If we only have one debate because of him, how many conservatives on this board will just shrug and vote for him anyway?

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Someone needs to inform Pokapornstar that he doesn't get to establish the rules. It's odd how he claims everyone else cheats but if he can't cheat during a debate he finds something wrong with that.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Someone needs to inform Pokapornstar that he doesn't get to establish the rules. It's odd how he claims everyone else cheats but if he can't cheat during a debate he finds something wrong with that.


Actually, every aspect of the rules for the debates are negotiated and agreed upon between the dems and the repubs beforehand.

I would believe any changes would need to be agreed upon if they can be changed at all.

The second debate is supposed to be in front of a live audience of undecided voters. the third debate will be the same format as the first. Probably just go out there and let trump act like the ass he did the other night-and he didn't win.


Frank Luntz, republican pollster had a group of undecided voters-the following were terms that the group characterized Biden
Better than expected
Compassion
Coherent
Politician
Nice Guy Lacking Vison

The following were terms that the group used to describe trump
Unhinged
Arrogant
Forceful
a Bully
Chaotic
A Crackhead
Un-American

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Frank Luntz, republican pollster had a group of undecided voters-the following were terms that the group characterized Biden
Better than expected
Compassion
Coherent
Politician
Nice Guy Lacking Vison

The following were terms that the group used to describe trump
Unhinged
Arrogant
Forceful
a Bully
Chaotic
A Crackhead
Un-American

Is that legit or just some fuzzy media story to make Trump haters feel good?


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Ben Garrison has a good description of Biden...


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No link.......so who knows.

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Weird Al made a song about the debate.

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Frank Luntz, republican pollster had a group of undecided voters-the following were terms that the group characterized Biden
Better than expected
Compassion
Coherent
Politician
Nice Guy Lacking Vison

The following were terms that the group used to describe trump
Unhinged
Arrogant
Forceful
a Bully
Chaotic
A Crackhead
Un-American

Is that legit or just some fuzzy media story to make Trump haters feel good?


Here you go

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/30/undecided-voters-trump-biden-debate-423545

Undecided voters call Trump ‘unhinged’ and ‘un-American’ — but are unswayed by debate
“You just saw 90 minutes. How can you still be undecided?” veteran GOP pollster Frank Luntz told a virtual focus group.



By LAURA BARRÓN-LÓPEZ

09/30/2020 03:23 AM EDT


After watching the first presidential debate Tuesday night, undecided voters from battleground states across the country still had plenty they wanted to know about coronavirus, racial injustice and what each candidate would do to unite the country.

Out of 15 undecided voters in a virtual focus group conducted by veteran Republican pollster Frank Luntz, four said they were supporting Democratic nominee Joe Biden after watching the debate and two backed President Donald Trump. The rest remained on the fence. There were nine men and six women and they hailed from Arizona, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Nevada.



“You just saw 90 minutes. How can you still be undecided?” an incredulous Luntz asked. “Please explain that to me?”




Despite their indecisiveness, most described Trump in a negative light, including one of the participants who was leaning toward voting for the president. The voters characterized Trump as “unhinged,” “arrogant,” “forceful," a “bully,” “chaotic” and “un-American.”

When asked to describe Biden they offered: “better than expected,” “politician,” “compassion,” “coherent,” and a “nice guy lacking vision.”

Across a one-hour session in which Luntz brought in a handful of reporters from national news outlets, including POLITICO, to pose questions to the group, the following is what stood out.

What pushed some over the edge
The roughly four voters who ended the night in Biden’s corner were stunned by Trump’s performance. Ruthie, a voter from Pennsylvania, described it as trying to “win an argument with a crackhead.”


Joe from Arizona said he entered the night leaning Biden and after the debate decided to vote for the former vice president. Trump didn’t defend his record on the unrest in American cities and protests, he said. “He inflames a lot of anger in this country,” said Joe. And on the pandemic, he said, Trump “couldn’t defend his record on slow-walking” the government’s response.


Luke from Wisconsin was one of the two participants to say he’s now voting for Trump. “Trump is annoying, he’s unpresidential,” Luke said, but on the economy and “law and order” he trusts Trump. Luke said he doesn’t want to be “afraid” for his community, pointing to riots in Kenosha, Wis., after the police shooting of Jacob Blake, which left Blake paralyzed.

Why some remained undecided
The majority of the focus group remained undecided after the lengthy, chaotic debate. Many put a greater onus on Biden to deliver strong answers than Trump — excusing the president’s behavior as “typical” or just Trump being Trump.

Travis of Arizona said the few times Biden tried to land a jab on Trump “he whiffed.”





Joe in North Carolina appeared to be leaning toward Biden after the debate but still wasn’t sure — Trump and Republicans’ constant attacks on the Democratic nominee as “senile” or “sleepy” had gotten to him.

Biden won the debate, Joe said, because “there was no significant gaffe.”




“I was surprised that he did as well as he did,” he continued. “Some part of the narrative that Trump has spun so far that Biden may not be up to this task, it certainly did plant a seed of doubt in my mind.” Still, he said, while Biden's performance was strong, it wasn't strong enough to sway him to make a decision.

Kimberly from Ohio, the only Black person in the focus group, wanted to hear more about race relations and expressed frustration that little was said about Congress and the Trump administration's inability to reach a deal on stimulus relief. “You still have millions of Americans out there who can't even feed their families,” she said.


A noticeable number of the undecideds were struck by Biden’s defiance when pressed by Trump about the progressive, left flank of the Democratic Party. And many said they wanted to hear more about efforts to unify the country from both candidates — a handful ended the evening thinking Biden would fashion a more diverse, bipartisan administration.

“My biggest concern about Biden going in and just throughout the whole primary was the radical left, so to speak, taking over the party,” said Joe of Arizona. But Biden’s answer convinced him otherwise. Now, he said, he planned to vote for the Democrat.

Biden’s declaration that he is the Democratic Party and the one who is deciding the platform, stood out to Jeremy from Arizona. That negated Trump’s attack that the Democrat would be a tool of progressive lawmakers like liberal star Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) Even so, Jeremy said he remained undecided.

“I do not want another AOC, but I also don't want someone all the way to the right either,” said Jeremy. “What I want to see in the next two debates is why should Joe be elected? Not why I shouldn't vote for Trump. Trump's not presidential — we've gotten that.”

Similarly, Mike from Iowa said Biden’s “best answer” of the night came when he talked about unity. Mike wanted more information about who Biden would select for his Cabinet and if it would be bipartisan rather than dominated by progressive picks.

“Just tell us whose it's going to be. That would help, that would go a long way,” he said.

White supremacy
When asked by POLITICO about Trump’s refusal to condemn white supremacists, roughly five of the 15 said it was a moment that stood out to them across an otherwise hard-to-follow debate.


“That was definitely his worst moment,” said Travis of Arizona, who remained undecided after the debate. “That's like the easiest thing that he could do.”

Nick of Arizona, also picked it as the “worst moment” of the night for Trump.

“I don’t really think he’s some big racist, but I guess I don’t really know,” he said.





Earlier in the focus group, Nick had mentioned Trump’s refusal to condemn white supremacists as an example of Trump’s behavior that “makes it so hard for you to able to tell anyone that you’re voting for him.”

Kimberly from Ohio also raised her hand when asked whether that part of the night stood out.

At separate points throughout the discussion, she described Biden as someone who was “more approachable” and with an “open ear to talk about race relations without becoming offensive.”

But ultimately, she remained undecided.

“Being a Black woman, they did not say how they were going to improve race relations with Black people,” she said. “I'm undecided. And from my community, it's a lot of us who are undecided because it's darned if we do and darned if we don't, what do we get? We don't get anything from this system.”

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A debate is supposed to be held with decorum and respect.

Debate policy and vision for the future.

You should not have to told how to act.

At this point I see no reason for debate. People already know who they will vote for.

trump is incapable of having a legitimate debate. He will continue to do as he has done.

So what is the point of having a "debate"?

When you look at the reaction on a international level. It is an embarrassment for America and out democracy.

Nothing of importance can come from anything further.

Just go vote.

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