I assume your post refers to this statement, made by me:
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If people can't see the existential threat this virus poses to the entire populace, we deserve said virus to eliminate those who live their lives in defiance to science and common sense.
I will live, die, and stand by that statement.
This has nothing to do with political ideology... which is the only reason I posted this thing in the first place.
This is Science.
CoronaVirus doesn't care what political ideology Versatile Dog supports/promotes. CoronaVirus doesn't care what political ideology Clemdawg supports/promotes.
The Science doesn't support how deadly the political ideology claims it is.
But using homes for the elderly as infectious disease wards supports the political ideology.
Marking non-Covid deaths as Covid deaths supports the political ideology
Misreporting of lab data on positive test rates that make the positivity rate drastically higher than it actually is supports the political ideology.
Andrew Cuomo thinks of himself as GD hero. His actions have killed way more people than some jackass yelling "My Face, My Choice".
Mostly I think I'm just tired of seeing what really are serious problems at their core being unduly exaggerated which leads to a bad premise, and then being expected to go along with 'solutions' based on those bad premises.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
Just thinking about this while the talking heads ramble on MSNBC. Trump may have exposed Biden and Pence due to close contact. In the case that Trump is incapacitated, Pence would be sworn in temporarily. But he could easily be sick too which would put Pelosi in the big chair. Another scenario could play out if Trump or Biden were to be too sick or even pass before the election, what would happen then loss by default to the survivor? Or if both were to be out who would become POTUS? Would there be an election and if so how would it work?
I'm not wishing for Trump to die even if I do hate him, but these are serious questions, especially with the state of this country right now.
THAT sir is a very interesting scenario...
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
As I recall, during the 1960 election, Nixon was briefly hospitalized right before the 1st debate. Kennedy decided to stop campaigning publicly while Nixon was incapacitated.
It would be a gesture for Biden to do the same. It’s not like there is a lot of important in-person campaigning happening anyway.
Can’t say I’m surprised though. When you operate like nothing is happening during an active pandemic....I mean come on.
I wonder how many people back in the day didn’t think they get the Black Plague ....only to get it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Clem used a figure of speech in frustration at people who fly in the face of science and say that CV-19 is no big deal and that there is no need to wear a mask. I don't think he wished death on anyone, I think he expressed a frustration ... in essence it was like - people are going to die from Covid, and he hopes the people who are belligerent and more likely to spread it to others are the ones to go (unsaid - because the rest of us would be safer).
Given the way someone latched on to that one sentence - like a dog with a bone - I am sure Clem, who is one of the most thoughtful and rational posters on the board, might reconsider the wording .... but I think for most posters, we aren't going to take that comment out of context and suggest Clem is wishing other humans to die.
It's not hard.
Last edited by mgh888; 10/02/2007:09 AM.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
There's probably some people in the world who would wish this on Trump. There's probably as many Trump supporters convinced that Hilary was Satan and in charge or a worldwide child abuse cabal and the personification of evil, that they's wish the same on her/Bill ... maybe they feel that way about Biden. We've seen multiple posts about the "Evil" Liberals recently. And let's face it if you are facing Evil and you are a righteous Christian, eliminating them and destroying Evil would be justified right?
But I digress ... I don't like attempts to be humorous like this, because it is seized upon and will be used as a prop to say that anyone that supports Biden must want Trump dead - a bit like anyone who supports BLM must be a Marxist who supports violence and looting.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
There's probably some people in the world who would wish this on Trump. There's probably as many Trump supporters convinced that Hilary was Satan and in charge or a worldwide child abuse cabal and the personification of evil, that they's wish the same on her/Bill ... maybe they feel that way about Biden. We've seen multiple posts about the "Evil" Liberals recently. And let's face it if you are facing Evil and you are a righteous Christian, eliminating them and destroying Evil would be justified right?
But I digress ... I don't like attempts to be humorous like this, because it is seized upon and will be used as a prop to say that anyone that supports Biden must want Trump dead - a bit like anyone who supports BLM must be a Marxist who supports violence and looting.
TL;DR:
I’m shocked that it’s possible to find bad takes on twitter.
For some clarification Saw numbers that were from the CDC that about 10 to 11 percent of cases for people in their 70's are fatal. Men twice as likely than women.
I know with my dad in his early 80's he still tested positive at 2 weeks and wasn't ok until about 17 or 18 days
Not only shocked that you can find bad takes on Twitter - but have you seen how Fox News will find random comments from Twitter and then post them as "News" and label them as indicative of views of the "Left".
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I’m more concerned about trumps eating habits during quarantine.
It’s fast food all the way. I’m dead ass serious, melania needs to keep her foot up his ass about that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
With the whole 'rona thing, there's a line between taking it seriously and giving in to hysteria. Folks can fall on either side of that line. Some of the posts on here sound like they're trying to make the virus out to be some sort of boogyman that's 'gonna get ya'.
The opposite end of the spectrum is personified by Trump (who unfortunately is our president). IMO, neither extreme ends up being particularly helpful (albeit, for different reasons).
I'm going to be perfectly blunt. I'm glad he got it, and I hope it knocks him on his butt for a little bit. I do not wish that he dies or is even permanently impaired, like we've seen is possible with this virus. My wish is that him contracting it serves as a smack upside the head that can jar loose some common sense on the topic.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
It'll scare people for a short amount of time. After that wears off, they're going to yo-yo back in the other direction. We're seeing this already.
I don't get it. What is so hard? Take precautions, wear a mask, socially distance while shopping or being outside. Stick with your inner circle of friends who you know are all taking the same level of precautions you are .... That's not treating this like the boogeyman. That's treating the situation with respect.
I really don't see or hear too many people suggesting we need to do more than that.
First hand I have seen plenty of people - friends too - who say this is a hoax, it's no big deal, don't wear a mask because it's big brother trying to control you, it will ALL go away as soon as the election is over, The numbers are all inflated, the numbers are all UNDER-inflated by at least 5 times than what's been reported, (These two statements over time by the same people ...) .... It's all about getting Trump out of office, "they" wanted to crash Trump's economy, this is an attack by China, It's no worse than seasonal Flu (still hear that).
If you are talking about the media? I mean why would the media talk about a pandemic that's killed over 200,000 people and yet the entire country isn't on board with sensible measures to help limit the spread? The media on both sides sensationalize whatever the shiny object of the day is... I don't like it so I ignore it/them for the most part.
Last edited by mgh888; 10/02/2008:25 AM.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Also, Portland said that he could not wait for people in his dad's generation to die because they were ruining the world.
My opinion is that y'all are some nasty folks. Wishing death on people is beyond lame.
If I was with you I’d hand you a tissue for your tears. See, I really do care. Addendum: I’d not hand you a tissue directly because of social distancing and contact precautions. I’d slide an unopened box of tissues across a table to you. See, I really really care.
Last edited by PortlandDawg; 10/02/2008:46 AM. Reason: COVID precautions added
It's not hard. What you're saying is perfectly reasonable.
I've run into a few people that are still stuck in what we were doing a couple months ago. Still sheltering, and maintaining a stockpile.
More than that, I've seen people that were being ultra-conservative for a while... until fatigue set in. They got so sick of it that they basically just said, "F it", and have swung all the way over to being careless. My assumption, is that if they had simply taken common sense measures (like you're stating above) and been careful/respectful instead of fearful, they wouldn't have given up and started being careless.
"I'll take your word at face value. I have never met you but I assume you have a face..lol"
Yep, The WH was trying to keep this all a secret. If it was not for the reporting of Jennifer Jacobs of Bloomberg News, we may never have learned of this.
Reporting now that Trump has mild symptoms. Last night he had no symptoms.
Not surprising -- very few people (especially elderly people) stay truly asymptomatic.
Covid-19 symptoms also come on very slowly, it's not like the flu. For people who end up being hospitalized, the average delay is 8-10 days after symptoms first appear.
I hope he is not in that category and is healthy again soon.
On Monday, Trump Updated the Nation on Virus Strategy. By Friday, He Tested Positive. President Trump interacted with scores of staff members, donors and supporters this week. Early Friday morning, it was still unclear how many other aides who had come into close contact with him had tested positive.
By Annie Karni and Maggie Haberman Oct. 2, 2020Updated 9:52 a.m. ET
WASHINGTON — On Monday, President Trump updated the nation on the administration’s coronavirus testing strategy and announced a plan to distribute 150 million rapid tests. By early Friday morning, he had the virus himself.
On the days in between, Mr. Trump interacted with scores of staff members, donors and supporters. Even the woman he has nominated to the Supreme Court, Judge Amy Coney Barrett, has been at the White House this week.
The president held preparation sessions with staff members for his debate Tuesday night with former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., in the tight quarters of the West Wing, where officials who are tested regularly have relied on negative results as an excuse to forgo masks and other safety precautions.
He attended a closed-door fund-raiser at a private home of a wealthy supporter in Minneapolis, and he appeared before thousands of people at a rally in Duluth, Minn., where most of the crowd did not wear masks. He also shared a stage with Mr. Biden.
It is not yet clear when and how Mr. Trump contracted the virus. The president and the first lady said they had both tested positive hours after one of his closest aides, Hope Hicks, also tested positive. Ms. Hicks received the diagnosis after she began experiencing symptoms on Wednesday while attending the president’s rally in Minnesota. Mr. Trump kept his appearance there to about 45 minutes, roughly half the length of one of his typical rally speeches.
Early Friday morning, it was still unclear how many other aides who had come into close contact with Mr. Trump had tested positive, but the White House said its medical unit was conducting contact tracing. Top advisers to the president described themselves as in a state of shock and said they expected a number of additional cases among people in Mr. Trump’s orbit. White House officials had hoped to keep the news about Ms. Hicks from becoming public, to no avail.
Mr. Trump, for his part, has been fatalistic when talking with associates about whether he or others would get sick, describing the possibility as a roll of the dice. His week included a series of events in which he played down the virus in front of crowds large and small, all without wearing a mask.
On Monday in the Rose Garden, Mr. Trump boasted about the progress he said that his administration had made toward increasing testing capacity.
“I say, and I’ll say it all the time: We’re rounding the corner,” Mr. Trump said. He was joined by Vice President Mike Pence; Alex M. Azar II, the health secretary; Betsy DeVos, the education secretary; and the chief executive of Abbott Laboratories, Robert Ford.
On Tuesday Mr. Trump was accompanied by all of his adult children and senior members of his White House and campaign staff on Air Force One en route to Cleveland for the first presidential debate. None of them wore masks as they were seen boarding and deplaning. Bill Stepien, the president’s campaign manager, was seen on board without a mask and then was spotted getting into a staff van with Ms. Hicks.
Onstage in Cleveland, Mr. Trump mocked Mr. Biden, the Democratic presidential nominee, for his habit of wearing a mask in public.
“I think masks are OK,” Mr. Trump said, adding: “I put a mask on when I think I need it. Tonight, as an example, everybody’s had a test and you’ve had social distancing and all of the things that you have to, but I wear masks when needed.”
The president then addressed Mr. Biden, saying: “I don’t wear a mask like him. Every time you see him, he’s got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from them and he shows up with the biggest mask I’ve ever seen.”
Few in the president’s circle appeared to be taking any precautions on the Cleveland trip. Those on Air Force One Tuesday evening included Jason Miller, the campaign strategist; Stephen Miller, the White House policy adviser; Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff; Robert C. O’Brien, the national security adviser who tested positive for the virus in July; and Representative Jim Jordan, Republican of Ohio. All were seen on the plane without masks.
On the flight home from the debate, Jared Kushner, the president’s senior adviser and son-in-law, could be seen in a staff cabin, speaking animatedly to his colleagues with no mask covering his face. Upon landing at Joint Base Andrews in the middle of a heavy rainstorm, Lara Trump, the president’s daughter-in-law, and Kimberly Guilfoyle, a senior campaign official and the girlfriend of Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, huddled to share an umbrella as they crossed the tarmac, talking and laughing. Ms. Guilfoyle tested positive for the virus over the summer.
In contrast, the East Wing has taken a different approach to safety. The first lady, Melania Trump, who posted a photograph of herself wearing a mask on Twitter before her husband reluctantly and halfheartedly endorsed the practice, has made the majority of her staff members work from home, with aides entering the building on a rotating basis. When she has traveled with the president, she has done so without members of her own advance staff, to avoid more exposure to the virus.
After the debate, the president’s eldest daughter, Ivanka Trump, posted a rare photograph of herself with her stepmother, along with Tiffany Trump and Lara Trump, huddled together backstage, wearing masks. But the family members removed their masks in the debate hall shortly before the event began.
On Wednesday evening, a small coterie of advisers spoke with one another about Ms. Hicks’s symptoms as they flew home aboard Air Force One. Ms. Hicks was isolated in a separate cabin. She exited from the back of the plane, as opposed to the front.
By Thursday, it was clear that something unusual was happening at the White House, aides said. Several staff members who have avoided masks were suddenly wearing them.
On Thursday evening, before his own diagnosis was made public, Mr. Trump sounded raspy on a call with Iowa voters and in an interview later with Sean Hannity on Fox News. Some aides chalked it up to a busy week of campaigning.
With the whole 'rona thing, there's a line between taking it seriously and giving in to hysteria. Folks can fall on either side of that line. Some of the posts on here sound like they're trying to make the virus out to be some sort of boogyman that's 'gonna get ya'.
The opposite end of the spectrum is personified by Trump (who unfortunately is our president). IMO, neither extreme ends up being particularly helpful (albeit, for different reasons).
I'm going to be perfectly blunt. I'm glad he got it, and I hope it knocks him on his butt for a little bit. I do not wish that he dies or is even permanently impaired, like we've seen is possible with this virus. My wish is that him contracting it serves as a smack upside the head that can jar loose some common sense on the topic.
And why is this.... It's not like we have a President in conflict with the CDC and everyone else about the seriousness of the COVID-19 virus. He created the political divide, he created the left/right battle. The line was created by the President himself, and his approach to view the virus in political terms, not scientific terms.
I don't wish ill on anyone including the President, but his actions made this thing worse, and this outcome is unfortunate. But he himself with the best advise as possible chose to ignore the dangers.
Now he has to realistically look at a 5 to 10 percent chance of non-survival. That is not good and will just add to the turmoil even if his case is relatively mild.
Boris Johnson was hospitalized for over 2 weeks, before recovering. This could get worse before it gets better.
More chaos... just what we did not need.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!…. That did not age well.
This should be interesting. Some will hope they die, as we have already seen. Others, will use it as a political justification. Some will hope they survive. A few will see it for what is...........which is about a 98-99 percent level of survival.
I see this post for what it is. Trying to continue downplaying a virus that has killed over 206,000 Americans. You accuse others of hoping people die while you downplay those who have already died and continue to die. All the while trying to portray yourself as somehow superior to those you oppose. Good job!
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Good luck moving forward. Because, I am going to kick all y'all asses.
That sounds like a threat. And I've told your mouthy ass to bring it more than once, so shut up.
He isn't kicking anyone's ass. He's nothing like this fake persona he portrays in person. It's all an act. He isn't as big or as tough as he claims he is. It's nothing more than a temper tantrum.
No wonder he likes Pocapornstar.
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Here's the stupidity involved in a certain posters response to you.
People are dying every day. Hundreds and sometimes breaking 1000 people a day are dying. That's just a fact. All you did was say that since people are dying, you feel it should be those who are against taking the measures needed to try and avoid it. That since people are dying anyway, you would prefer it be those spreading the myth that this isn't serious and making fun of those who are doing the right thing.
It isn't complicated. So it begs to question, is he purposefully trying to portray your comments in a false light or is he too dense to comprehend what was posted? It has to be one of those two options.
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Clem used a figure of speech in frustration at people who fly in the face of science and say that CV-19 is no big deal and that there is no need to wear a mask. I don't think he wished death on anyone, I think he expressed a frustration ... in essence it was like - people are going to die from Covid, and he hopes the people who are belligerent and more likely to spread it to others are the ones to go (unsaid - because the rest of us would be safer).
Given the way someone latched on to that one sentence - like a dog with a bone - I am sure Clem, who is one of the most thoughtful and rational posters on the board, might reconsider the wording .... but I think for most posters, we aren't going to take that comment out of context and suggest Clem is wishing other humans to die.
The University of Notre Dame President John I. Jenkins C.S.C. has tested positive for coronavirus. He attended last Saturday's White House ceremonies for Amy Coney Barrett's SCOTUS announcement.
"Utah Senator Mike Lee (R) just announced that he's tested coronavirus positive too." Sen. Lee, who attended Saturday's Rose Garden SCOTUS announcement (which was not socially distanced, few in masks), announces he has tested positive for the coronavirus.
I hate to see anyone contract Covid. It has killed well over 200,000 people in our nation and that number grows greatly every day. Some people do their best to try and minimize and downplay that for some crazy reason only they can explain. Yet as they do so, that number greatly increases with no actual vaccine available to prevent it.
I hope everyone who contracts it has little to no symptoms. Sadly that's just not the reality. People seem to try and pretend that just because you "survive" all is well. People who actually understand the virus understand that's just not so. Long term effects and complications that arise from the virus continue on in many people.
Trump is one of those in a very susceptible category with more than one factor at play. When you combine his age, weight and diet, it's a trifecta for complications. Yet to counter that, he is tested all the time. As such it was caught early. There are actual treatments that can help counter symptoms in hopes they will be lessened and we all know those will be used in an attempt to lessen his symptoms.
What I hope for is the best case scenario. Everyone knows what I think of the man. Everyone knows that I do not feel he's fit to be president. That doesn't change the fact that we're all human beings. I wish ill on no one.
Having said that, if he comes through with flying colors, I expect him to use that as ammunition in his fight against science. To even further advocate his followers to gather in numbers. To further spread the virus.
Hoping he does well has nothing to do with what I think his actions will be if my hope becomes the reality.
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