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This got more important with trumps health. I think Kamala is going to destroy Pence. This should pull Biden/Harris up in the polls.

Straight up, if she can’t wreck pence like Harrison did graham last night, Biden picked the wrong candidate.

Harrison destroyed Graham. Lindsey looked like a begging liar in the Trumpian whining mode.

Now this might be a debate I am willing to watch.

Pence straight up will not tackle any question that is tough ... bet the house on a lot of answers that have no relation to the question that is asked.

Kamala should ask him if they could have dinner together and talk shop...

i just hope they both act like adults, and that they talk policy

This will be a fear mongering christian incompetent suckup vs. a legal bulldog with that black female progressive (term used lightly) chip on her shoulder. If Kamala doesn't completely own this it will be a huge disappointment. AND before the GOPers start going "wHaT's HiS rElIgIoN gOt tO dO wItH iT?"... because that is his brand and what he is known for in the Trump era.

Hope she keeps her cool when Pence lies and insults ... she can be strong and aggressive, but don't come across like a Trump wanna be

She'll be ready. He will just parrot Trump's talking points. He has never had an original thought that I remember seeing. So it will be hard for him to catch her off guard, she's too smart for that.

I think we'll hear some policy from both of them.

It'll be also a lot of "representative republic" vs "Christian theocracy", too.

Can't win on merit so you need to make up a ridiculous fabrication to try to discredit.
Seriously, if you are going to do something like that, at least make it humorous.

This is what desperation looks like.

Soon we'll have another of George Soros controlling them both.

If only they understood the anti-antisemitism behind the Soros argument, though.

The George Soros thing is so freaking weird to me....

Michael Bloomberg is significantly richer, openly pumping tons of money into the election, and (though obviously this shouldn't matter) also Jewish.

Marc Cuban is similarly rich, openly pumping money into the election.

Why George Soros? Dude is 90 years old, give it a break.

They're stuck in rerun mode. Every Democrat since Bill Clinton was "Gonna' Take mah guns!" Hillary Clinton has needed to be locked up for years now even after the Trump administration investigated her after Trump became president and STILL couldn't get anything on her. They just keep repeating the same old tired BS year in and year out. Yet their followers keep believing them.

They won't move on from Soros until he's dead and buried. And even then it will take them a while.

Soros has been sticking it to republicans for a lot longer so he gets the conspiracy street cred from their base.

Also, Bloomberg has a major news outlet so nobody wants those problems.

I'm not as sure this will be a Pence beatdown. I mean, she was VERY disappointing during democrat nomination debates.

These are the same people who thought Tim Khaine was going to beat Pence down...

Prior to the 2016 election a lot of people who ended up voting for Trump were still a bit uncertain given his brash behaviors. After seeing Pence's cool, calm, colleccted demeanor in the face of Tim Kaines' jackassery, people felt better voting for Trump.

Pence's job is going to be pretty straight forward. All he has to do is start listing the administrations accomplishments. Past that I fully expect Harris to be dumb enough to play the "very fine people" card because they think that works. All Pence has to do is point out that is something debunked long ago and reference the dozens of times Trump has denounced white supremacy. This will provide the perfect pivot point for Pence to highlight all the work they've been doing with black Americans in juxtaposition to her record of locking them up. I'm sure it will be just as easy to watch him slowly gut her as it was when Tulsi did it to her face on this point.


The usual suspects here will of course be dismissive of all that. Be that as it may they can't hide the fact that Trump has been steadily gaining support among black Americans for a while now.

People don't vote for the vice president. At best they help you with a certain demographic or location.

It was only much later did they realize that the appearance of cool & calm demeanor was in fact an indication of spineless, emotionless puppet. 4 years on it should be interesting to see.

A demographic or location where people vote for them?

The vast majority of black Americans hate your leaders.

Yes, either and or. Like if they come from a swing state. LBJ helped Kennedy with the south. In the case of the Pence selection it was to solidify the evangelical/religious vote. I mean let's face it, Pocapornstar was going to be a tough sell to people who claim to vote on their principals.

Nahhhhh - those folks are the biggest hypocrites on the planet - bar none.

No, I think the left's "TrumPits" are at least as hypocritical. You know those people that blast out (trumpet) everything bad Trump does while performing the same behaviors while rationalizing that they have to punch first because they "know" he will. You know those people that like to titillate themselves by using sexually suggestive namecalling.

There are plenty of hypocrites on the right, too.

The left claiming the moral high ground because Trump did it first drives me bonkers. Wrong is wrong. Contrived political posturing is not a good excuse.

Look I want to support not-Trump. If that side is going to use the same tactics, I'd be supporting Trumpian behavior. If acting Trump-like, but at least not actually Trump, is good enough for you, there seems to be a disconnect somewhere. Sadly, our system doesn't provide a "side" (one with A legitimate chance of winning an election) that isn't actively driving (and being driven by) a mob mentality in its supporters.

A continual hyper-partisan, anything to win approach by both major political parties is how we ended up with this nut job as President in the first place.

But feel free to keep polarizing politics more. Entrenching the divide is sure to lead to better results
The growing divide provided such a great leader the last time. Things are setting up for nasty backlash no matter who wins the upcoming election.

When you see a bully staring you in the face, punch him in the mouth. Quit whining.

Fixed it for ya!

Fake pearl clutchers.

Tim Caine did make himself look foolish in the 2016 debates and that hurt him, no doubt. If Harris wants to win and make a statement, I think she's going to have to press Pence on policy-issues and actually make him account for some poor decisions the administration has made. Likewise, she will have to be able to provide satisfactory answers to questions about Supreme Court "packing" and other areas where Biden dropped the ball.

I expect Pence to be fairly bland, but safe. She needs to be assertive, but not overbearing. If she lets Pence get away with being non-committal, she's in big trouble.

What accounts for the vast majority is still less than it was 4 years ago. You can't get around the fact that he has been making gains. He only needs to pull an additional 5-7% from what the GOP usually gets in order to lock down the election. If the GOP doesn't blow its opportunity to retain such increase, it'll lock the White House down for years to come. Now does that shed a little light on why Dems have been courting the illegal immigrant vote?

based on what?

is your opinion gonna show up in the election? there's a good chance THIS election he actually gets less black support than Romney.

Yet he's turned suburban white women against him in droves.

If you wrote this 2 election cycles ago, it would still be true.

At this point I don't expect you to understand much less admit why people voted for Trump. You and the others have been completely tone def on the subject and its not worth the effort anymore.

Your comment holds even less water for the fact that every single one of you who are inclined to pull the lever for the Biden/Harris ticket fully expect for her to step in, and sooner rather than later. Even going by your old standard, Harris is a waste of a selection. She's from a state that can be counted to go blue no matter what, and she had virtually zero interest or support from black voters in the primaries.

I didn't understand the pick myself. And no, people don't think Harris is going to "step in sooner rather than later". She may be the candidate for the Democratic ticket in 2024 because Biden made it pretty clear he was a bridge to the next president. But running for president doesn't make her president.

You seem to be missing something in that all knowing view of yourself.

My candidates of choice for president were Mayor Pete and Amy Klobuchar in that order. Nothing about neither of those candidates scream far left liberal.

And let's look at your logic for a minute. Not only did Kamala do poorly with the black vote, she did poorly in the overall vote. So maybe you can explain why Biden selected her?

I know many think it was the "black woman card". But she does terrible in polling among blacks so I'm not sure what point that actually makes.

I'd argue that he's turned a significant portion of everyone other than his loyal base against him.

I think a large portion of that silent majority that voted for him over Hillary thought something along the lines of, "eh, why not. how bad can he be?". I don't see a lot of those people doing that again.

LMAO You might be suprised how many white woman support Trump.

Been there, done that. Have the broken metacarpals to prove it.

As I've matured, I've discovered hitting hardheaded individuals is counterproductive.

Bullies are used to getting punched. It's trying to help them that has a chance of changing their behavior.

Unfortunately, many bullies don't seem to understand the idea of trying to help someone and have a tendency to lash out.

Quit whining? More do what I say, not what I do from you? Color me surprised. One has to actually do something before they can quit it. Perhaps you should take your own advice. You certainly don't seem to have any intention of taking advice from anyone else.

Sadly, I find myself drawn to hopeless cases and allegedly impossible challenges. I'll try to resist yours again for awhile.

Most times don't know they're bullies, OR relish in it, or both.

Quoted for truth. Focused in the wrong direction, but true.