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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
trade Njoku for Myles Jack


Why would Jacksonville make that trade?

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- Sendejo needs to be benched. WTF was he thinking on the play where he gave up a TD?


You're going to have to narrow this down some.


Haha, I was thinking the same...."Which of the 3 are you talking about?"

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Love those Baldy breakdowns


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: CapCity Dawg
Originally Posted By: dawglover05
- Sendejo needs to be benched. WTF was he thinking on the play where he gave up a TD?


You're going to have to narrow this down some.


rofl

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Anyone have the PFF ratings for our safeties? I saw one for Harrison but I didn’t know the source.


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Anyone have the PFF ratings for our safeties? I saw one for Harrison but I didn’t know the source.
i saw Harrison was the top defender IIRC


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Tackles are tackles.
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If someone could also post linebacker grades as well as the safeties that would be much appreciated.


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Brown's PFF OL grades:


Wyatt Teller: 96.7.

Jack Conklin: 92.0.

JC Tretter: 73.3.

Chris Hubbard: 61.3.

Jedrick Wills Jr.: 60.4.

Joel Bitonio: 56.0.


Inside the numbers: Teller (94.9) and Conklin (92.3) led the linemen in run blocking grades. Bitonio had his worst grade of the season as a run blocker (51.2) and gave up two pressures. Tretter had the top pass-blocking grade (84.9), and Wills was third (80.0). Hubbard played four snaps.

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PFF TIGHT END Grades

Austin Hooper: 77.9.

Harrison Bryant: 75.7.

Stephen Carlson: 58.1.

Inside the numbers: Hooper had his highest offensive grade as a Brown, grading 71.3 in run-blocking but 43.9 in eight pass-blocking snaps. He was responsible for one quarterback hit. Carlson’s grade doesn’t reflect his special teams grade (79.6), where he had three tackles and recovered a blocked PAT.

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PFF WR Grades:

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Odell Beckham Jr.: 87.8.

Jarvis Landry: 80.4.

Donovan Peoples-Jones: 50.1.

Inside the numbers: Beckham had the team’s top receiving grade (77.8) and the top rushing grade (91.0). He picked up five first downs on receptions. Landry picked up four first downs on receptions. Peoples-Jones played 33 snaps and wasn’t targeted in the passing game, but earned a run-blocking grade of 78.9.

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PFF RB Grades:

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D’Ernest Johnson: 85.7.

Kareem Hunt: 81.8.

Andy Janovich: 81.1.

Nick Chubb: 77.3.

Dontrell Hilliard: 63.9.

Inside the numbers: Johnson earned the highest single-game grade of his career. He picked up five first downs and had 60 of his 95 rushing yards after contact. Hunt had 56 of his 71 yards after contact, picks up five first downs and avoided three tackles. Janovich graded 84.5 as a pass blocker and 76.4 as a run blocker.

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PFF QB grade:

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Baker Mayfield: 72.8.

Inside the numbers: Mayfield’s adjusted completion percentage was 76.0. He was 4 of 8 with three throwaways under pressure, and PFF graded him as being responsible for five of his nine pressures, including both sacks.

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If someone could also post linebacker grades as well as the safeties that would be much appreciated.


Here you go:

PFF Safety Grades:

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Ronnie Harrison: 90.1.

Andrew Sendejo: 57.3.

Karl Joseph: 37.5.

Inside the numbers: Harrison played 11 snaps on defense, with one quarterback pressure and one pass breakup. Sendejo had the top run defense grade (92.5) but graded 47.1 in coverage with a touchdown allowed. Joseph had a touchdown allowed and three missed tackles.



PFF Linebacker Grades:

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Malcolm Smith: 61.1.

Mack Wilson: 55.7.

B.J. Goodson: 53.2.

Sione Takitaki: 47.3.

Jacob Phillips: 39.9.

Inside the numbers: Smith had four tackles and gave up a touchdown in coverage. Wilson played 27 snaps and had one tackle. Phillips played 17 snaps and had one pass breakup.

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PFF DL Grades:

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Myles Garrett: 84.7.

Vincent Taylor: 73.7.

Olivier Vernon: 53.6.

Larry Ogunjobi: 49.3.

Joe Jackson: 45.5.

Sheldon Richardson: 42.5.

Porter Gustin: 42.3.

Jordan Elliott: 37.0.

Inside the numbers: Garrett had eight pressures and two sacks in 47 pass-rush snaps. Taylor played 27 total snaps and had the third-best grade for run defense (70.4) and pass rush (73.7). Vernon had two pressures, both hurries, and four tackles.



PFF CB Grades:

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Denzel Ward: 78.5.

Tavierre Thomas: 47.5.

Terrance Mitchell: 45.9.

M.J. Stewart: 51.7.

Inside the numbers: Ward had a 78.4 coverage grade, with one interception, one pass breakup and one touchdown allowed. Thomas had the team’s top tackling grade (82.6) and Mitchell led the defense with 10 total tackles but had a coverage grade of 43.6. Kevin Johnson did not have a defensive snap, but played four snaps on special teams.

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I agree with the Baker grade. I mentioned the sacks were his fault somewhere on here. The good thing is one was like a loss of a half yard and the other was something like two yards.

When I rewatch the game I will have to see what Bitonio was up to. I have a hard time believing he was that bad.

Very good grades for the TEs and WRs. Backs overall were very good.

Thanks for posting Vers.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Originally Posted By: Pdawg
If someone could also post linebacker grades as well as the safeties that would be much appreciated.


Here you go:

PFF Safety Grades:

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Ronnie Harrison: 90.1.

Andrew Sendejo: 57.3.

Karl Joseph: 37.5.

Inside the numbers: Harrison played 11 snaps on defense, with one quarterback pressure and one pass breakup. Sendejo had the top run defense grade (92.5) but graded 47.1 in coverage with a touchdown allowed. Joseph had a touchdown allowed and three missed tackles.



PFF Linebacker Grades:

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Malcolm Smith: 61.1.

Mack Wilson: 55.7.

B.J. Goodson: 53.2.

Sione Takitaki: 47.3.

Jacob Phillips: 39.9.

Inside the numbers: Smith had four tackles and gave up a touchdown in coverage. Wilson played 27 snaps and had one tackle. Phillips played 17 snaps and had one pass breakup.


Well the Harrison grade I saw on Twitter was right. I can’t believe Sendejo graded out as high as he did in the run game. I thought Phillips made a couple of plays in one drive where I noticed him


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The forced fumble probably helped Sendejo's grade. He did make some tackles. He just sucks in coverage.

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Yeah, he has been a real disappointment. He has been much better in his career. We really miss Delpit.


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Good stuff Vers...

I was curious to see why Kevin Johnson didn't play, I did see him on special teams (he was the one Savion Smith pushed back into DPJ on the punt return) Wonder if they are just limiting his snaps, to increase his health?

I remember Karl Joseph whiffing on Zeke, I believe prior to Zeke fumbling...I remember him later smacking their TE, but their TE still made the grab...I know Joseph got lucky in the Bengals game, as I saw him holding AJ Green in the end zone (non-call)

Seems in the first half the Cowboys were targeting Mitchell and Sendejo...seems a lot of balls went that direction. I won't discuss Sendejo, as its been stated before. Ronnie Harrison was so close to a pick

Man, I've been noticing our Dline being gassed in games prior. But yesterday was a new level. I'm sure a lot of that had to do with our lack of clock consuming in the second half...and Dallas was running a quick or quicker tempo. Gustin needs to work on his moves, when he tries to spin he gets his back caught and gets walled off way to easy....He also seemed to have a problem with traction on that field. Hopefully we Ogi back, as we lack any depth right now.

LB's are just bad...When we send them in for a blitz, they are walled off...When we drop them in coverage, they tend to be too far off...

Really surprised by Bitinio's grade...Good info, Hats off to OBJ and Wyatt Teller...both played incredibly strong.

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As usual, good, sound post.

I figured Mitchel's grade would be low. They went after him quite a bit and tried to avoid Ward.

Joseph has decent straight-line speed, but it has to be in a straight line. He is not fluid or agile from what I have seen.

It's really important to sub in new d-linemen all the time. Give Dallas credit for not allowing us to do so. I was actually okay w/that TO. Vernon has been injured and he was really gassed. They all were, but that was a tough deal for him.

I was surprised by Richardson's low grade. I thought he played pretty good yesterday.

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I was surprised by Richardson's low grade. I thought he played pretty good yesterday.


When I read PFF grades I remind myself that they had Hughes as our highest rated d lineman.


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As usual, good, sound post.

I figured Mitchel's grade would be low. They went after him quite a bit and tried to avoid Ward.

Joseph has decent straight-line speed, but it has to be in a straight line. He is not fluid or agile from what I have seen.

It's really important to sub in new d-linemen all the time. Give Dallas credit for not allowing us to do so. I was actually okay w/that TO. Vernon has been injured and he was really gassed. They all were, but that was a tough deal for him.

I was surprised by Richardson's low grade. I thought he played pretty good yesterday.


You nailed it, I don't think Vernon's conditioning is on par yet. He was routinely asking to be subbed out, not sure if our coaches denied it...I know a few times, the tempo was to quick to rotate off...Obviously a players skillset diminishes when they are exhausted. I think Shelden's grade dipped as he was worn out and nicked up later in the game. I thought he played well, his motor is pretty infectious. Wish Billings never opted out, we could really use him right about now.

Denzel played well, obviously his interception was memorable. I remember him coming off Gallup's block perfectly and cut off I believe Cooper before he could get a 1st down.

Our safety play has obviously been a liability, hoping it's not just a talent thing...And it's just the nuisances of system being installed initially. It's odd our FS and SS seem to switch duties at times (Not sure if that's how Woods plays them) I noticed it more in the Redskins game, Sendejo would move into a rover S spot near the box (When I think Karl Joseph's strength is there as the box S) Instead they had Karl more or less covering the deep half...then again, I' sure Woods job is to confuse the offense and looks of coverages. Delpit's injury is really stinging right now...Hoping these guys improve, or Redwine and or Harrison step over our starters and show something.



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There was one play, in the midst of the feverish Dallas comeback, where both Garrett and Vernon both asked out, but only Garret was subbed for.


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There was one play, in the midst of the feverish Dallas comeback, where both Garrett and Vernon both asked out, but only Garret was subbed for.


Good observation...I recall cameras coming back onto Vernon (I think the play afterwards) as he was trying to sub out, but I think Dak had Dallas up tempo at the line...and he had to play through it....We def. need Clayborne and Ogi back asap.

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It is a talent thing when it comes to the safeties. Joesph is nothing more than an in the box safety. He is not equipped to cover. Sendejo is old and unable to run with receivers. You’re right about losing Delpit. He would have made a huge difference. I hope Harrison gets more playing time. I don’t think he will be good in pass coverage but he has to be better than what we are putting out there now.


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Njoku > Hooper

** ducks **


Bryant > Njoku > Hooper

** dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge **

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Njoku > Hooper

** ducks **


Bryant > Njoku > Hooper

** dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge **


and juke


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** dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge **


LOL. Great reference.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog via PFF

Inside the numbers: Johnson ... 60 of his 95 rushing yards after contact. Hunt had 56 of his 71 yards after contact


Wow.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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Didn't he pull a hammy or something in the previous game? Have to wonder if he's going to be feeling that one for a while.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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We man handled a very talented team on both sides of the ball. We got down 14-7 and then we never looked back.

I hate our prevent defense. I saw a poster state DAK over the middle...over n over Well that was our prevent Defense that had the back sealed up and guys playing deep leaving the middle wide open so we can come up and tackle the WR in bounds and keep the clock running. Of course that is where DAK got all his stats. Can't believe he is up for Offensive player of the week...smh.

We got a lot of guys in that Dbackfield playing hard and over their heads as they are not that talented. Our DL is awesome although we are one DE short of being amazing.

Baker is playing well and note he is one of the few QBs out there that will throw the ball away without hesitation as he doesn't care about his stats. Sound ball control and many times our D is giving us a short field which we put it away for 6 almost always!

Baker has to drop that long ball as in "BOMB" high and far letting out WRs get under the ball. Instead he tries to throw that long rope. Sometimes spot on and many times off target. Mahomes, Brady, Brees, Rogers, Wilson all throw that high lofted long ball...Baker you got to join that crew!

Callahan is the best OL coach in the NFL. When the Cowboys were noted as the best OL in the NFL, Callahan was there. The OL unit is getting better with each game. Pay Callahan HC money and keep him here long term!!!

I like the play of our TEs Hoop and the rook doing rock solid in their blocking as well as dependable in the catching department and we are going to get Njoku back.

Defense Garrett is awesome and having an MVP season so far.
Got to keep building our D around him. ADD, ADD and add pieces and upgrade on guys. We need that other DE out there. Somebody with speed!

I like the way we are not turning the ball over and our D are ball hawks out there!

Our RBs did amazing only ho-hum guy is Hilliard. Johnson is a stud. He made some excellent moves inside the telephone booth...my goodness I forgot our young fans have no clue what a telephone booth is...lol laugh

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4. See my Browns win a Super Bowl even in a pandemic year!!

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Originally Posted By: Pdawg
Yeah, he has been a real disappointment. He has been much better in his career. We really miss Delpit.



We have known about Delpit being out from the beginning. We have also known Sendejo is a back-up player.

I am beginning to wonder about Greedy. You don't even hear about that guy anymore. Maybe I missed something but the last I remember is Stefanski said he was game to game. That was what, several games ago?


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I have a question. I have seen a few posts talking about being in a prevent defense. Has that been verified?

It's hard to see the alignment on TV, but it didn't look like a true Prevent defense to me. I think we were playing a soft zone, but that would make sense when you have such a large lead.




While radio guys said the secondary "was focused on keeping everything in front of them", I'm pretty sure I heard we had dialed up a few blitzes at the end of the game. Doesn't sound like full-on prevent to me.


It wasn't a prevent D. It was a outside zone designed to force Dallas to the middle of the field in an effort to keep clock running and force them to burn timeouts.


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Was suppose to go to the hospital ER but I said - to my wife after the game and text with my cardiologist, didn't say after Browns game as he would have yelled at me but just said will come there around 4pm. Ended up not going at all.


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EO...that pretty much nailed the review of the game.

We are watching a first time HC trying to teach his team and making adjustments in the teaching process along the way. In my opinion, we saw a very basic passing game against Dallas, perfecting the execution of each play, doing their best to play "error free" football.

IMO, first time Head Coaches and Offensive Coordinators can and do, make the mistake of focusing on "how much" of their offensive playbook they get installed...rather than focusing enough time on the goal of "perfecting" the execution of each play before adding more of the playbook.

I thought we saw the Browns dial it (the playbook) back a bit, focused more on getting the basic offensive playbook right against Dallas

THE RESULT...49 offensive points

Now the goal Stefanski has to be working the same magic on the defensive side of the ball. After 4 games, the Browns defense is giving up more points than the offense is scoring per game.

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Was suppose to go to the hospital ER but I said - to my wife after the game and text with my cardiologist, didn't say after Browns game as he would have yelled at me but just said will come there around 4pm. Ended up not going at all. Struggled yesterday but ok today as I dropped 9lbs of water. I holding out for.
1. My first Grand Child (around 2 weeks away)
2. My youngest sons wedding which was canceled till next September.
3. My wife begging me not to give up.
4. See my Browns win a Super Bowl even in a pandemic year!!

Go Browns!


EO...

I'm not sure what you might be dealing with on the medical side..that is my fault for not paying attention.

It sounds quiet serious to me and I want you to know that as one of our "old timers", you and your family will be in our thoughts and prayers.

GOOD LUCK...take care...mac




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tab - take care of yourself.

congratulations on the grandchild. that is awesome.

by the way - no cardiologist would have wanted a Browns fan to watch that 4th quarter.


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