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oooo, are we witnessing one of those crazy fall of a dictator/authoritarian events we see repeated throughout history?


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Biden Officially Under Investigation in Ukraine, According to Report



Biden Officially Under Investigation in Ukraine, According to Report
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Former Vice President Joe Biden is now a criminal suspect in Ukraine in a case involving his son Hunter and Burisma Holdings, a major Ukrainian natural gas producer, according to an OAN report




Biden, the Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee has been formally listed in a criminal case for the crime of firing Ukraine’s former Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin in exchange for dropping an investigation into his son Hunter, who was a board member at Burisma from 2014 to 2019.

“Shokin formally called for an investigation into his firing back in February of 2020, claiming the Ukrainian government at the time released Shokin of his post in exchange for one billion dollars in loan guarantees promised by Biden,” reports Chanel Rion of One America News Network. “But at the time Shokin called for this case back in February, the courts named one of the defendants as an ‘unnamed American,’ an individual widely understood to be Joe Biden, Obama’s Ukraine point man. But Biden was never formally named.”

“Now the courts have ruled it is improper to seal Biden’s name and that there is sufficient evidence to proceed with an investigation, the ruling cannot be appealed”, according to OAN




https://thejewishvoice.com/2020/07/biden...ding-to-report/

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Shortly we'll hear: "OAN". Or, 'bias'. Or all kinds of smatter, totally ignoring the facts of the matter.

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Shortly we'll hear: "OAN". Or, 'bias'. Or all kinds of smatter, totally ignoring the facts of the matter.


rofl You two are hilarious! Yes Breitbart TV is a suck source BUT WHO CARES! The truly laughable thing is that Trump is under multiple criminal investigations with actual legit investigators! If you think Rudy didn't grease a couple palms to makes this crap happen, you are even nuttier than I thought you were and that is a HIGH bar.

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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.

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The airline industry, for one, needs some cash to keep limping along a little while longer. Reducing routes and delaying work on planes is only saving them so much money.


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Well don't you know that conventions and gatherings in every town are back to normal? That motels and hotels are full, Disney didn't just lay off tens of thousands of workers and the airlines are back to normal?

Just ask Pocapornstar and his supporters.


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The airline industry, for one, needs some cash to keep limping along a little while longer. Reducing routes and delaying work on planes is only saving them so much money.


I can agree with this. But that's not what the stimulus talk is about.

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....hotels, restaurants, entertainment industry. Business travel is still way down.

Without fans at sporting events, local bar/restaurants/hotels are being crushed.

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I don't know the answer to this but how many people are out of work now as compared to February?


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I don't know the answer to this but how many people are out of work now as compared to February?


I don't know the answer to that either, but I can tell you that the economy has been fully open in my state (GA) for a while.

I go to the bars and restaurants on the regular and they are just as busy as they ever have been.

There are some differences like the stadium being closed. But I would guess most people don't work at the stadium.

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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


I lost two sources of income with no unemployment compensation and I’m still not back to those jobs yet, I may never get them back. How about you?


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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


I lost two sources of income with no unemployment compensation and I’m still not back to those jobs yet, I may never get them back. How about you?


Why does the government owe you compensation? Maybe you can get off your lazy liberal ass and go find work. Instead of expecting handouts.

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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


I lost two sources of income with no unemployment compensation and I’m still not back to those jobs yet, I may never get them back. How about you?


Why does the government owe you compensation? Maybe you can get off your lazy liberal ass and go find work. Instead of expecting handouts.


So I assume you’re ok and solvent. You didn’t loose anything like a business. Good for you. Many of us weren’t that lucky.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Why does the government owe you compensation? Maybe you can get off your lazy liberal ass and go find work. Instead of expecting handouts.


One of the key roles of government is to protect people from events beyond their control?

Republicans have no issues with bailing out rich companies that are suffering due to financial forces beyond their control?


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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


I lost two sources of income with no unemployment compensation and I’m still not back to those jobs yet, I may never get them back. How about you?


Why does the government owe you compensation? Maybe you can get off your lazy liberal ass and go find work. Instead of expecting handouts.


So I assume you’re ok and solvent. You didn’t loose anything like a business. Good for you. Some of us weren’t that lucky.



I am a business owner and my business is fine.

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1.1M requests per hour?!?...



They probably mean "GET/REQUEST" in HTTP parlance -- which is individual pings to the server asking for information (usually people loading a new webpage, or trying to load/reload a form that is hosted on the server).

I don't think they mean 1.1M individual ballot requests.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg

I am a business owner and my business is fine.


Well then - no need to do anything about the economy. Eve is doing fine.

Glad to hear (on a personal level) that your business is going well.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


11 million people are still out of work. That might have something to do with it.


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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


11 million people are still out of work. That might have something to do with it.


Who are these people and why are they out of work?

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg

Who are these people and why are they out of work?


Restaurant Spending is still down ~45% from previous years....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104362/coronavirus-restaurant-visitation-impact-us/

https://imgur.com/a/rsUD4QI

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


11 million people are still out of work. That might have something to do with it.


Who are these people and why are they out of work?


What exactly are you getting at? Do you want an 11-million row list or something? 'Rona has touched every single corner of our economy. When things were kicking off, people stopped spending. Any sector that required a customer to show up somewhere and be around other people to spend money has been decimated. Whenever that happens, people get laid off. It's not that hard to understand.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


11 million people are still out of work. That might have something to do with it.


Who are these people and why are they out of work?


Healthcare givers. Restaurant workers and owners. Service industry workers. Sport Stadium workers. Bus transportation and terminal workers. Airline workers and pilots. Airport security folks. I really could go on for hours. They’re all out of work because this administration has failed by playing down the virus. They are still downplaying the virus. They failed to get this under control and closed down too late and opened too early. Not nearly enough testing. And refusing to wear masks. Big fat trump..big fat failure.


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If you're out of work around here, it's because you don't want to work, or think you're too good for the job.

Sauder Woodworking - even accepting part time people.
Sauder Manufacturing.
Arrow Tru Line
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Miller Brothers Construction (highest paying - minimum of $50 grand first year)
Bil-Jax (grandpa's old company)
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So many more. Granted, most are manufacturing jobs.

Not a single one starts off less than $12.50 an hour. No experience needed Most offer pay raises after 30 days, as well as full benefits. Most, end of year one, you're at 15 to 16 an hour, and trust me, overtime is available. All you could want. (at most of them)

But, they all require passing a drug test, AND showing up for work. Allied even gives a bonus of $1 per hour for just showing up and working for 40 hours a week.

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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


11 million people are still out of work. That might have something to do with it.


Who are these people and why are they out of work?


Healthcare givers. Restaurant workers and owners. Service industry workers. Sport Stadium workers. Bus transportation and terminal workers. Airline workers and pilots. Airport security folks. I really could go on for hours. They’re all out of work because this administration has failed by playing down the virus. They are still downplaying the virus. They failed to get this under control and closed down too late and opened too early. Not nearly enough testing. And refusing to wear masks. Big fat trump..big fat failure.


You can't go on for hours. That is a really small segment of society.

Bars/Restaurants open here full blast and have been for months.

Stimulus checks are just a political game at this point. The country doesn't really need it. I expect it to end after the election.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


11 million people are still out of work. That might have something to do with it.


Who are these people and why are they out of work?


Healthcare givers. Restaurant workers and owners. Service industry workers. Sport Stadium workers. Bus transportation and terminal workers. Airline workers and pilots. Airport security folks. I really could go on for hours. They’re all out of work because this administration has failed by playing down the virus. They are still downplaying the virus. They failed to get this under control and closed down too late and opened too early. Not nearly enough testing. And refusing to wear masks. Big fat trump..big fat failure.


You can't go on for hours. That is a really small segment of society.

Bars/Restaurants open here full blast and have been for months.

Stimulus checks are just a political game at this point. The country doesn't really need it. I expect it to end after the election.


Many ARE out of work. Because their states shut down pretty much everything. Cause of covid. And then the people complaining say Trump should've shut the country down, and blame for not...yet turn around and say people can't work cause of the state shutdowns, and that's Trump's fault.

So, we have "blame trump for not shutting things down, killing the economy" or "trump killed the economy by shutting things down" Ad nauseum.

Trump gets blamed for everything and anything because, you know, he beat hillary. That's the bottom line.

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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


11 million people are still out of work. That might have something to do with it.


Who are these people and why are they out of work?


Healthcare givers. Restaurant workers and owners. Service industry workers. Sport Stadium workers. Bus transportation and terminal workers. Airline workers and pilots. Airport security folks. I really could go on for hours. They’re all out of work because this administration has failed by playing down the virus. They are still downplaying the virus. They failed to get this under control and closed down too late and opened too early. Not nearly enough testing. And refusing to wear masks. Big fat trump..big fat failure.


You can't go on for hours. That is a really small segment of society.

Bars/Restaurants open here full blast and have been for months.

Stimulus checks are just a political game at this point. The country doesn't really need it. I expect it to end after the election.


The food service and hospitality industry was the largest segment of society hit the hardest. And are the poorest.

I don’t need a stimulus check either and really it’s not just about that. I personally know dozens of people needing more hours at work and are scrambling to get work at multiple jobs now. But some people don’t have those worries and look down on those that do. Pffft trump supporters.


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Why does the economy need more stimulus? There aren't many places shutdown because of the virus.

This just seems like begging for the sake of begging.


11 million people are still out of work. That might have something to do with it.


Who are these people and why are they out of work?


Healthcare givers. Restaurant workers and owners. Service industry workers. Sport Stadium workers. Bus transportation and terminal workers. Airline workers and pilots. Airport security folks. I really could go on for hours. They’re all out of work because this administration has failed by playing down the virus. They are still downplaying the virus. They failed to get this under control and closed down too late and opened too early. Not nearly enough testing. And refusing to wear masks. Big fat trump..big fat failure.


You can't go on for hours. That is a really small segment of society.

Bars/Restaurants open here full blast and have been for months.

Stimulus checks are just a political game at this point. The country doesn't really need it. I expect it to end after the election.


Many ARE out of work. Because their states shut down pretty much everything. Cause of covid. And then the people complaining say Trump should've shut the country down, and blame for not...yet turn around and say people can't work cause of the state shutdowns, and that's Trump's fault.

So, we have "blame trump for not shutting things down, killing the economy" or "trump killed the economy by shutting things down" Ad nauseum.

Trump gets blamed for everything and anything because, you know, he beat hillary. That's the bottom line.


Ok. I will retract my statement. Instead I will say:

Georgia has had an open economy for months and we are fine.

We also have minimal covid.

All the haters who bashed our Govenor/State can go suck one.

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If you're out of work around here, it's because you don't want to work, or think you're too good for the job.

Sauder Woodworking - even accepting part time people.
Sauder Manufacturing.
Arrow Tru Line
Haas Door
Napoleon Lynx
Campbell Soup
Miller Brothers Construction (highest paying - minimum of $50 grand first year)
Bil-Jax (grandpa's old company)
Allied Molded


So many more. Granted, most are manufacturing jobs.

Not a single one starts off less than $12.50 an hour. No experience needed Most offer pay raises after 30 days, as well as full benefits. Most, end of year one, you're at 15 to 16 an hour, and trust me, overtime is available. All you could want. (at most of them)

But, they all require passing a drug test, AND showing up for work. Allied even gives a bonus of $1 per hour for just showing up and working for 40 hours a week.


I don't know about anyone else on this board but I couldn't get one of those jobs. I have no idea how to do a job like that. Why would they hire me?

I can say, hey, there is a shortage of doctor's (there is) anyone who needs a job can just call up a hospital and get hired (they can't). At least not with out 8 additional years of education.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg

We also have minimal covid.

All the haters who bashed our Govenor/State can go suck one.


Ugh... Georgia doesn't really look great on the Deaths/capita plot:

https://imgur.com/a/uCMX44H


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So if you can't see it, it doesn't exist? Is that the logic you're using right now?

https://www.bls.gov/news.Release/pdf/empsit.Pdf

Unemployment spiked up to about 15% around May. Since then, it's been trending back down. It's not hard to imagine (it shouldn't be, at least) that there is a significant portion of people that have been unemployed for a majority of that time. Certain areas have been hit very hard by 'rona, and recovery is slower. Those people that have been out of work will need relief. Additionally, this round of stimulus WOULD, in fact, help the airline industry continue to employ pilots, attendants, etc. I would hope you could imagine how people, right now, don't want to get into a cramped metal tube to breath in everyone's else's exhaled air.

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We also have minimal covid.

All the haters who bashed our Govenor/State can go suck one.


Ugh... Georgia doesn't really look great on the Deaths/capita plot:

https://imgur.com/a/uCMX44H


Maybe you can look at actual facts than bs.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

And if the rest of the country looks as good as us then Covid is an eye roller.

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